Should I get WoW or Guild Wars 2?
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[QUOTE="Maroxad"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Don't be fooled, removing the "holy trinity" hasn't created anything REALLY great, its simply made chaos for the sake of chaos, in no way does it present more challenge or skill like some will have you believe... and the fights are pretty much just as predictable (in alot of cases even more predictable as 99% of the group-enounters have no creativity to them.)FelipeInside
Guild Wars 2's system is far from perfect, but it is still leagues above the role system gone wrong known as the holy trinity. And the herpa derpa mobs it causes.
Holy Trinity was the worst thing that happened the RPG genre.
As for the lack of interesting boss mechanics, that has nothing to do with the lack of a trinity and more to do with poor enemy design.
But hasn't the Holy Trinity been in RPGs for years? I remember even playing Baldurs Gate, there was a tank, then area of effect mages, a healer etc etc...???Baldur's Gate has a role system, not a holy trinity system. Also, the Tanks and healers are nowhere near as obnoxious or derpy in BG than they are in WoW.
In Dungeons and Dragons tanks arent monster magnets and foes can opt to attack squishies. Likewise, healing is a lot more limited and most healing spells are touch based neaning that a cleric just cant stand behind and spam heals. Furthermore in Dungeons and Dragons there are support characters (like the bard) and utililty characters as well.
It may have already been mentioned, but now for $19.99 you get WoW, Burning Crusade AND Wrath of the Lich King in the new digital Battle Chest, and you can play to level 20 for free, so why not give WoW a try? Make a $20 investment, play to level 20 without subscribing and see how you like it. Play multiple characters to 20. If you like it, subscribe and you'll have a ton of content over two expansions as you work toward 80.
I think WoW is still worth it. I enjoy it personally.
I was nearly going to buy MISTS today.... but I just don't have the time for 2 MMOs. Not even time for GW2 by itself sometimes. The $15 monthly would just not be worth it for me.It may have already been mentioned, but now for $19.99 you get WoW, Burning Crusade AND Wrath of the Lich King in the new digital Battle Chest, and you can play to level 20 for free, so why not give WoW a try? Make a $20 investment, play to level 20 without subscribing and see how you like it. Play multiple characters to 20. If you like it, subscribe and you'll have a ton of content over two expansions as you work toward 80.
I think WoW is still worth it. I enjoy it personally.
Jonahirt
FelipeInside, I was refering to how every 6 months a new raiding tier is released. When the new tier is released, the previous set of gear is made obsolete and you are onto grinding on the next level of gear. The gear treadmill people have been talking about.
WoW is just better man. There is a reason why it still have 10 million+ subscribers after all these years; it's just the best. Guild Wars was free to play and didn't have nearly the numbers WoW had and Guild Wars 2 will be the same. When you pay the 15 bucks a month, you get your moneys worth.
Better at some things, worst in others. The reason WoW still has so many people playing (10 million is way off) is because people have invested so much time into their character that they don't want to let go. These people will ONLY let go when the servers are closed down, even if WOW2 comes out.WoW is just better man. There is a reason why it still have 10 million+ subscribers after all these years; it's just the best. Guild Wars was free to play and didn't have nearly the numbers WoW had and Guild Wars 2 will be the same. When you pay the 15 bucks a month, you get your moneys worth.
MikeMoose
[QUOTE="MikeMoose"]Better at some things, worst in others. The reason WoW still has so many people playing (10 million is way off) is because people have invested so much time into their character that they don't want to let go. These people will ONLY let go when the servers are closed down, even if WOW2 comes out. You always post as if you are a expert on mmos, you played wow for years and never had a max character or raided, You talked about a secret world and how awesome it was and that lasted a few weeks, now you are playing gw2 and I would be suprised if you ever got a max character in that one either. That's fine and all but your posts come off as if you are some expert on mmos, and in my opinion you are a casual that never really gets any where and moves on to the next game quickly, repeating the process and acting like you know all about that one as well.WoW is just better man. There is a reason why it still have 10 million+ subscribers after all these years; it's just the best. Guild Wars was free to play and didn't have nearly the numbers WoW had and Guild Wars 2 will be the same. When you pay the 15 bucks a month, you get your moneys worth.
FelipeInside
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MikeMoose"]Better at some things, worst in others. The reason WoW still has so many people playing (10 million is way off) is because people have invested so much time into their character that they don't want to let go. These people will ONLY let go when the servers are closed down, even if WOW2 comes out. You always post as if you are a expert on mmos, you played wow for years and never had a max character or raided, You talked about a secret world and how awesome it was and that lasted a few weeks, now you are playing gw2 and I would be suprised if you ever got a max character in that one either. That's fine and all but your posts come off as if you are some expert on mmos, and in my opinion you are a casual that never really gets any where and moves on to the next game quickly, repeating the process and acting like you know all about that one as well.WoW is just better man. There is a reason why it still have 10 million+ subscribers after all these years; it's just the best. Guild Wars was free to play and didn't have nearly the numbers WoW had and Guild Wars 2 will be the same. When you pay the 15 bucks a month, you get your moneys worth.
