should i sell my i5 750

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#1 blaznwiipspman1
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hello, lookin for a bit of advice. Im planing to sell my i5 750 plus mobo for around $220 and then im going to buy a core i5 2500k and motherboard and pay the difference. I mainly play starcraft 2 and I know the 2500k is awesome for rts games, so should I go ahead and get the 2500k or just stick with what I got. I see alot of benchmarks destroying the i5 750 HOWEVER they're all misleading since the 2500k is clocked 800 mhz higher than the 750. Is there a real difference clock for clock and is it worth the extra $$ im gonna be shelling out.

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#2 MonsieurX
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Doubt it's worth it.
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#3 gmaster456
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Meh, I wouldn't. Just keep what you have. Try overclocking if you can.
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#4 Tezcatlipoca666
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I personally don't consider the 2500k a good upgrade in your case. Is your 750 OC'ed? Overclocking would be a far more cost effective option.

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#5 blaznwiipspman1
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my 750 is at slightly above stock right now--2.75 ghz. So you guys think the extra 100 or so isnt worth a 2500k?

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#6 gmaster456
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my 750 is at slightly above stock right now--2.75 ghz. So you guys think the extra 100 or so isnt worth a 2500k?

blaznwiipspman1
i personally don't think its worth it
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#7 blaznwiipspman1
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dam, i dont know what to upgrade then. Im not a gfx whore so Im pretty happy with my current setup, the only thing I could think of to upgrade was the 2500k. I would like some more opinions on this.

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#8 BattleSpectre
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dam, i dont know what to upgrade then. Im not a gfx whore so Im pretty happy with my current setup, the only thing I could think of to upgrade was the 2500k. I would like some more opinions on this.

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Why fix, when it's not broken?

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#9 Tezcatlipoca666
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dam, i dont know what to upgrade then. Im not a gfx whore so Im pretty happy with my current setup, the only thing I could think of to upgrade was the 2500k. I would like some more opinions on this.

blaznwiipspman1

You might not be a graphics whore but the HD 4770 is getting a little inadequate. I had one before my HD 6850 and definitely don't regret the upgrade.

Other than getting a new video card you could buy a fancy CPU heatsink & fan and overclock your CPU to 3.8-4.0 Ghz. That would help in RTS games.

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#10 Elann2008
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Might be worth it if you upgrade to an i7-2600k, but not the i5-2500k.
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#11 BattleSpectre
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Might be worth it if you upgrade to an i7-2600k, but not the i5-2500k.Elann2008
Gaming wise there isn't much of a difference between the two. Both overclock very well and will suit his needs.

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#12 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Might be worth it if you upgrade to an i7-2600k, but not the i5-2500k.BattleSpectre

Gaming wise there isn't much of a difference between the two. Both overclock very well and will suit his needs.

Yeah if you're comparing an i5-2500k to an i7-2600k, sure there isn't much of a difference. I clearly meant to say, going from his CURRENT CPU to an i7-2600k would be worth it, compared to going from his current cpu to an i5-2500k. I wouldn't advise upgrading to an i5-2500k where the difference will be negligible.
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#13 blaznwiipspman1
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[QUOTE="BattleSpectre"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Might be worth it if you upgrade to an i7-2600k, but not the i5-2500k.Elann2008

Gaming wise there isn't much of a difference between the two. Both overclock very well and will suit his needs.

Yeah if you're comparing an i5-2500k to an i7-2600k, sure there isn't much of a difference. I clearly meant to say, going from his CURRENT CPU to an i7-2600k would be worth it, compared to going from his current cpu to an i5-2500k. I wouldn't advise upgrading to an i5-2500k where the difference will be negligible.

the only thing the i7 has is hyperthreading which is useless in games eitherway. I dunno what else it has? I guess I could wait for bulldozer and upgrade my amd rig.

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#14 BattleSpectre
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[QUOTE="BattleSpectre"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Might be worth it if you upgrade to an i7-2600k, but not the i5-2500k.Elann2008

Gaming wise there isn't much of a difference between the two. Both overclock very well and will suit his needs.

Yeah if you're comparing an i5-2500k to an i7-2600k, sure there isn't much of a difference. I clearly meant to say, going from his CURRENT CPU to an i7-2600k would be worth it, compared to going from his current cpu to an i5-2500k. I wouldn't advise upgrading to an i5-2500k where the difference will be negligible.

Or he can just overclock his current CPU. And save that money for a GPU upgrade down the track. ;)

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#15 blaznwiipspman1
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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

dam, i dont know what to upgrade then. Im not a gfx whore so Im pretty happy with my current setup, the only thing I could think of to upgrade was the 2500k. I would like some more opinions on this.

