Quad sli with 7950gx2 or 2 ultras

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#1 UserFrenly_Noob
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Well I have about $1200 left over in scholarships and I can write off this as a part of a computer (then I will be able to spend it) since i am studying graphic design. It is also going to cost me the same. IV heard that a 7950 GX2 is the best card out.

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#2 musclesforcier
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The 7950 GX2 is not the best card anymore. Currently the 8800 Ultra is but it is way overpriced. I would suggest getting two 8800 GT or two HD 3870. MUCH MUCH better value.
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#3 dayaccus007
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Just get two 8800GT
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#4 crazytom49
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Nah its not, go for the ultras, theyre newer, use dx10 and are currently the fastest cards around. They also have more than enough ram to do all the graphic rendering you want, assuming the software you're using is optimised to use vram.

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#5 musclesforcier
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Nah its not, go for the ultras, theyre newer, use dx10 and are currently the fastest cards around. They also have more than enough ram to do all the graphic rendering you want, assuming the software you're using is optimised to use vram.

crazytom49

Are you actually suggesting two ultras...overkill and a waste of money. Stick with the 8800GT or MAYBE GTX, but not the Ultra. The GT is HALF the price of the Ultra and not much worse.

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#6 yoyo462001
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go for two Hd3870 is you want a powerful rig.
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#7 UserFrenly_Noob
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but remember people i need to use all of the money or i waste what i have left
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#8 musclesforcier
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You can't think of ANYTHING else you need besides an overpriced graphics card? Go buy a couple pallets of Keystone or something.
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#9 LouieV13
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You deserve a facepalm for considering the 7950gx2 over a 8800ULTRA
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#10 musclesforcier
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You could get FOUR HD 3870.
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#11 Swiftstrike5
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Quad SLI with 7950x2 is a waste if you can't run DX10...
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You can't think of ANYTHING else you need besides an overpriced graphics card? Go buy a couple pallets of Keystone or something.musclesforcier

well yeah thats all my pc is missing

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#13 Gog
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A single 8800Ultra is almost twice as fast as a 7950gx2. a SLi config doesn't even come close to twice the perfromance of a single card.
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#14 musclesforcier
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[QUOTE="musclesforcier"]You can't think of ANYTHING else you need besides an overpriced graphics card? Go buy a couple pallets of Keystone or something.UserFrenly_Noob

well yeah thats all my pc is missing

Okay, but I'm saying there isn't ANYTHING besides computer parts that you want/need?

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#15 UserFrenly_Noob
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Thanks guys I will be getting the 2 ultras next week. Sorry if i sounded like a noob.
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#16 UserFrenly_Noob
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[QUOTE="UserFrenly_Noob"]

[QUOTE="musclesforcier"]You can't think of ANYTHING else you need besides an overpriced graphics card? Go buy a couple pallets of Keystone or something.musclesforcier

well yeah thats all my pc is missing

Okay, but I'm saying there isn't ANYTHING besides computer parts that you want/need?

i have to use it for school so this is pretty much all i could find.
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#17 musclesforcier
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Thanks guys I will be getting the 2 ultras next week. Sorry if i sounded like a noob.UserFrenly_Noob

What kind of PSU do you have. Actually what are all your specs just curious.

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#18 Thinker_145
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Just be careful.The Ultra SLI requires a beast of a PSU.
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#19 onuruca
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just get sli 8800 GT
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#20 Flame_Co
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Post specs man, just about any CPU out there will be bottlnecked by an Ultra, let alone two!
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#21 omino
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and as far as the quad setups go...ATI and NVIDIA are slacking with drivers for dual setups just like most game companies slacking with optimizing for dual setups and everyone is running ahead talking about quad setups???? I think that the graphics companies are giddy with being able to steer us all around like this.:D
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#22 bluebusiness
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Dude a Quadro FX5600 is for rendering, professional editting and all. Btw by school do you mean university? It sounds like you are in middleschool and so therefore you would only need a 6800 if you wnna please your teacher for mindmapping or something haha
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#23 UserFrenly_Noob
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[QUOTE="UserFrenly_Noob"]Thanks guys I will be getting the 2 ultras next week. Sorry if i sounded like a noob.musclesforcier

What kind of PSU do you have. Actually what are all your specs just curious.

i have a antec 1kw psu

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#24 UserFrenly_Noob
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Dude a Quadro FX5600 is for rendering, professional editting and all. Btw by school do you mean university? It sounds like you are in middleschool and so therefore you would only need a 6800 if you wnna please your teacher for mindmapping or something hahabluebusiness

im in university thats when people usually have scholarships

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#25 adam0926
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Well I have about $1200 left over in scholarships and I can write off this as a part of a computer (then I will be able to spend it) since i am studying graphic design. It is also going to cost me the same. IV heard that a 7950 GX2 is the best card out.

