Rate THIS computer out of 10 for gaming, please

Okay, so the other day I posted the specs for a computer I might buy, and the general consensus was that the Processor bottlenecked it.
With that in mind, I have come up with a new rig that I may buy, so if you could rate it out of 10 for gaming and comment on it, it would be appreciated. Thanks.

Processor (CPU)

Intel® CoreTM2 Duo E7200 (2 X 2.53GHz) 1066Hz FSB/2MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)

4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x2GB)

Motherboard

ASUS® P5K SE: DDR2, SATAII, PCI-e x16, 2 PCI, 3 x PCI-e x1

Operating System

Genuine Windows VistaTM Home Premium 64-bit Edition + SP1, CD (£59)

USB Options

8 x USB 2.0 PORTS (6 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk

250GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk

NONE

3rd Hard Disk

NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive

20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

2nd CD/DVD Drive

NONE

Graphics Card

512MB GEFORCE 9800GT PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

2nd Graphics Card

NONE

Sound Card

ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Modem

NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND

Network Facilities

ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

Floppy Disk Drive

NONE

Memory Card Reader

INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc)

Case

Stylish Silver/Black Trident case + 2 front USB

Power Supply & Case Cooling

450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£22)

Processor Cooling

SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£15)

Firewire & Video Editing

NONE

TV Card

NONE

Monitor

NONE

2nd Monitor

NONE

DVI Cable

NONE

Keyboard & Mouse

Logitech® Deluxe 660 Cordless Keyboard & Optical Mouse(Black) (£16)

Mouse

NONE

Speakers

NONE

Printer

NONE

Surge Protection

NONE

Webcam & VoIP

NONE

Media Center Kit

NONE

Anti-Virus

NONE

Office Software

NONE

External Hard Drive

NONE

Warranty

1 Year Return-to-Base incl 1st Month Free Collect & Return

Delivery

STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time

Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 11 working days

Quantity

1

8/10. Everything will run well.

5/10?? You sound like an arrogant yuppie dude.

5/10 good rig.btw what was the processor that bottlnecked it before?yoyo462001

It was an:

AMD PHENOM X3 8750 (2.4GHz) 3 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2+)

Why only a 5/10 might I ask?

8/10 it'll be fine

Just a suggestion, don't get a 250gb HDD, go for 500gb and up. Games are getting really big and you're gonna want the space.

8/10 it'll be fine

Just a suggestion, don't get a 250gb HDD, go for 500gb and up. Games are getting really big and you're gonna want the space.

simardbrad

Well I'll probably upgrade my HDD at a later date :)

So, would this computer be able to run something like Crysis well do you think?

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]5/10 good rig.btw what was the processor that bottlnecked it before?LUK3isH3RE

It was an:

AMD PHENOM X3 8750 (2.4GHz) 3 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2+)

Why only a 5/10 might I ask?

[QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]5/10 good rig.btw what was the processor that bottlnecked it before?yoyo462001

It was an:

AMD PHENOM X3 8750 (2.4GHz) 3 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2+)

Why only a 5/10 might I ask?

Ah okay. So you're comparing mine to say 2 x 8800 GTX and 8 GB RAM, lol?

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]5/10 good rig.btw what was the processor that bottlnecked it before?LUK3isH3RE

It was an:

AMD PHENOM X3 8750 (2.4GHz) 3 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2+)

Why only a 5/10 might I ask?

Ah okay. So you're comparing mine to say 2 x 8800 GTX and 8 GB RAM, lol?