Tezcatlipoca666

You might not be a graphics whore but the HD 4770 is getting a little inadequate. I had one before my HD 6850 and definitely don't regret the upgrade.

Other than getting a new video card you could buy a fancy CPU heatsink & fan and overclock your CPU to 3.8-4.0 Ghz. That would help in RTS games.

with the money spent on a cooler, i may as well just buy the 2500k lol..also whats the point in getting a better video card? My current card maxes out most games ive played without the AA. Games don[t look much better with aa added anyways. Im not anticipating bf3 or any pc game as of yet.

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#16 BattleSpectre
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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

dam, i dont know what to upgrade then. Im not a gfx whore so Im pretty happy with my current setup, the only thing I could think of to upgrade was the 2500k. I would like some more opinions on this.

blaznwiipspman1

You might not be a graphics whore but the HD 4770 is getting a little inadequate. I had one before my HD 6850 and definitely don't regret the upgrade.

Other than getting a new video card you could buy a fancy CPU heatsink & fan and overclock your CPU to 3.8-4.0 Ghz. That would help in RTS games.

with the money spent on a cooler, i may as well just buy the 2500k lol..also whats the point in getting a better video card? My current card maxes out most games ive played without the AA. Games don[t look much better with aa added anyways. Im not anticipating bf3 or any pc game as of yet.

Why must you ask random people whether or not to spend YOUR money.

If you want to upgrade than sure go for it. Who cares what anyone else thinks or says.

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#17 ionusX
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why upgrade the core i5 neahelms are still beasts they wreck stuff up in the market and i dont see a reason to bother upgrading from anything less than a phenom I x4 (am2+) atm or if your really stingy a core 2 quad/athalon II x4

seriously if you have a core i5 atm your more than well off.

why cant people be more accepting of what they have vs whats available?

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#18 Tezcatlipoca666
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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

You might not be a graphics whore but the HD 4770 is getting a little inadequate. I had one before my HD 6850 and definitely don't regret the upgrade.

Other than getting a new video card you could buy a fancy CPU heatsink & fan and overclock your CPU to 3.8-4.0 Ghz. That would help in RTS games.

BattleSpectre

with the money spent on a cooler, i may as well just buy the 2500k lol..also whats the point in getting a better video card? My current card maxes out most games ive played without the AA. Games don[t look much better with aa added anyways. Im not anticipating bf3 or any pc game as of yet.

Why must you ask random people whether or not to spend YOUR money.

If you want to upgrade than sure go for it. Who cares what anyone else thinks or says.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advice_%28opinion%29

He's not taking orders... he is merely asking for opinions/advice. What's so wrong about that.

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#19 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="BattleSpectre"] Gaming wise there isn't much of a difference between the two. Both overclock very well and will suit his needs.

BattleSpectre

Yeah if you're comparing an i5-2500k to an i7-2600k, sure there isn't much of a difference. I clearly meant to say, going from his CURRENT CPU to an i7-2600k would be worth it, compared to going from his current cpu to an i5-2500k. I wouldn't advise upgrading to an i5-2500k where the difference will be negligible.

Or he can just overclock his current CPU. And save that money for a GPU upgrade down the track. ;)

You're absolutely right. That would be my highest recommendation. His current CPU, overclocked will help him save money. No need to upgrade the CPU. :D

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#20 sinpkr
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just get a new sub 130-200 buck graphics card. will greatly improve your framrates in starcraft and othe games

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#21 BattleSpectre
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[QUOTE="BattleSpectre"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

with the money spent on a cooler, i may as well just buy the 2500k lol..also whats the point in getting a better video card? My current card maxes out most games ive played without the AA. Games don[t look much better with aa added anyways. Im not anticipating bf3 or any pc game as of yet.

Tezcatlipoca666

Why must you ask random people whether or not to spend YOUR money.

If you want to upgrade than sure go for it. Who cares what anyone else thinks or says.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advice_%28opinion%29

He's not taking orders... he is merely asking for opinions/advice. What's so wrong about that.

Ignore that last post. Was out of line by even saying that junk.

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#22 Bikouchu35
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Get a new graphics card thatll be the difference maker since the cpu is still pretty up to date.

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#23 Gambler_3
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Clearly you need a new graphics card....

And a CPU cooler only costs $30, you cant honestly argue against spending $30 that would allow you to have substantially faster clocks especially when you are playing CPU intensive games and would directly benefit from the overclock. What I really dislike about coolers is the procedure of installing them, that's why I didnt get the 212+ yet lol.

