Should I jump from 1.6 to Source?

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#1 Vfanek
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Wondering if it's worth it, been a Counter Strike player since 1.1 and the 1.5 - > 1.6 patch was a real disappointment, and don't get me started on Condition Zero.. So is it worth buying source instead? What are the key differences? Is it just a new physics engine.. or, err

Basically, should I make the jump?

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#2 underdark944
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Of course you should, Source is still supported by Valve and has had countless maps & various content updates. I'm not sure on this, but it probably has more players also.
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#3 gamerchris810
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Yes you should.
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#4 sadikovic
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Just do it man!

Its the best CS IMO better physics/gun models and handling add some realism in hit detection and stuff PLUS it looks good.

DUST 2 FTW!

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#5 Vfanek
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Then I will, thanks for the heads up :D
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#6 bindip
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u still play 1.6 :o the game thats full of hackers and shooting through soild walls :o
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#7 stevendiep_100
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I have played both, source is better by a long shot.
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#8 TheDukeEmperor
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Go for Source.
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#9 darkface
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Contrary to popular belief, Source is actually the better game. :D
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#10 fireboy1414
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i love the hell out of source...its real fun...and looks great
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#11 Vfanek
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Okay I bought it.

What's with the plastic guns? :|

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#12 mrbojangles25
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Okay I bought it.

What's with the plastic guns? :|

Vfanek

Um, most guns are plastic nowadays, excluding barrels and internal parts. AUG, M4, Scout, TMP, MP5, and of course the Glock to name just a few. All plastic guns!

Or was this an insult to the modeling of the guns? I dont see the problem, theyre freaking beautiful imo.

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#13 WraithsLotus
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CSS is crap compared to 1.6. 1.6 takes more skill, souce is just spray your m4 silenced and ak at the ground and hope to get a headshot
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#14 Chairman-Yin
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CSS is crap compared to 1.6. 1.6 takes more skill, souce is just spray your m4 silenced and ak at the ground and hope to get a headshotWraithsLotus

you're just making yourself look stupid. you either dont play source at all or you're a noob playing random office servers full of other noobs.

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#15 GeryGo  Moderator
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u still play 1.6 :o the game thats full of hackers and shooting through soild walls :obindip

tell me about it - freaking 5 hackers/cheaters at the same time - i own them sometimes:P noobies that can't even kill with hacks/cheats lol how lame is that? :lol:

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#16 GeryGo  Moderator
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Okay I bought it.

What's with the plastic guns? :|

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plastic guns?

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#17 WraithsLotus
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[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]CSS is crap compared to 1.6. 1.6 takes more skill, souce is just spray your m4 silenced and ak at the ground and hope to get a headshotChairman-Yin

you're just making yourself look stupid. you either dont play source at all or you're a noob playing random office servers full of other noobs.

nah i hate pubs, i play in pug's or in scrims with my clan. CSS is just terrible compared to 1.6. CSS isnt bad, its just noobier

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#18 kweeky
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Noobier?

There is a regression of "newbie" status beyond that of simply noob?

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#19 WraithsLotus
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yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

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#20 GeryGo  Moderator
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yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

WraithsLotus

yeah half of those guys are cheater/hackers lol

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#21 kweeky
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yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

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Oh, I see. I didn't know that. Did you know noob backwards is boon?

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#22 WraithsLotus
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yah its true but if u find a good server just like you would in source. theres no hacker problem at all. or if you play ina clan. it all depends on how you play the game. If your pub hopper, then yah theres gunna be hackers. like in every game. they may not be obvious aimbotting wallhackers. but more than likely theres a hacker. if you play in competition like cal/twl or in pugs, less chance you run into a hacker tho possible. I dont play the CS series anymore but i would play CSS now more than 1.6 due to 1.6 is getting old. but if i had a choice. id play 1.6 but all my friends play CSS and my clan to. so yah
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[QUOTE="Chairman-Yin"]

[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]CSS is crap compared to 1.6. 1.6 takes more skill, souce is just spray your m4 silenced and ak at the ground and hope to get a headshotWraithsLotus

you're just making yourself look stupid. you either dont play source at all or you're a noob playing random office servers full of other noobs.

nah i hate pubs, i play in pug's or in scrims with my clan. CSS is just terrible compared to 1.6. CSS isnt bad, its just noobier

ok, guns that aim good now is noobier? good physics is noobier? the game is much better than 1.6