Another PCspecialist customer, Im not gonna rate it, but if you up your budget a tiny bit you can great an amazing deal with that site :-)

For power/proformance and a nice price tag go for the high spec range on the site

Pick a Core 2 duo CPU, A Asus P5Q Deluxe and a lovely ATI 4870 512mb for around £700

Serrious the site is great :-) Just know what to select :-)

Ok with a budget of £746

You can have

# CPU: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (2 X 3.00GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

# RAM: 4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz (2x2GB)

# Motherboard: ASUS® P5Q DELUXE

# OS: Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit Edition

# HDD: 250GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

# Graphics card: 512MB RADEON HD 4870 PCI Express + DVI

# PSU: 450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (If you bare with me ive emailed them for the make of the PSU)

# CPU cooler: SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (You most likely wont need this)

# Disk drive : 20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

See what happens when you click the right things :-)

On those CLI and crossfire configurations your paying loads for the motherboard, thats what i found anyway. And if you want to cut the cost on this, down scale your graphics cards, but im telling you. This is a preety good setup, NOT UBER LEET GAMER, but preety good with room for an extra ATI card and any other additions further down the line...Unless your talking the i7 cpu bla bla bla bla

I cant believe none of you caught the absolute TRASH PSU that he listed. Its 450 watts which is pushing it to begin with coupled with the fact that its a dual rail which means the already low amps are even lower because they are split.

I cant even fathom how the site allowed you to configure that computer using that PSU. I personally wouldnt even run that on a name brand 450 watt single rail much less a no name, dual rail 450.

Oh and 2/10 simply because the PSU would pack up and leave the first time you hard loaded it.

true...a quad rail PSU would do the trick right...600w

You'll have to help me out Alter-Echo cause im stumped when it comes to PSU and motherboard specs

true...a quad rail PSU would do the trick right...600w

You'll have to help me out Alter-Echo cause im stumped when it comes to PSU and motherboard specs

Joker1232003

You actually want a high amp single rail PSU over any other choice. Multi rail PSUs are 99% of the time nothing more than a single rail PSU that has had its 12v and 5v rail chopped up into multiple legs. What you end up with is an amperage rating of 15amps on any of the rails instead of 60 amps had it remained a single rail system.

They do this to disperse load and allow dynamic voltage shifting but in the end its no more efficient than a single rail and a ton less reliable when using high demand components.

To put it in perspective my single rail PC power & cooling unit has a massive 80amps on its voltage rails.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]5/10 good rig.btw what was the processor that bottlnecked it before?LUK3isH3RE

It was an:

AMD PHENOM X3 8750 (2.4GHz) 3 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2+)

Why only a 5/10 might I ask?

its an accurate score score when 10 is the best possible rig while 1 being a really bad one.

i mean would u really rate this 8 and a tri gtx 280 with dual QX9550 a 10 when in terms of power there much farther part so a 5 is defintly a good score considering how many computers there r that beat it. hell it doesnt even have dual graphics card.

8/10 it'll be fine

Just a suggestion, don't get a 250gb HDD, go for 500gb and up. Games are getting really big and you're gonna want the space.

simardbrad

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

hongkingkong

Agree'ed

[QUOTE="Joker1232003"]

true...a quad rail PSU would do the trick right...600w

You'll have to help me out Alter-Echo cause im stumped when it comes to PSU and motherboard specs

Alter_Echo

You actually want a high amp single rail PSU over any other choice. Multi rail PSUs are 99% of the time nothing more than a single rail PSU that has had its 12v and 5v rail chopped up into multiple legs. What you end up with is an amperage rating of 15amps on any of the rails instead of 60 amps had it remained a single rail system.

They do this to disperse load and allow dynamic voltage shifting but in the end its no more efficient than a single rail and a ton less reliable when using high demand components.

To put it in perspective my single rail PC power & cooling unit has a massive 80amps on its voltage rails.

Thank you for educating me :-), Serrious not being sarcastic. Thank You

I cant believe none of you caught the absolute TRASH PSU that he listed. Its 450 watts which is pushing it to begin with coupled with the fact that its a dual rail which means the already low amps are even lower because they are split.

I cant even fathom how the site allowed you to configure that computer using that PSU. I personally wouldnt even run that on a name brand 450 watt single rail much less a no name, dual rail 450.

Oh and 2/10 simply because the PSU would pack up and leave the first time you hard loaded it.

Alter_Echo

You do realize that PC would probably never use more than 300w right?

But you need to do a little reading on the single vs multi rail thing. Here's Johnny Guru's take on it.