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#24 blaznwiipspman1
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thanks for the advice guys, but I ended up buying the 2500k. Great cpu, so far I havent seen frames ever dip below 30 even during huge fights on 4v4 maps in sc2. Its not really a huge upgrade from the 750, but its still a great cpu. Unfortunately im using some really crappy mobo, which I intend to return asap, and get this one insteadhttp://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583Let me know what you guys think. I don't want to spend so much money on a mobo, so this one looks pretty good to me. I also plan to buy a video card, but I don't really think I need one yet. I will probably wait till the next gen video cards roll out.

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#25 ravenguard90
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thanks for the advice guys, but I ended up buying the 2500k. Great cpu, so far I havent seen frames ever dip below 30 even during huge fights on 4v4 maps in sc2. Its not really a huge upgrade from the 750, but its still a great cpu. Unfortunately im using some really crappy mobo, which I intend to return asap, and get this one insteadhttp://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583Let me know what you guys think. I don't want to spend so much money on a mobo, so this one looks pretty good to me. I also plan to buy a video card, but I don't really think I need one yet. I will probably wait till the next gen video cards roll out.

blaznwiipspman1

What did you do with that i5 750, btw? Any chance you're looking to sell it? :D

Anyway, that board looks good, although there is some confusion as to whether or not the G43 supports SLI or not, if you're interested in that part of the feature set.

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The question is, how were you still content with a 4770 and not an i5 750? I don't see how are maxing anything recent with that...

I had an i5 750 with cm 212+ and a hd5770 and i sold that to a friend and got a hd6950.

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#27 BLaZiNg_SPEED
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No point in a new CPU. The current one is more than perfect for any game!

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/109?vs=288

Here's the benchmark comparison between

Intel Core i5 750 - 2.66GHz - 1MB L2 - 8MB L3 vs Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.3GHz - 1MB L2 - 6MB L3The 2500k wins on some areas. But it's not drastic enough to warrant an upgrade.
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The question is, how were you still content with a 4770 and not an i5 750? I don't see how are maxing anything recent with that...

I had an i5 750 with cm 212+ and a hd5770 and i sold that to a friend and got a hd6950.

sammysalsa

Yeah.. I can't imagine for the life of me upgrading from an i5-750 to a 2500k and keeping a 4770.

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#29 deathxxshark
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The only reason you'd wanna upgrade to an i5 2500k would be for cooler temperatures and more overclocking, though even after some massive overclocking you still won't drastically beat your current i5 750. And also, I doubt you'd be able to sell the i5 750 for $180, let alone your expected $220. I say keep your current CPU, but upgrade your graphics card.
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#30 imprezawrx500
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you wont even notice the difference, big cost for very little gain.
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#31 Gambler_3
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[QUOTE="sammysalsa"]

The question is, how were you still content with a 4770 and not an i5 750? I don't see how are maxing anything recent with that...

I had an i5 750 with cm 212+ and a hd5770 and i sold that to a friend and got a hd6950.

hartsickdiscipl

Yeah.. I can't imagine for the life of me upgrading from an i5-750 to a 2500k and keeping a 4770.

Ya seriously wth.:?

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#32 blaznwiipspman1
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I mainly play RTS games, and not many other games except maybe left for dead 2. So with that said, the 4770 is more than enough for me, I just need a really good cpu. Also, I have sold the i5 750 plus a lga 1155 mobo for $220. I know it wasn't such a great deal for me but when you think about people spending $1000 on 2 gtx 580's....well then you can't really say anything bad about me can you? I will probably upgrade my AMD rig to a bulldozer as well later on and use that as my main rig if it beats out my 2500k. Other than that 2500k is a beast. I will probably get this board and a video card when AMD releases their 7000 series.

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#33 gmaster456
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I mainly play RTS games, and not many other games except maybe left for dead 2. So with that said, the 4770 is more than enough for me, I just need a really good cpu. Also, I have sold the i5 750 plus a lga 1155 mobo for $220. I know it wasn't such a great deal for me but when you think about people spending $1000 on 2 gtx 580's....well then you can't really say anything bad about me can you? I will probably upgrade my AMD rig to a bulldozer as well later on and use that as my main rig if it beats out my 2500k. Other than that 2500k is a beast. I will probably get this board and a video card when AMD releases their 7000 series.

blaznwiipspman1
if you were gonna get a bulldozer cpu and use that as your main rig why even bother with the 2500k? Surely the 750 wasn't that bad that you couldn't hold out another month or so?
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#34 Dante2710
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Pretty much what everyone said. Overclock it, i have mine running at 3.2ghz atm.
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#35 Bikouchu35
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How about get a 6xxx card and wait for the mainstream 6/8 cores from intel later on.

