Should I buy this computer? Should it be better or worse?

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#1 Jaun7707
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I am looking at buying a good gaming pc and I built one on the HP website. So I'm just wondering weather or not this would be good, not good enough, too good. Thanks- All this at $1,100.00 Operating system: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (Do I need ultimate?) Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) II X6 1045T six-core processor [2.7GHz, 3MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz] Memory: 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs] Hard drive: 1TB Graphics card: 2GB DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6570 [DVI, HDMI. VGA adapter] Primary optical drive: LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive Networking: Wireless-N LAN card edit Productivity ports: 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audio Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer
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#2 Smoke89
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6-core processors are pretty much pointless in the world of gaming. Unless you are using the PC as a workstation and some CRAZY multi-tasking you will likely get better performance from a 4 core.

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#3 ionusX
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no thats a bad one.. you tried hard and i admrie your valour but you faltered on a common step.. imbalance

your system is what i call topheavy.

its got pointless nicknacks and overpowered pieces selected at the expense of leaving other departments either completey barren or impossibly underpowered

for example.. you video card is VERY slow but your cpu is more than adequately fast. you aslo select a card reader and while only a trivial item costing a few dollars more.. it does nothing for you really.

imho with your budget your better off learning from here how to build it yourself and buy the parts and assemble it.. yourself

it would improve preformance considerably and be about x3 to x4 times more cost effective than that machine.

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#4 Jaun7707
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What graphics card would you suggest? Isn't 2GB of VRAM more than enough for most games? I thought most games now days require 512mb of VRAM and 1GB was a lot wouldn't 2GB be future proof? Should I lower the CPU to 4 core? The memory card was forced on I wish I could get rid of it.
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A few suggestions here, take them as you will.

1) You're better off getting a Phenom II x4 955 or 965 over that hexa-core you're looking for two reasons. First - they'll be clocked faster at stock speeds and Second - it's been proven that the Phenom II x4 tend to perform just a bit better then the x6 processors when clocked at the same speeds when playing games.

2) Unless you plan on doing video editing and running programs to render 3D and such things, you could drop down to 4GB of RAM - though there is nothing wrong with using 8GB.

3) As long as the motherboard supports 5.1 or 7.1 sound, there really isn't any need to go with a sound card. That is, unless you have some killer speaker system.

4) Graphic card, the 6570 is pretty much on the low end of the new GPUs out there. It will work, but don't expect to be blowing games out of the water with it's performance. If you want to go with AMD, I'd suggest looking towards the 6850 1GB. If you want to go with Nvidia, I'd suggest a GTX 460 1GB or from the 5xx series, the 560Ti.

5) I'd strongly suggest you read up on the differences on what Win 7 Ultimate offers over the other versions. For 95% of the population out there, they don't need anything more then what Home Premium offers. Ultimate is just a waste of cash for most people.

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for 1100 that comp is basically crud. as far as gaming goes.
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What graphics card would you suggest? Isn't 2GB of VRAM more than enough for most games? I thought most games now days require 512mb of VRAM and 1GB was a lot wouldn't 2GB be future proof? Should I lower the CPU to 4 core? The memory card was forced on I wish I could get rid of it.Jaun7707
AMD 6570 is WEAK!
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#8 Jaun7707
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Thanks a lot that clears a lot up. So I should drop the sound card since I have a gaming headset? Also what should I look for in a graphics card if not the VRAM, is clock speed more important? Thanks again.
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Thanks a lot that clears a lot up. So I should drop the sound card since I have a gaming headset? Also what should I look for in a graphics card if not the VRAM, is clock speed more important? Thanks again.Jaun7707
You need to look at more then just the VRAM. I could sell you a 9500GT with 2GB of RAM on it, doesn't mean it's going to run games well. The low end cards are generally slapped with an overkill amount of RAM as a selling gimmick to get uneducated people to buy it....because generally more = better. So when people see the 6850 1GB card there for $200 (or whatever the cost is) and then see the 6570 2GB for $100.....oh hot damn! There's 2GB of RAM on this card and only 1GB on the other card....that means the 2GB card is better! Which is NOT the case. You have take other things into consideration, such as memory bus/bandwidth, shaders, clock speeds....it can seem pretty confusing at first. But once you learn the basics of what to look for and learn to check benchmark comparisons, it becomes pretty easy to spot the low end vs. high end cards. Also learning the naming scheme the companies are using helps, too, but is not always correct to just rely on that aspect alone.
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#10 ionusX
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Thanks a lot that clears a lot up. So I should drop the sound card since I have a gaming headset? Also what should I look for in a graphics card if not the VRAM, is clock speed more important? Thanks again.Jaun7707

to save you alot of headaches basically look at card prices by themselves as units.. newegg.com is a prime place to get the idea of what im talking about

-$100 low end gaming to media center cards

$101-200 low end to average gamers

$201-300 high end gamers

$300 and up enthuisast gamers (professionals and those with money to burn)

judging by your budget id say youd want a card something in the 175-250 dollar range for best results

examples include as stated the gtx 460, hd 6870, hd 6950 1gb, gtx 560ti, hd 5850, and hd 5870

this sint to say that one cant game if one gets a lower end card that that range but the preformance loss can be noticeable.