And these big single rail PSU's don't meet ATX spec, and are a fire hazard.

its a good pc but u cld use a different psu

something like 600-700 W of a good manufacturer

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

hongkingkong

Do I really need a better processor? I mean, I'm on quite a tight budget here, and I've heard that the E7200 is fine so please only advise me to get a better processor if it's going to make my experience with the computer miserable.
As for the GPU, I've always been a Nvidia guy.

To address what's been said about my PSU, I actually had a lower wattage PSU at first, and the site told me that it may not be good enough. It even gave me a pretty much exact Wattage as to what the PC might use up, and according to that the 450 W PSU is fine.

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

LUK3isH3RE

Do I really need a better processor? I mean, I'm on quite a tight budget here, and I've heard that the E7200 is fine so please only advise me to get a better processor if it's going to make my experience with the computer miserable.
As for the GPU, I've always been a Nvidia guy.

To address what's been said about my PSU, I actually had a lower wattage PSU at first, and the site told me that it may not be good enough. It even gave me a pretty much exact Wattage as to what the PC might use up, and according to that the 450 W PSU is fine.

FYI, I was always an Nvidia guy too. ATI drivers sucked, and the numbers were never as good as Nvidia. However, the machine I am building now will have an ATI HD4850 because nearly everyone on and off this site has advised me that this generation belongs to ATI. Since I've been out of the game for a while, I am taking their word for it!

i rate rigs compared to the best out there on the market, hence the 5...lol id rate mine 3/10yoyo462001

You know how REDUNDANT that is? Comparing every PC that you come up with with the best in the market?

That's like saying that a Nissan GTR is a terrible car because it's slower than a Bugatti Veyron. Apples and oranges. One costs $30,000, the other $1,000,000.

See why your way of thinking defies logic? What you are doing is commiting a fallacy. Look that word up if you don't know it.

Moving on.

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

LUK3isH3RE

Do I really need a better processor? I mean, I'm on quite a tight budget here, and I've heard that the E7200 is fine so please only advise me to get a better processor if it's going to make my experience with the computer miserable.
As for the GPU, I've always been a Nvidia guy.

To address what's been said about my PSU, I actually had a lower wattage PSU at first, and the site told me that it may not be good enough. It even gave me a pretty much exact Wattage as to what the PC might use up, and according to that the 450 W PSU is fine.

Hey, the E7200 is fine, yes fine. Also, the 8800gt or 9800gt is fine as well. You don't need a 4870. What type of games are you trying to play? If the only game you are going to play is Crysis, then by all means geta 4870, If not, save your cash and get an 8800gt, 9800gt or 3870. They will run any game out now perfectly fine.

y a 3870 when he can save A LIL N GO FOR A HD 4850Neo_revolution7

Well, he said he's on a tight budget and since a 3870 can be had for under $100 I would say go with a 3870. Anyways, what game can't perform decent with a 3870?

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]i rate rigs compared to the best out there on the market, hence the 5...lol id rate mine 3/10drucom

You know how REDUNDANT that is? Comparing every PC that you come up with with the best in the market?

That's like saying that a Nissan GTR is a terrible car because it's slower than a Bugatti Veyron. Apples and oranges. One costs $30,000, the other $1,000,000.

See why your way of thinking defies logic? What you are doing is commiting a fallacy. Look that word up if you don't know it.

Moving on.

Bulls Eye.

[QUOTE="drucom"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]i rate rigs compared to the best out there on the market, hence the 5...lol id rate mine 3/10f-a-d-3

You know how REDUNDANT that is? Comparing every PC that you come up with with the best in the market?

That's like saying that a Nissan GTR is a terrible car because it's slower than a Bugatti Veyron. Apples and oranges. One costs $30,000, the other $1,000,000.

See why your way of thinking defies logic? What you are doing is commiting a fallacy. Look that word up if you don't know it.

Moving on.

Bulls Eye.

I don't see how that is "redundant"?, but oh well.

I disagree with you two and agree with Mr. Yoyo there(maybe a 6 or 7). While on some level you are correct, where do you draw the line. I saw a laptop at a yard sale with a P1 266MHz CPU, 96MB RAM, a whopping 3GB HD, and of course some crappy Intel GPU.