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#36 Elann2008
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Why sell the i5 750? Your current CPU already runs rounds around my 965. Not worth the jump for so much cost, and little gain.
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#37 blaznwiipspman1
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Like I said before I know that my decision wasn't very smart, BUT the upgrade cost me a net of $90, which is reasonable. I am planning to get the better motherboard so it will cost me $150 all in all. Again that is a little steep but still a good price. Thanks for bashing my choices, BUT like I said before the people who get sli and crossfire and get dual/quad card configs are alot stupider. Why get so many cards so that you can increase the bloody AA from 4x to 8x? Doesn't make sense does it? For my case all I wanted was to improve my minimum frames in starcraft 2. In huge 4v4 battles my frames would sometimes dip to around 20 with the 750. Now it stays above 30 all the time. I will probably upgrade to bulldozer during the 2nd generation and stick with my 2500k for a bit.

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Like I said before I know that my decision wasn't very smart, BUT the upgrade cost me a net of $90, which is reasonable. I am planning to get the better motherboard so it will cost me $150 all in all. Again that is a little steep but still a good price. Thanks for bashing my choices, BUT like I said before the people who get sli and crossfire and get dual/quad card configs are alot stupider. Why get so many cards so that you can increase the bloody AA from 4x to 8x? Doesn't make sense does it? For my case all I wanted was to improve my minimum frames in starcraft 2. In huge 4v4 battles my frames would sometimes dip to around 20 with the 750. Now it stays above 30 all the time. I will probably upgrade to bulldozer during the 2nd generation and stick with my 2500k for a bit.

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No they are not because with dual card you benefit in alot more than just one game.....and you are assuming that a better card would still make your FPS dip to 20, just because you got a performance increase with a new CPU doesnt mean a new graphics card wouldnt have given you anything more.

You could have upgraded to 6870 in $90 and then get a CPU cooler, would have been much wiser. It's almost laughable you didnt even try to overclock the CPU.

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#39 blaznwiipspman1
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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

Like I said before I know that my decision wasn't very smart, BUT the upgrade cost me a net of $90, which is reasonable. I am planning to get the better motherboard so it will cost me $150 all in all. Again that is a little steep but still a good price. Thanks for bashing my choices, BUT like I said before the people who get sli and crossfire and get dual/quad card configs are alot stupider. Why get so many cards so that you can increase the bloody AA from 4x to 8x? Doesn't make sense does it? For my case all I wanted was to improve my minimum frames in starcraft 2. In huge 4v4 battles my frames would sometimes dip to around 20 with the 750. Now it stays above 30 all the time. I will probably upgrade to bulldozer during the 2nd generation and stick with my 2500k for a bit.

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No they are not because with dual card you benefit in alot more than just one game.....and you are assuming that a better card would still make your FPS dip to 20, just because you got a performance increase with a new CPU doesnt mean a new graphics card wouldnt have given you anything more.

You could have upgraded to 6870 in $90 and then get a CPU cooler, would have been much wiser. It's almost laughable you didnt even try to overclock the CPU.

Lol, how do you know I didn't try to overclock my cpu? I had it oc'd at 3.33ghz and frames would still dip down below 30 in intense battles. Lets just say that I wanted the newest gadget. the 2500k is clock for clock 10-15% faster than an i5 750, AND it has the ability to overclock to over 4.5 ghz while the 750 could dream of reaching 4 ghz. A video card won't help for RTS games...its all about the cpu after a certain point. Lets say you have a gtx 580 but your cpu is a core 2 quad , I guarantee your frames will dip below 30 in huge battles, and probably even below 20. I plan on getting a better gfx card later on but for now my 4770 is more than enough.

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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

Like I said before I know that my decision wasn't very smart, BUT the upgrade cost me a net of $90, which is reasonable. I am planning to get the better motherboard so it will cost me $150 all in all. Again that is a little steep but still a good price. Thanks for bashing my choices, BUT like I said before the people who get sli and crossfire and get dual/quad card configs are alot stupider. Why get so many cards so that you can increase the bloody AA from 4x to 8x? Doesn't make sense does it? For my case all I wanted was to improve my minimum frames in starcraft 2. In huge 4v4 battles my frames would sometimes dip to around 20 with the 750. Now it stays above 30 all the time. I will probably upgrade to bulldozer during the 2nd generation and stick with my 2500k for a bit.

blaznwiipspman1

No they are not because with dual card you benefit in alot more than just one game.....and you are assuming that a better card would still make your FPS dip to 20, just because you got a performance increase with a new CPU doesnt mean a new graphics card wouldnt have given you anything more.