UserFrenly_Noob

where have you been for the last year the 7950gx2 is no longer eve considered a high end card.

You should get two 8800GT cards or wait for the new 8800GTS cards to be released over the next few weeks

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#26 codezer0
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Part of the reason that the 7950GX2's never got to be as fast as they could be is the WHQL process for Microsoft driver signing. As part of the whole WHQL signing standards and stuff, one of the caveats is that the driver can't allow the cards to "render ahead" beyond so many frames in Direct3D games. Normally, the four GPU's in a GX2 quad-SLI would have way exceeded that limit. Thus NVIDIA had to dial it back down to allow their drivers to be "kosher" with Microsoft. This limitation doesn't apply with OpenGL drivers though, so all the biggest increases were seen with OpenGL games, like kotor, quake, and the like. FEAR saw at least a 3x increase over a single-GPU in Quad-SLI, when it worked. The 8800 Ultra is the fastest thing out there, but as others have said, way overpriced. IF you can hold out for a new one, the revised 8800GTS (w/ 512MB vRAM and G92 core) would likely be a lot cheaper than either and a fair chunk faster in gaming. But if you are studying graphic design... I think you're going to need a FireGL or Quadro card, which both would be pretty lousy gaming-wise.
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#27 karasill
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4 3870's would be better then getting 2 8800 Ultras.... :|
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#28 karasill
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and as far as the quad setups go...ATI and NVIDIA are slacking with drivers for dual setups just like most game companies slacking with optimizing for dual setups and everyone is running ahead talking about quad setups???? I think that the graphics companies are giddy with being able to steer us all around like this.:Domino
ATI is doing really well with Crossifre. Much better then Nvidia with a SLI setup. You usually see a 60% - 80% performance improvment with Crossfire as opposed to 30%-40% performance improvment with SLI.
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#29 codezer0
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4 3870's would be better then getting 2 8800 Ultras.... :|karasill
And who has a motherboard, the physical space, and the kind of power supply such a setup would require?
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#30 karasill
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[QUOTE="karasill"]4 3870's would be better then getting 2 8800 Ultras.... :|codezer0
And who has a motherboard, the physical space, and the kind of power supply such a setup would require?

Ummm, motherboards that support quad crossifre are already out, because I myself have one.... :roll: If he's going with 2 8800 Ultras, then he has the power supply. The 3870's only suck up 105 watts each under full load. That would equate to 420 watts for all four cards. Not to mention getting 4 3870's is cheaper then buying 2 8800 Ultras. My mid tower case can hold 4 3870's..... :|
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#31 spam-Robot
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Hey , what specs do you currently have?

Processor?

Motherboard?

You obviously have a 680i or something if you are Sli.

Ram?

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[QUOTE="karasill"]Ummm, motherboards that support quad crossifre are already out, because I myself have one.... :roll: If he's going with 2 8800 Ultras, then he has the power supply. The 3870's only suck up 105 watts each under full load. That would equate to 420 watts for all four cards. Not to mention getting 4 3870's is cheaper then buying 2 8800 Ultras. My mid tower case can hold 4 3870's..... :|codezer0
Bull **** **** and you know it. There are only two motherboards out there with four (physical) PCI-E x16 slots. One of them is the Asus 680a motherboard for the QuadFX platform. The other is a Gigabyte 790FX motherboard, and that one does not have the room for four 3870s. Quit **** lying, you ****