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#24 WraithsLotus
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[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]

yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

kweeky

Oh, I see. I didn't know that. Did you know noob backwards is boon?

yes my email is xodnoob@gmail.com lol which is boondox backwards

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#25 WraithsLotus
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[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"][QUOTE="Chairman-Yin"]

[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]CSS is crap compared to 1.6. 1.6 takes more skill, souce is just spray your m4 silenced and ak at the ground and hope to get a headshotPredatorRules

you're just making yourself look stupid. you either dont play source at all or you're a noob playing random office servers full of other noobs.

nah i hate pubs, i play in pug's or in scrims with my clan. CSS is just terrible compared to 1.6. CSS isnt bad, its just noobier

ok, guns that aim good now is noobier? good physics is noobier? the game is much better than 1.6

they aim better making it easier to play. 1.6 takes more skill than source.

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#26 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]

yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

kweeky

Oh, I see. I didn't know that. Did you know noob backwards is boon?

Ladies and gents, we have reached a new low: arguing over the grammatical correctness of a word that isnt a word!

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#27 kweeky
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[QUOTE="kweeky"][QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]

yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

mrbojangles25

Oh, I see. I didn't know that. Did you know noob backwards is boon?

Ladies and gents, we have reached a new low: arguing over the grammatical correctness of a word that isnt a word!

We weren't arguing.

I learnt something new today. :)

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#28 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="kweeky"][QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]

yes. noobier, its noobier, meaning its easier for noobs to play cause itsa noobs game

and alot more people play 1.6 than source everyday which is another reason why id rather play 1.6 than source.

kweeky

Oh, I see. I didn't know that. Did you know noob backwards is boon?

Ladies and gents, we have reached a new low: arguing over the grammatical correctness of a word that isnt a word!

We weren't arguing.

I learnt something new today. :)

I feel like that person on the commercial with the rainbow and shooting star in the background..."the more you know..."

:P

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#29 Kev_Boy
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To be brutally honest... both games are plagued by irresponsible people and servers. Thousdans of servers for both 1.6 and Source however most of them are empty or only got bots on them and the rest all run Dust 2/Office twenty-four seven... sad if you think about it (also if you don't think about it)
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#30 1q3er5
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1.3 was the best, they messed up the jumping in 1.6, bunny hopping ruled.

Source? worse than 1.6 It requires even less skill. Too easy for awpers, and i hate awps, such a cheap skill less weapon.

Nice graphics but they messed up the jumping EVEN more in source, slowed the game right down.

Cs isn't suppose to be super realistic so why not just leave the jumping alone and add some speed to the game?

Cs has gotten worse and worse in my opinion, I still play 1.6 time to time but 1.3 was when CS was in its prime.

Guess i'm old skool.

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[QUOTE="PredatorRules"][QUOTE="WraithsLotus"][QUOTE="Chairman-Yin"]

[QUOTE="WraithsLotus"]CSS is crap compared to 1.6. 1.6 takes more skill, souce is just spray your m4 silenced and ak at the ground and hope to get a headshotWraithsLotus

you're just making yourself look stupid. you either dont play source at all or you're a noob playing random office servers full of other noobs.

nah i hate pubs, i play in pug's or in scrims with my clan. CSS is just terrible compared to 1.6. CSS isnt bad, its just noobier

ok, guns that aim good now is noobier? good physics is noobier? the game is much better than 1.6

they aim better making it easier to play. 1.6 takes more skill than source.

more skill? guns that spray all over isn't skill at all

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#32 kyrieee
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CS:S isn't better for anyone who takes the game a bit seriously. The game is dumbed down in every possible aspect. The guns have a lot less recoil, you can see enemies on the radar, you get full ammo for your guns, you can't shoot through walls etc. Shooting through walls is a really important feature of CS, being good at it can be a deciding factor in a match. Add to that all the useless rubble lying around the maps and the ridiculous flashes (they're that because it doesn't matter if you turn around, you still get flashed which means better players aren't at an advantage).

CS 1.6 is a game that has been refined for almost a decade. CS:S is a new game from the ground up, it doesn't capture anything of what makes CS great. I don't think it's any different from any other CS clone out there. The ragdoll death animations are pretty ridiculous too, compared to the awesome headshot animations in 1.6 (I've seen ragdolls fly at people who've headshotted them). The devil's in the details, and CS:S doesn't capture the details, like crouchpeeking for example.