Advid-Gamer
Where did I say in my post I'm an expert? Please point it out.
And YOU always post like WoW is the only MMO worth playing, and all the others are crap... WHY? Cause all u concentrate on is end-game, which not every MMO is about that. Once you realize that, you might enjoy more titles.
And maybe I do move onto the next title. Why? Cause my time is limited. But I go to sleep happy that I enjoyed the little that I played. I prefer that over what you do which is spend money on a game and then come on here to bash it like a sad person.
I ENJOY GAMES, sue me.
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i love how the guy with less than 30 posts that comes out of nowhere is getting more attention than the rest of the thread, because he uses all the obvious baits.FelipeInsideI also wonder how people with less than 30 posts get to level 15....???
Sorry for saying like this, but who the hell cares about leveling up his gamespot account :P It´s not a MMO.
I also wonder how people with less than 30 posts get to level 15....???[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i love how the guy with less than 30 posts that comes out of nowhere is getting more attention than the rest of the thread, because he uses all the obvious baits.jhonMalcovich
Sorry for saying like this, but who the hell cares about leveling up his gamespot account :P It´s not a MMO.
I don't, just wondering.[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I also wonder how people with less than 30 posts get to level 15....???FelipeInside
Sorry for saying like this, but who the hell cares about leveling up his gamespot account :P It´s not a MMO.
I don't, just wondering. You level by reading the website AKA visiting pages, that's the fastest way to level, not by posting.
If we are in 2004 , 2005 i would say wow. but we are in 2012 and i say stop to generic , outdated , grinding junk and try GW2
Assimilat0r
Pretty much THIS!
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Don't be fooled, removing the "holy trinity" hasn't created anything REALLY great, its simply made chaos for the sake of chaos, in no way does it present more challenge or skill like some will have you believe... and the fights are pretty much just as predictable (in alot of cases even more predictable as 99% of the group-enounters have no creativity to them.)Maroxad
Guild Wars 2's system is far from perfect, but it is still leagues above the role system gone wrong known as the holy trinity. And the herpa derpa mobs it causes.
Holy Trinity was the worst thing that happened the RPG genre.
As for the lack of interesting boss mechanics, that has nothing to do with the lack of a trinity and more to do with poor enemy design.
Whatever. I found healing fun, I found tanking fun, I found structure and phases to fights fun. If rolling around is more fun to you then more power I guess, but as Guild Wars 2 shows so far having no holy trinity just makes chaos for the sake of chaos, it is in no way creative or well done. All it is now is 5 DPS with the occasional support ability spamming boring bosses. If you like The standard mmo pve, this provides something far worse.[QUOTE="Maroxad"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Don't be fooled, removing the "holy trinity" hasn't created anything REALLY great, its simply made chaos for the sake of chaos, in no way does it present more challenge or skill like some will have you believe... and the fights are pretty much just as predictable (in alot of cases even more predictable as 99% of the group-enounters have no creativity to them.)MBirdy88
Guild Wars 2's system is far from perfect, but it is still leagues above the role system gone wrong known as the holy trinity. And the herpa derpa mobs it causes.
Holy Trinity was the worst thing that happened the RPG genre.
As for the lack of interesting boss mechanics, that has nothing to do with the lack of a trinity and more to do with poor enemy design.
Whatever. I found healing fun, I found tanking fun, I found structure and phases to fights fun. If rolling around is more fun to you then more power I guess, but as Guild Wars 2 shows so far having no holy trinity just makes chaos for the sake of chaos, it is in no way creative or well done. All it is now is 5 DPS with the occasional support ability spamming boring bosses. If you like The standard mmo pve, this provides something far worse.I find phases to fights fun too, in fact, my favorite boss in GW2 is the only boss (that I faced so far) that has phases.
The problem with Guild Wars 2's combat at the moment are the following
- Too long cooldowns, stamina regenerates too slowly
- Mobs (especially bosses) are too sturdy
- Encounter design that does not support the current combat system as well as it should. For future dungeons there should be far less bosses and more interesting encounters.
- Lack or resource management for most classes
- Respawning in a dungeon while your group is in combat
My warrior supports his allies through maintaining +255 power, +185 condition damage to everyone in the group, in addition to +80 toughness/vitality and maintaining regen on everyone in the group. Not to mention, I use AoE cripples to slow down foes to protect my foes, should they decide to attack someone else and stuns to slow down the foe as well, my damage is not great, but I feel like i do contribute to my group's success.
When I raided during TBC as a tank it really felt like a single player game, except for the fact that I dephend on healers to keep me alive and the fact that I needed to keep my threat higher than the dps. With the occational boss mechanic involved which sometimes required some degree of teamwork.