What's bull? That you can't accept 4 3870's is the better buy? That they don't eat as much power as 2 8800 Ultras? That they're cheaper then 2 8800 Ultras? Wow, just wow. My MSI motherboard based on the 790FX chipset says otherwise about only 2 motherboards being out that support Quad Crossifre, but hey what do I know. :roll:
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#35 codezer0
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It's bull because I just proved with link that there is no motherboard out there with the slots and ROOM to accept four 3870s. I wasn't talking about performance. And what good is bragging about the performance of four GPU's together if you can't physically fit them on anything? Four 3850s would fit no problem on that motherboard. But there is NO WAY you're going to be fitting four 3870s (with their dual-slot coolers) on the board. Two of those PCI-E slots would be obscured by the fan to cool the first two. Tell me again how four of these are going to fit here. :roll:
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#36 codezer0
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Also, I've seen you around the boards. You seem to get angry really easily. Just face it, you're the one who's full of it. There are motherboards that support quad Crossfire, they're not widespread and mainstream as of yet, but they are out. And please disprove my other points. But you can't, go do us a favor and leave the boards. People like you annoy me, you must thrive on conflict or something. Sad really.karasill
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It's bull because I just proved with link that there is no motherboard out there with the slots and ROOMto accept four 3870s. I wasn't talking about performance. And what good is bragging about the performance of four GPU's together if you can't physically fit them on anything? Four 3850s would fit no problem on that motherboard. But there is NO WAY you're going to be fitting four 3870s (with their dual-slot coolers) on the board. Two of those PCI-E slots would be obscured by the fan to cool the first two. Tell me again how four of these are going to fit here. :roll:codezer0
You could use the motherboard I'm using genius :roll: It looks exactly like this: http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10024004727
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[QUOTE="karasill"] Also, I've seen you around the boards. You seem to get angry really easily. Just face it, you're the one who's full of it. There are motherboards that support quad Crossfire, they're not widespread and mainstream as of yet, but they are out. And please disprove my other points. But you can't, go do us a favor and leave the boards. People like you annoy me, you must thrive on conflict or something. Sad really.codezer0
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You could use the motherboard I'm using genius :roll: It looks exactly like this: http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10024004727karasill
How's GPU #4 (on that very last slot) going to get cooled? Its exhaust is going to be plugged up by the very case it's sitting in. Unless you're using a full-tower case, the slot that would be the exhaust for that fourth GPU is going to be covered up by the very case it's in. So unless there happens to be a manufacturer I don't know about making HD 38*0's with waterblocks on them, I stand by my statement that you aren't going to have a supporting system that could make sticking four HD 3870 GPU's in a single motherboard feasible.
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#40 karasill
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[QUOTE="karasill"]You could use the motherboard I'm using genius :roll: It looks exactly like this: http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10024004727codezer0
How's GPU #4 (on that very last slot) going to get cooled? Its exhaust is going to be plugged up by the very case it's sitting in. Unless you're using a full-tower case, the slot that would be the exhaust for that fourth GPU is going to be covered up by the very case it's in. So unless there happens to be a manufacturer I don't know about making HD 38*0's with waterblocks on them, I stand by my statement that you aren't going to have a supporting system that could make sticking four HD 3870 GPU's in a single motherboard feasible.

You just disproved your own point. Getting a full tower.... :|Some full towers are as small as a big mid tower. I just proved to you that you can have 4 3870's in quad crossfire. You are owned, sorry... You can stand by your statement and spin it all you like but I proved you wrong. Deal with it.
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#41 TrooperManaic
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the 1gig 8800GTS g92 chip comes out this month

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#42 Coughs
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He has money to waste, Why not just get 4 ultra's? :)
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#43 codezer0
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You just disproved your own point. Getting a full tower.... :|Some full towers are as small as a big mid tower. I just proved to you that you can have 4 3870's in quad crossfire. You are owned, sorry... You can stand by your statement and spin it all you like but I proved you wrong. Deal with it.karasill
Even then, not many full-tower cases that I have seen and been in (and out) of would have that extra slot needed so that GPU#4 could stay cool. In all likeliness, unless the user would have a waterblock to fit on their HD 3870's, that last one in particular is going to burn the hell up and potentially take out the adjacent one next to it.
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#44 Mr_NoName111
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You are owned, sorry... You can stand by your statement and spin it all you like but I proved you wrong. Deal with it.karasill
... What are you,7 years old?
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#45 karasill
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[QUOTE="karasill"]You just disproved your own point. Getting a full tower.... :|Some full towers are as small as a big mid tower. I just proved to you that you can have 4 3870's in quad crossfire. You are owned, sorry... You can stand by your statement and spin it all you like but I proved you wrong. Deal with it.codezer0
Even then, not many full-tower cases that I have seen and been in (and out) of would have that extra slot needed so that GPU#4 could stay cool. In all likeliness, unless the user would have a waterblock to fit on their HD 3870's, that last one in particular is going to burn the hell up and potentially take out the adjacent one next to it.

My MID tower can hold 4 3870's. Granted the fourth one won't get cooled well, but a Full tower can sure as hell handle 4 3870's with some room to spare.
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#46 karasill
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[QUOTE="karasill"]You are owned, sorry... You can stand by your statement and spin it all you like but I proved you wrong. Deal with it.Mr_NoName111
... What are you,7 years old?

No, go to SW's and debate for a few months. You pick up nasty habits. :P

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#47 banedonoes
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He has money to waste, Why not just get 4 ultra's? :)Coughs

agree

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#48 FrankZappa17
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get 2 BFG OC2 8800 GTX