You could have upgraded to 6870 in $90 and then get a CPU cooler, would have been much wiser. It's almost laughable you didnt even try to overclock the CPU.

Lol, how do you know I didn't try to overclock my cpu? I had it oc'd at 3.33ghz and frames would still dip down below 30 in intense battles. Lets just say that I wanted the newest gadget. the 2500k is clock for clock 10-15% faster than an i5 750, AND it has the ability to overclock to over 4.5 ghz while the 750 could dream of reaching 4 ghz. A video card won't help for RTS games...its all about the cpu after a certain point. Lets say you have a gtx 580 but your cpu is a core 2 quad , I guarantee your frames will dip below 30 in huge battles, and probably even below 20. I plan on getting a better gfx card later on but for now my 4770 is more than enough.

How do you know that? Have you played SC2 with a GTX 580? Stop making assumptions.

And i5 750 is much better than core 2 quad, I bet that it would fare better in SC2 with a GTX 580 than sandy bridge with a 4770.

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#41 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]No they are not because with dual card you benefit in alot more than just one game.....and you are assuming that a better card would still make your FPS dip to 20, just because you got a performance increase with a new CPU doesnt mean a new graphics card wouldnt have given you anything more.

You could have upgraded to 6870 in $90 and then get a CPU cooler, would have been much wiser. It's almost laughable you didnt even try to overclock the CPU.

Gambler_3

Lol, how do you know I didn't try to overclock my cpu? I had it oc'd at 3.33ghz and frames would still dip down below 30 in intense battles. Lets just say that I wanted the newest gadget. the 2500k is clock for clock 10-15% faster than an i5 750, AND it has the ability to overclock to over 4.5 ghz while the 750 could dream of reaching 4 ghz. A video card won't help for RTS games...its all about the cpu after a certain point. Lets say you have a gtx 580 but your cpu is a core 2 quad , I guarantee your frames will dip below 30 in huge battles, and probably even below 20. I plan on getting a better gfx card later on but for now my 4770 is more than enough.

How do you know that? Have you played SC2 with a GTX 580? Stop making assumptions.

And i5 750 is much better than core 2 quad, I bet that it would fare better in SC2 with a GTX 580 than sandy bridge with a 4770.

He probably could've overclocked that i5-750 to 3.6-4.0ghz, paired it up with a GTX 560 Ti or 6950, and had a much bigger performance gain than the one he got.

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Wait, what the hell. You went from a 750 to a 2500K and you only have a 4770?
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

Lol, how do you know I didn't try to overclock my cpu? I had it oc'd at 3.33ghz and frames would still dip down below 30 in intense battles. Lets just say that I wanted the newest gadget. the 2500k is clock for clock 10-15% faster than an i5 750, AND it has the ability to overclock to over 4.5 ghz while the 750 could dream of reaching 4 ghz. A video card won't help for RTS games...its all about the cpu after a certain point. Lets say you have a gtx 580 but your cpu is a core 2 quad , I guarantee your frames will dip below 30 in huge battles, and probably even below 20. I plan on getting a better gfx card later on but for now my 4770 is more than enough.

hartsickdiscipl

How do you know that? Have you played SC2 with a GTX 580? Stop making assumptions.

And i5 750 is much better than core 2 quad, I bet that it would fare better in SC2 with a GTX 580 than sandy bridge with a 4770.

He probably could've overclocked that i5-750 to 3.6-4.0ghz, paired it up with a GTX 560 Ti or 6950, and had a much bigger performance gain than the one he got.

a typical cpu generation lasts 4-5 years while a typical gpu generation lasts around 6-7 months.....and I paid $90 to upgrade my cpu compared to over $200 for those video cards so I think its a pretty decent deal. Also SB is at a stock of 3.4 ghz and turbos to around 3.7 I believe, which is alot better than tinkering with bios settings to get to the same speeds on a 750. Also think about this....a core 2 quad 6600 which came out around 5 years ago will still sell for $120 down from its retail price of about $200. When the gtx 8800 came out 3 years ago it cost $600, now you can buy one for $50 lol. Only a fool blows his wad on a video card.

Also gambler, I may not have playeed sc2 with a gtx 580, but I did play it with an athlon II x3 435 and my same 4770, and let me tell you, playing in 4v4 battles would drop my frames down to the 10's