But really, the trinity does not encourage co-operation, usually it is a detriment to it. It gives you an identity within your group, but it doesnt improve teamwork.
GW2 is the better game...
You always post as if you are a expert on mmos, you played wow for years and never had a max character or raided, You talked about a secret world and how awesome it was and that lasted a few weeks, now you are playing gw2 and I would be suprised if you ever got a max character in that one either. That's fine and all but your posts come off as if you are some expert on mmos, and in my opinion you are a casual that never really gets any where and moves on to the next game quickly, repeating the process and acting like you know all about that one as well.[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Better at some things, worst in others. The reason WoW still has so many people playing (10 million is way off) is because people have invested so much time into their character that they don't want to let go. These people will ONLY let go when the servers are closed down, even if WOW2 comes out.FelipeInside
Where did I say in my post I'm an expert? Please point it out.
And YOU always post like WoW is the only MMO worth playing, and all the others are crap... WHY? Cause all u concentrate on is end-game, which not every MMO is about that. Once you realize that, you might enjoy more titles.
And maybe I do move onto the next title. Why? Cause my time is limited. But I go to sleep happy that I enjoyed the little that I played. I prefer that over what you do which is spend money on a game and then come on here to bash it like a sad person.
I ENJOY GAMES, sue me.
I post as if wow is the only mmo I have really enjoyed so far, still waiting on a better mmo to come out. I buy them all hoping they will suck me in, I cant choose what I like, either I like it or I dont, and yes I enjoy end game the most, gear is completely pointless till max level, All the mmos I have actually enjoyed enough to get to max level it didnt take long at all to blow tru the content and reach max level. raiding, running dungeons, grinding for rare mounts, thats fun how people think leveling is any fun is beyond me, all the quests I have done in mmos, including wow are boring as hell except a few and only a means to a end.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] You always post as if you are a expert on mmos, you played wow for years and never had a max character or raided, You talked about a secret world and how awesome it was and that lasted a few weeks, now you are playing gw2 and I would be suprised if you ever got a max character in that one either. That's fine and all but your posts come off as if you are some expert on mmos, and in my opinion you are a casual that never really gets any where and moves on to the next game quickly, repeating the process and acting like you know all about that one as well.Advid-Gamer
Where did I say in my post I'm an expert? Please point it out.
And YOU always post like WoW is the only MMO worth playing, and all the others are crap... WHY? Cause all u concentrate on is end-game, which not every MMO is about that. Once you realize that, you might enjoy more titles.
And maybe I do move onto the next title. Why? Cause my time is limited. But I go to sleep happy that I enjoyed the little that I played. I prefer that over what you do which is spend money on a game and then come on here to bash it like a sad person.
I ENJOY GAMES, sue me.
I post as if wow is the only mmo I have really enjoyed so far, still waiting on a better mmo to come out. I buy them all hoping they will suck me in, I cant choose what I like, either I like it or I dont, and yes I enjoy end game the most, gear is completely pointless till max level, All the mmos I have actually enjoyed enough to get to max level it didnt take long at all to blow tru the content and reach max level. raiding, running dungeons, grinding for rare mounts, thats fun how people think leveling is any fun is beyond me, all the quests I have done in mmos, including wow are boring as hell except a few and only a means to a end. Like I said, you answered your own question. All you care about (what you call "fun") is end-game. To you the PvE leveling up experience, the quests, the story are all things to just blow through. Which is fine, but news flash, not everyone enjoys that. Some people these days don't have time to raid, so they look for other things in an MMO. The great thing about GW2 is that you don't have to wait till max level and max gear to be part of something epic and big. At level 10 I was already participating in an event against a big boss with 20 other players. WoW is great, but other MMOs that have come out are just as fun in terms of leveling, story, characters etc.
I haven't played GW2 yet, but as someone who has played WoW, it's best years are behind it. Vanilla was pretty good and IMO it doesn't have the same fun factor it did since then. Not to mention just now starting WoW, you're several expansions behind and would have A LOT of catching up to do and woudln't get to experience the different expansions as they were intended.
What I miss most about WoW (and maybe MMOs in general) is the "magic" feel. I remember when I first played WoW, very close to launch.....it wasn't a game, it was an adventure. Places to go, things to discover. Every time you crossed someone on the road, you would stop and wave, they would wave back and even start talking and questing together. These days people just go past you without a second's notice, and don't even help in some occasions. That's why I was pleasantly surprised with GW2, the way it does group events is great and seamless. You don't even have to party with someone. It's nice to see that again, when you are fighting the odds and you see people come out of nowhere to help.I haven't played GW2 yet, but as someone who has played WoW, it's best years are behind it. Vanilla was pretty good and IMO it doesn't have the same fun factor it did since then. Not to mention just now starting WoW, you're several expansions behind and would have A LOT of catching up to do and woudln't get to experience the different expansions as they were intended.
Cwagmire21
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