1.6's visuals may be outdated, but they're functional. Not all games are about visuals. A chess game does not get any better because of 3D graphics. 1.6 has simplistic geometry that does not get in the way of the game.

"yeah half of those guys are cheater/hackers lol" really?

I don't run into more than maybe 1 or 2 cheaters a month, in pubs. I do get banned a lot from pubs myself. There are a lot of people with a lot of skill at the game, and those people get accused of cheating... a lot. 1.6 has 4 times more players than CS:S because CS:S isn't an option for those who're serious about the game. There's general consensus among top players that CS:S isn't as good of a competitive game as 1.6 is.

I'm not saying you can't enjoy CS:S, but it IS more streamlined in order to appeal to casual players. This isn't an e-sports forum and as such I'd assume people to recommend CS:S. Don't be offended by my opinion.

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#33 WraithsLotus
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wish i couldd post quality like that
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#34 kyrieee
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1.3 was the best, they messed up the jumping in 1.6, bunny hopping ruled.

Source? worse than 1.6 It requires even less skill. Too easy for awpers, and i hate awps, such a cheap skill less weapon.

Nice graphics but they messed up the jumping EVEN more in source, slowed the game right down.

Cs isn't suppose to be super realistic so why not just leave the jumping alone and add some speed to the game?

Cs has gotten worse and worse in my opinion, I still play 1.6 time to time but 1.3 was when CS was in its prime.

Guess i'm old skool.

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A lot of people miss 1.3 but I've played it quite a lot and it wasn't as sweet as I remembered. The game has actually seen tremendous development since 1.3 and there are too many features that you can't live without. In 1.3, because of the jumping and 'flying pistols', you could be a one man army, but now the game is much more team based. Strats have come lightyears since 1.3

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#35 StephenHu
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When I made the jump from 1.6 to source, i was doing alot better in source, the hitboxes are very big, especially the head, which makes for a ton of headshot kills
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#36 tramp
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Source is a joke.
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#37 GeryGo  Moderator
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you can't shoot throught walls at Source? you mean the wooden doors? WTF? man that's bad
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#38 50papuse
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the only reasons (i think) why cs has more players it's because that it is cheaper and older so ppl know more the game.
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#39 mrbojangles25
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You guys are all wrong....WROOOOOOOOOOOONG!

Beta 6.6 was the best. it was the last version they made where the M4 still had the scope on it. Man I was good with that gun.

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#40 laxhockey752
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a good 1.6 player will own agoodsource anyday..i jumped to source as you did and my 1st game playing i went 16-6..very easy compared to 1.6
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#41 Vfanek
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

Okay I bought it.

What's with the plastic guns? :|

mrbojangles25

Um, most guns are plastic nowadays, excluding barrels and internal parts. AUG, M4, Scout, TMP, MP5, and of course the Glock to name just a few. All plastic guns!

Or was this an insult to the modeling of the guns? I dont see the problem, theyre freaking beautiful imo.

The modelling. I don't have a high end computer, but the 1.6 models definately look better on mine. I'm playing on medium. The m4a1 looks like a friggen water gun (that's what you call em?).

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#42 linmukai
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Use The Source Luke... step away from the Dark Side...
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#43 Vfanek
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I'm going for vac, so I'll bump this thread in a week (unless I somehow get internet access).
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#44 Rattlesnake_8
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I've been playing CS since it was in early early beta stages. Ive been playing Source for quite a while and tried 1.6 recently.. i really don't know how anyone can play with those skinny, blocky models in 1.6. Source is definatly worth playing and getting used to, you'll never go back to 1.6.
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#45 kyrieee
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CS models aren't blocky ^_^ hfpsmodels are:

http://www.csnation.net/images/content/image_26555.jpg (I play with them, although with cl_minmodels 1)

1.6's animations are more fluid, I really can't stand the source ones.

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#46 stygiansanity
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no...cs 1.6 is the better game in terms of skill needed to be good. you can tell the differene between someone good at cs 1.6 and someone who sucks...in source, it's rather easy to be good, and teh combat is just not the same. but neverhteless, source still is a fun game.
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#47 mrbojangles25
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Use The Source Luke... step away from the Dark Side...linmukai

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