Now they only wanted $5 for it, LOL. SO from your logic, that would be a 8 or 9 out of 10 right? See how that don't make much sense.

Now if you were asked to rate a "BUDGET" rig then you could give your adjusted score. But the OP asked for people to score this as a gaming rig, nothing more nothing less.

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

[QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

comstrikeiscool

Do I really need a better processor? I mean, I'm on quite a tight budget here, and I've heard that the E7200 is fine so please only advise me to get a better processor if it's going to make my experience with the computer miserable.
As for the GPU, I've always been a Nvidia guy.

To address what's been said about my PSU, I actually had a lower wattage PSU at first, and the site told me that it may not be good enough. It even gave me a pretty much exact Wattage as to what the PC might use up, and according to that the 450 W PSU is fine.

Hey, the E7200 is fine, yes fine. Also, the 8800gt or 9800gt is fine as well. You don't need a 4870. What type of games are you trying to play? If the only game you are going to play is Crysis, then by all means geta 4870, If not, save your cash and get an 8800gt, 9800gt or 3870. They will run any game out now perfectly fine.

Crysis won't be the only thing I play. I'm more interested in older games such as the Battlefields, CS:S and The Sims 2 to be honest, as well as some of the more innovative stuff such as Spore. I will be wanting to play Crysis however, and I want to get decent performance from it. Would that be possible with my current setup?

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

drucom

Is this directed towards me? Where did I say there is no such thing as a budget rig? Did the OP ask you to rate his budget rig or his gaming rig? And he never even gave a price, for all you know he got ripped off, and paid double for it.

Did you even read what I wrote? We are not talking about selling a PC for $1000 or a PC from 2004. The OP asked people to rate his rig. Not based on budget, but as a gaming rig.

Then you come in with a Computer to car analogy then talk about apples to apple, ok.

If you rate the OP's rig a 7 or above, how are you going to rate PC's that are just a little better to WAY better? It is not a bad rig, better than mine, but people rate these thing all over the place.

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"][QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

CPU needs to be better. e8400

GPU could be an ATI 4870

LUK3isH3RE

Do I really need a better processor? I mean, I'm on quite a tight budget here, and I've heard that the E7200 is fine so please only advise me to get a better processor if it's going to make my experience with the computer miserable.
As for the GPU, I've always been a Nvidia guy.

To address what's been said about my PSU, I actually had a lower wattage PSU at first, and the site told me that it may not be good enough. It even gave me a pretty much exact Wattage as to what the PC might use up, and according to that the 450 W PSU is fine.

Hey, the E7200 is fine, yes fine. Also, the 8800gt or 9800gt is fine as well. You don't need a 4870. What type of games are you trying to play? If the only game you are going to play is Crysis, then by all means geta 4870, If not, save your cash and get an 8800gt, 9800gt or 3870. They will run any game out now perfectly fine.

Crysis won't be the only thing I play. I'm more interested in older games such as the Battlefields, CS:S and The Sims 2 to be honest, as well as some of the more innovative stuff such as Spore. I will be wanting to play Crysis however, and I want to get decent performance from it. Would that be possible with my current setup?

Your current setup will be able to play Crysis on high. All those other games you listed will easily be played on your setup.

[QUOTE="drucom"]

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

opamando

Is this directed towards me? Where did I say there is no such thing as a budget rig? Did the OP ask you to rate his budget rig or his gaming rig? And he never even gave a price, for all you know he got ripped off, and paid double for it.

Did you even read what I wrote? We are not talking about selling a PC for $1000 or a PC from 2004. The OP asked people to rate his rig. Not based on budget, but as a gaming rig.

Then you come in with a Computer to car analogy then talk about apples to apple, ok.

If you rate the OP's rig a 7 or above, how are you going to rate PC's that are just a little better to WAY better? It is not a bad rig, better than mine, but people rate these thing all over the place.

Will you stop the petty arguing please? It's not helpful in the least.
I'm paying £500 - £600 for the rig, so I'm not being ripped of by the way.

[QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="drucom"]

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

LUK3isH3RE

Is this directed towards me? Where did I say there is no such thing as a budget rig? Did the OP ask you to rate his budget rig or his gaming rig? And he never even gave a price, for all you know he got ripped off, and paid double for it.

Did you even read what I wrote? We are not talking about selling a PC for $1000 or a PC from 2004. The OP asked people to rate his rig. Not based on budget, but as a gaming rig.

Then you come in with a Computer to car analogy then talk about apples to apple, ok.

If you rate the OP's rig a 7 or above, how are you going to rate PC's that are just a little better to WAY better? It is not a bad rig, better than mine, but people rate these thing all over the place.

Will you stop the petty arguing please? It's not helpful in the least.
I'm paying £500 - £600 for the rig, so I'm not being ripped of by the way.

This is not petty arguing. I am having a conversation/discussion, so just ignore it if it bothers you. I never said you were getting ripped, but without telling how much, how am I supposed to know, read your mind?

What would help you, people rating you rig, ok, that's really helpfull:roll:

Oh, and there is a STICKY for just this sorta thread.

[QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"][QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="drucom"]

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

opamando

Is this directed towards me? Where did I say there is no such thing as a budget rig? Did the OP ask you to rate his budget rig or his gaming rig? And he never even gave a price, for all you know he got ripped off, and paid double for it.

Did you even read what I wrote? We are not talking about selling a PC for $1000 or a PC from 2004. The OP asked people to rate his rig. Not based on budget, but as a gaming rig.

Then you come in with a Computer to car analogy then talk about apples to apple, ok.

If you rate the OP's rig a 7 or above, how are you going to rate PC's that are just a little better to WAY better? It is not a bad rig, better than mine, but people rate these thing all over the place.

Will you stop the petty arguing please? It's not helpful in the least.
I'm paying £500 - £600 for the rig, so I'm not being ripped of by the way.

This is not petty arguing. I am having a conversation/discussion, so just ignore it if it bothers you. I never said you were getting ripped, but without telling how much, how am I supposed to know, read your mind?

What would help you, people rating you rig, ok, that's really helpfull:roll:

Oh, and there is a STICKY for just this sorta thread.

I don't make a Thread so that you can completely change the subject. And I don't want to use some sticky where a billion other people are posting their threads - I'd likely never get a definitive answer.

[QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"][QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="drucom"]

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

LUK3isH3RE

Is this directed towards me? Where did I say there is no such thing as a budget rig? Did the OP ask you to rate his budget rig or his gaming rig? And he never even gave a price, for all you know he got ripped off, and paid double for it.

Did you even read what I wrote? We are not talking about selling a PC for $1000 or a PC from 2004. The OP asked people to rate his rig. Not based on budget, but as a gaming rig.

Then you come in with a Computer to car analogy then talk about apples to apple, ok.

If you rate the OP's rig a 7 or above, how are you going to rate PC's that are just a little better to WAY better? It is not a bad rig, better than mine, but people rate these thing all over the place.

Will you stop the petty arguing please? It's not helpful in the least.
I'm paying £500 - £600 for the rig, so I'm not being ripped of by the way.

This is not petty arguing. I am having a conversation/discussion, so just ignore it if it bothers you. I never said you were getting ripped, but without telling how much, how am I supposed to know, read your mind?

What would help you, people rating you rig, ok, that's really helpfull:roll:

Oh, and there is a STICKY for just this sorta thread.

I don't make a Thread so that you can completely change the subject. And I don't want to use some sticky where a billion other people are posting their threads - I'd likely never get a definitive answer.

And EXACTLY how did I change the subject. We ALL were talking about rating a rig, And isn't that what this thread was about????? Did I miss something?????

So you are above the other posters huh. You should not have to use the sticky like everyone else? Do you know how many threads there would be if everyone made there own little topic about there brand new PC?