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#11 ionusX
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[QUOTE="Jaun7707"]Thanks a lot that clears a lot up. So I should drop the sound card since I have a gaming headset? Also what should I look for in a graphics card if not the VRAM, is clock speed more important? Thanks again.neatfeatguy
You need to look at more then just the VRAM. I could sell you a 9500GT with 2GB of RAM on it, doesn't mean it's going to run games well. The low end cards are generally slapped with an overkill amount of RAM as a selling gimmick to get uneducated people to buy it....because generally more = better. So when people see the 6850 1GB card there for $200 (or whatever the cost is) and then see the 6570 2GB for $100.....oh hot damn! There's 2GB of RAM on this card and only 1GB on the other card....that means the 2GB card is better! Which is NOT the case. You have take other things into consideration, such as memory bus/bandwidth, shaders, clock speeds....it can seem pretty confusing at first. But once you learn the basics of what to look for and learn to check benchmark comparisons, it becomes pretty easy to spot the low end vs. high end cards. Also learning the naming scheme the companies are using helps, too, but is not always correct to just rely on that aspect alone.

mmhmm i recomemnd checking in my review postings.. despite my critics like gamble and hartsick i normally offer some good down low on gpu's from low to high end to foreign only cards (as in not sold in america)

in fact i jsut did the hd 6790 which wasnt half bad if your wanting an amd card for under $160 and cant afford to spend a penny more that that.

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#12 Jaun7707
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[QUOTE="Jaun7707"]Thanks a lot that clears a lot up. So I should drop the sound card since I have a gaming headset? Also what should I look for in a graphics card if not the VRAM, is clock speed more important? Thanks again.neatfeatguy
You need to look at more then just the VRAM. I could sell you a 9500GT with 2GB of RAM on it, doesn't mean it's going to run games well. The low end cards are generally slapped with an overkill amount of RAM as a selling gimmick to get uneducated people to buy it....because generally more = better. So when people see the 6850 1GB card there for $200 (or whatever the cost is) and then see the 6570 2GB for $100.....oh hot damn! There's 2GB of RAM on this card and only 1GB on the other card....that means the 2GB card is better! Which is NOT the case. You have take other things into consideration, such as memory bus/bandwidth, shaders, clock speeds....it can seem pretty confusing at first. But once you learn the basics of what to look for and learn to check benchmark comparisons, it becomes pretty easy to spot the low end vs. high end cards. Also learning the naming scheme the companies are using helps, too, but is not always correct to just rely on that aspect alone.

So I should be looking at clock speeds? And suppose I do look at the bandwidth and clock speeds then higher numbers are better correct? And suppose there are two cards exactly the same just the manufacturer clocks them differently for people to buy how could I know when that occurs so I can buy the cheap one and then overclock it to match the other one?
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I suggest you do you're own homework. Look at video card benchmarks and such. I can't tell you which is better because I only keep up with the current trends when I plan on building myself a PC. And I don't plan on replacing my PC for at least another 3 years.... Anyway for gaming, you want CPU Ghz over number of Cores. And the 2.7Ghz that you have there is a bit under par for gaming. You want something at least in the 3's, and as far as AMD is concerned you want something that has unlocked cores (aka: black edition CPUs). You'll also need a gaming video card. Generally, expect the high end video cards to run over 300 bucks and medium end to run from 120 to 200 bucks. Low end stuff generally runs under 100 bucks. I suggest staying away from Crossfire and SLI, personally. Duel video card setups are generally more trouble then they're worth when it comes to driver and game compatibility. Seems that AMD and Nvidia always break something with each new driver and most often it's SLI/Crossfire related stuff that they break.
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#14 Jaun7707
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[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]I suggest you do you're own homework. Look at video card benchmarks and such. I can't tell you which is better because I only keep up with the current trends when I plan on building myself a PC. And I don't plan on replacing my PC for at least another 3 years.... Anyway for gaming, you want CPU Ghz over number of Cores. And the 2.7Ghz that you have there is a bit under par for gaming. You want something at least in the 3's, and as far as AMD is concerned you want something that has unlocked cores (aka: black edition CPUs). You'll also need a gaming video card. Generally, expect the high end video cards to run over 300 bucks and medium end to run from 120 to 200 bucks. Low end stuff generally runs under 100 bucks. I suggest staying away from Crossfire and SLI, personally. Duel video card setups are generally more trouble then they're worth when it comes to driver and game compatibility. Seems that AMD and Nvidia always break something with each new driver and most often it's SLI/Crossfire related stuff that they break.

