Sick of being a Microsoft pawn: How do I switch to an open source OS?

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#1 Bozanimal
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I'm sick of being a Microsoft pawn. If I know little about open source operating systems, where would be a good place to start learning about them? What are the pros/cons of switching from Windows? Which of the open source operating systems will be easiest for someone transferring from a Windows environment? Which will allow me to play the most games?

Thanks for any and all advice. 

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#2 GlenQuagmire
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I'm sure Microsoft will dearly miss your support and patronage.  You people whine and moan more than anyone I've ever encountered.
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#3 Einhanderkiller
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I'd recommend starting with Ubuntu.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

They have a great support forum.

http://ubuntuforums.org/ 

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#4 duxup
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Please note this forum is for PC Games talk, thanks ;)
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#5 Krall
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I moved this to the correct forum for you based on your post in Ask the Mods.
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#6 DirkVDV01
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I moved this to the correct forum for you based on your post in Ask the Mods.Krall
You beat me, Krall. I was about to do the same thing. :)
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#7 Raz0redge
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Most would consider Linux a good open-source alternative to Windows for general purpose usage. And by that I mean, for web browsing, email, photo/video editing, web development..and so on..but the one clear area where Linux is lagging behind is in the games department.

Realize that once you switch away from Windows, the list of games that you can play on your Linux-based machine will dwindle dramatically. There are software available that will allow you to run Windows within Linux on a "virtual" machine..but, as you can imagine, the performance will not be as good as running Windows natively.

Having said that..if your primary purpose for your computer is to play games, unfortunately you will have to stick with Micrsooft and Windows for a little while. For virtually everything else you can get a good Linux alternative to use, so you could dual-boot Linux and Windows.

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#8 Baselerd
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Yeah, pretty much no games are natively supported by Linux (or hardware for that matter) But if you do get linux, make sure to use beryl, it's awesome.
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#9 Krall
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[QUOTE="Krall"]I moved this to the correct forum for you based on your post in Ask the Mods.DirkVDV01
You beat me, Krall. I was about to do the same thing. :)

I may be old but my draw is fast :P

Anyway put down your 'killing spree' stick and help the lad out, this is your area of expertise :)

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#10 RazorGR
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You might want to wait a few months for XSOS 3 which will be free and will support DX10.
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#11 sam890
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Well I use Gentoo Linux

and I use Cedega to play WOW and Guild Wars

the only thing hard is to install it

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#12 Krall
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Did Apple ever release their OS for PCs or is it still only that Macs can run either that or XP/Vista?

Keep in mind I don't want any links on how to do this on the down low, I'm just asking a curious question about an OS I know nothing about ;) 

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#13 cummingspatrick
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Yes, for what you want a Linux distribution is clearly the best choice. I suggest Kubuntu if you currenlty use Windows. You can also use a dual-boot setup with windows if you want to keep windows around to use programs that are only available for Windows, like games.
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Did Apple ever release their OS for PCs or is it still only that Macs can run either that or XP/Vista? Keep in mind I don't want any links on how to do this on the down low, I'm just asking a curious question about an OS I know nothing about ;) Krall
Nope. Apple did once licensed their OS to system manufacturers, and which spawned a few "Mac clones" for a while, but then Jobs returned to Apple and that was shut down. Those discs Apple keep selling are for upgrades only.
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#15 Bozanimal
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So far the suggestions are:

  • Ubuntu
  • Kubuntu
  • Gentoo Linux
  • Cedega
  • XSOS 3
  • Beryl

I've visited the ubuntu forums (briefly), and was a bit overwhelmed. Where is a good place to get an introduction for someone with very little Unix background?

Thanks everyone! 

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#16 theragu40
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The best way to do it is to just jump in and try it out. The Ubuntu installation practically does itself. I am currently dual-booting Ubuntu and XP, and just a few months ago I knew absolutely nothing. Ubuntu is a good choice for people making the switch simply because of the sheer amount of help that is available. It is probably the most popular distribution, and therefore has arguably the best community support. You're going to have a few issues (graphics drivers in particular are hard...search for a program called 'Envy'), but once you get it working, you won't want to go back. I rarely have the urge to switch back to Windows anymore. As far as some of the suggestions you have listed...Cedega and Beryl are not distributions, but are programs for Linux. Cedega allows you to run Windows games in Linux (although it's not free...a different program called Wine does the same thing and is free), and Beryl is an extremely pretty addon for Linux that adds a bunch of cool 3d effects to your desktop.
Definitely give Ubuntu a try. The transition isn't terribly painful, and it is definitely worth it to get yourself out of the grasp of mighty Microsoft :).
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#17 Krall
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This topic is way over my head, but there was at least one Linux distro you could burn to CD and give it a whirl on your PC just to check things out. The name escapes me though.
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#18 DirkVDV01
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I would suggest none of those in the list. For somebody who wants to dive in and see what Linux is all about, I always recommend using Knoppix for a first experience. No matter what your intentions are, you need to have a first good impression of what it's all about, even in case you really would like to change operating systems right away or if you are still hesitating. Usually, you want to avoid having to plan all the changes and make all the backups to realise after installing the Linux OS that you really don't like it at all and took all that time for nothing. A Knoppix Live ISO/OS version is what I would recommend. You can find the listed Linux distro's above and my recommendation on this very good and descriptive website: Distrowatch This website or LinuxISO are great sites for information and downloading the Linux distro you want. In case you have bandwidth issues or limited download sizes due to ISP restraints, you can always look in magazine shops for Linux magazines. Almost all magazines include a CD or DVD with each issue that most of the time has at least one distro included on the included disc. Most magazines cost $10-15 and usually include instructions on how to install the OS, basic operations, how to partition a drive, etc.
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#19 theragu40
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Completely out of curiosity, what do you have against the Ubuntu Live CD, Dirk?
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#20 bwatsonz
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I would actually disagree with the recommendation of using Knoppix.  Ubuntu offers the ability to boot your system from the CD to a live operating system just as Knoppix would and then you also benefit from the ultra user-friendliness that Ubuntu is known for.