Ok with a budget of £746

You can have

# CPU: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (2 X 3.00GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

# RAM: 4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz (2x2GB)

# Motherboard: ASUS® P5Q DELUXE

# OS: Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit Edition

# HDD: 250GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

# Graphics card: 512MB RADEON HD 4870 PCI Express + DVI

# PSU: 450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (If you bare with me ive emailed them for the make of the PSU)

# CPU cooler: SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (You most likely wont need this)

# Disk drive : 20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

See what happens when you click the right things :-)

On those CLI and crossfire configurations your paying loads for the motherboard, thats what i found anyway. And if you want to cut the cost on this, down scale your graphics cards, but im telling you. This is a preety good setup, NOT UBER LEET GAMER, but preety good with room for an extra ATI card and any other additions further down the line...Unless your talking the i7 cpu bla bla bla bla

Joker1232003

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]i rate rigs compared to the best out there on the market, hence the 5...lol id rate mine 3/10drucom

You know how REDUNDANT that is? Comparing every PC that you come up with with the best in the market?

That's like saying that a Nissan GTR is a terrible car because it's slower than a Bugatti Veyron. Apples and oranges. One costs $30,000, the other $1,000,000.

See why your way of thinking defies logic? What you are doing is commiting a fallacy. Look that word up if you don't know it.

Moving on.

[QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"][QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="LUK3isH3RE"][QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="drucom"]

So what you are saying is that there is no such thing as a budget gaming rig. I mean, I hope that I'm wrong in thinking this.

See, if someone tries to sell you a $1000 PC that was built this year, and they also give you the option of buying a $1000 PC that was built in 2004, how would you rate them? With a $1000 budget, you could make a pretty good PC this year, so maybe it would get a 80/100. However, compare it to the 2004 $1000 build. That would be nowhere near what the 2008 PC performs, perhaps getting a 50/100.

See why you can't think like that? The moment variables change, the whole thing becomes a different class. That's why you can't compare a $5000 PC with a $1000 PC. Apples and oranges.

opamando

Is this directed towards me? Where did I say there is no such thing as a budget rig? Did the OP ask you to rate his budget rig or his gaming rig? And he never even gave a price, for all you know he got ripped off, and paid double for it.

Did you even read what I wrote? We are not talking about selling a PC for $1000 or a PC from 2004. The OP asked people to rate his rig. Not based on budget, but as a gaming rig.

Then you come in with a Computer to car analogy then talk about apples to apple, ok.

If you rate the OP's rig a 7 or above, how are you going to rate PC's that are just a little better to WAY better? It is not a bad rig, better than mine, but people rate these thing all over the place.

Will you stop the petty arguing please? It's not helpful in the least.
I'm paying £500 - £600 for the rig, so I'm not being ripped of by the way.

This is not petty arguing. I am having a conversation/discussion, so just ignore it if it bothers you. I never said you were getting ripped, but without telling how much, how am I supposed to know, read your mind?

What would help you, people rating you rig, ok, that's really helpfull:roll:

Oh, and there is a STICKY for just this sorta thread.

I don't make a Thread so that you can completely change the subject. And I don't want to use some sticky where a billion other people are posting their threads - I'd likely never get a definitive answer.

And EXACTLY how did I change the subject. We ALL were talking about rating a rig, And isn't that what this thread was about????? Did I miss something?????

So you are above the other posters huh. You should not have to use the sticky like everyone else? Do you know how many threads there would be if everyone made there own little topic about there brand new PC?

Yes, you may still be talking about gaming rigs, but I made this Thread so that I could get feedback before spending the best part of £600, not so that you could have an argument about a technicality in how you would rate a gaming rig. If you want to talk about that, make your own thread.

As to your frankly ridiculous comment about me thinking I'm "above" the other posters, that's stupid. I don't expect anyone to use the sticky if they don't want to - it's up to them. I personally find the concept of hundreds of people desperatly posting their specs in the same place, making them unlikely to get an answer, a broken one, so therefore I decided to make a thread.
Nobody else has complained about me making it, it's just you because you clearly have nothing better to do than pick arguments about etiquette on a gaming forum. Now would you please stop wasting my time.