So would any Intel be unlocked or would I have to look for a special versions as well? Could I get an i7 at around 3Ghz?
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[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]I suggest you do you're own homework. Look at video card benchmarks and such. I can't tell you which is better because I only keep up with the current trends when I plan on building myself a PC. And I don't plan on replacing my PC for at least another 3 years.... Anyway for gaming, you want CPU Ghz over number of Cores. And the 2.7Ghz that you have there is a bit under par for gaming. You want something at least in the 3's, and as far as AMD is concerned you want something that has unlocked cores (aka: black edition CPUs). You'll also need a gaming video card. Generally, expect the high end video cards to run over 300 bucks and medium end to run from 120 to 200 bucks. Low end stuff generally runs under 100 bucks. I suggest staying away from Crossfire and SLI, personally. Duel video card setups are generally more trouble then they're worth when it comes to driver and game compatibility. Seems that AMD and Nvidia always break something with each new driver and most often it's SLI/Crossfire related stuff that they break.Jaun7707
So would any Intel be unlocked or would I have to look for a special versions as well? Could I get an i7 at around 3Ghz?

truth be told threesixty but his budget allows for it.. id say here is what your after TC

intel core i5 sandybridge w/ lower end 5700/6700/6800/460 series video card and 4gb ram

phenom II x4/x6 w/ 4gb ram and an hd 6800/460/ 5800 series video card.

those would be the ideal specs to shoot for and should set you back anywhere from 900-1050

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#16 Jaun7707
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[QUOTE="Jaun7707"][QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]I suggest you do you're own homework. Look at video card benchmarks and such. I can't tell you which is better because I only keep up with the current trends when I plan on building myself a PC. And I don't plan on replacing my PC for at least another 3 years.... Anyway for gaming, you want CPU Ghz over number of Cores. And the 2.7Ghz that you have there is a bit under par for gaming. You want something at least in the 3's, and as far as AMD is concerned you want something that has unlocked cores (aka: black edition CPUs). You'll also need a gaming video card. Generally, expect the high end video cards to run over 300 bucks and medium end to run from 120 to 200 bucks. Low end stuff generally runs under 100 bucks. I suggest staying away from Crossfire and SLI, personally. Duel video card setups are generally more trouble then they're worth when it comes to driver and game compatibility. Seems that AMD and Nvidia always break something with each new driver and most often it's SLI/Crossfire related stuff that they break.ionusX

So would any Intel be unlocked or would I have to look for a special versions as well? Could I get an i7 at around 3Ghz?

truth be told threesixty but his budget allows for it.. id say here is what your after TC

intel core i5 sandybridge w/ lower end 5700/6700/6800/460 series video card and 4gb ram

phenom II x4/x6 w/ 4gb ram and an hd 6800/460/ 5800 series video card.

those would be the ideal specs to shoot for and should set you back anywhere from 900-1050

What kind of games could I run at those specs?
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#17 ionusX
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assuming 1080p or lower resolution.. there is

NO

game on this earth you cvouldnt play on high settings or better and into the forseeable future (6-8 months) beyond that wlel its w ild guess but its safe to assume only cosmetic upgrades would need to be done to recitify anything that wouldt apply to that FACT for the next 2 years or so

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#18 Jaun7707
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So is this what you guys are talking about being able to run any game at 1080p or lower at high settings? My System Details Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English AMD Phenom™ II X6 1045T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB 2 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMS No Monitor 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache 16X CD/DVD Burner with Roxio Creator 2011

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So is this what you guys are talking about being able to run any game at 1080p or lower at high settings? My System Details Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English AMD Phenom™ II X6 1045T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB 2 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMS No Monitor 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache 16X CD/DVD Burner with Roxio Creator 2011

Jaun7707

yeah thats pretty good id cut down to 4gb ram to save some cash but all in all a solid buy

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#20 shimoshi
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os: just home/basic. cpu: get a quad/core. I have the 965 black edition and have no complaints or any problems playing any games. A lot cheaper now also. Memory; I doubt you even need that much. Better off getting better quality ram imo. Make sure the ram is compatible with your MoBo before getting it (despite being ddr3 1333 etc, different models can incompatible, check the MoBo website) MoBo: get a good Mobo, one that will get the best out of your ram, gpu etc for your price range. You can generally good good inbuilt sound cards on MoBo nowadays, i wouldn't waste the money. GPU: Memory can be decieving. look at the gpu as a whole package. Research this. I'd be willing to dish out a little more in this area if youre really into gaming.