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#21 akruan
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Get a Mac, is what I did. I use OSX for everything and then I installed xp on a separate partition for gaming, you can also run linux on a mac :)
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#22 codezer0
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ubuntu won't even run on my current machine. It just throws up all over when I try to run it.

Runs fine on my oldie, though. 

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#23 codezer0
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Get a Mac, is what I did. I use OSX for everything and then I installed xp on a separate partition for gaming, you can also run linux on a mac :)akruan
And have the best of all words. :)
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#24 theragu40
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Get a Mac, is what I did. I use OSX for everything and then I installed xp on a separate partition for gaming, you can also run linux on a mac :)akruan
The problem there of course being that OSX lacks the fundamental thing that makes Linux so great: being free. Linux is free, and (nearly) every program for Linux is free. I feel like that's part of the reason the guy is switching. Also, I'm fairly certain you could install the x86 version of OSX on a PC if you really wanted to (it would take a little hackery of questionable legality, I suppose).
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#25 akruan
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[QUOTE="akruan"]Get a Mac, is what I did. I use OSX for everything and then I installed xp on a separate partition for gaming, you can also run linux on a mac :)codezer0
And have the best of all words. :)

Yes, too expand some more, OS X is the best operating system around and this is coming from someone who just bought a Mac a few months ago. Don't get me wrong, running Windows is essential if you are a gamer and I've been a PC addict all my life. And I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy but you do get the best of both worlds, Linux is good but it doesn't have the support that there is outthere for windows or mac and frankly hopes for linux don't look too good, there are too many distributions out there(I guess that's the pro) But Macs these days run both OS X and Windows natively. That means you can use Final Cut Pro to edit video and play Counter Strike after. It truly is the best of all words.  

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#26 codezer0
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But if you want to run Linux apps on OS X, all you have to do then is install X11 from Apple. Simple.
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#27 akruan
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[QUOTE="akruan"]Get a Mac, is what I did. I use OSX for everything and then I installed xp on a separate partition for gaming, you can also run linux on a mac :)theragu40
The problem there of course being that OSX lacks the fundamental thing that makes Linux so great: being free. Linux is free, and (nearly) every program for Linux is free. I feel like that's part of the reason the guy is switching. Also, I'm fairly certain you could install the x86 version of OSX on a PC if you really wanted to (it would take a little hackery of questionable legality, I suppose).

 

Oh, well if he wants something free then Linux is the way to go.

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#28 DirkVDV01
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Completely out of curiosity, what do you have against the Ubuntu Live CD, Dirk?theragu40
I don't see anywhere in my post saying that Ubuntu shouldn't be used. But Ubunty has a lot of trouble (anybody remember the trouble with Edgy Eft, they even had to put an entire forum section online to help all the people who complained about it.) I sure hope the new version (feisty bla bla bla) is going to be stable. I wouldn't recommend an OS that looks stable in the Live OS version, but destroys your experience when you install it. Furthermore, it just proves the lack of knowledge... different window managers can be activated from the boot prompt. All simply activated with a Desktop=[name of window manager] at the prompt... So, in case this gave you questionmarks... read this
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#29 DirkVDV01
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Ubunty... LOL That's what happens when you start mixing Ubuntu with Bounty... I need some coffee. :P
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#30 theragu40
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[QUOTE="theragu40"]Completely out of curiosity, what do you have against the Ubuntu Live CD, Dirk?DirkVDV01
I don't see anywhere in my post saying that Ubuntu shouldn't be used. But Ubunty has a lot of trouble (anybody remember the trouble with Edgy Eft, they even had to put an entire forum section online to help all the people who complained about it.) I sure hope the new version (feisty bla bla bla) is going to be stable. I wouldn't recommend an OS that looks stable in the Live OS version, but destroys your experience when you install it. Furthermore, it just proves the lack of knowledge... different window managers can be activated from the boot prompt. All simply activated with a Desktop=[name of window manager] at the prompt... So, in case this gave you questionmarks... read this

You didn't mention it specifically, you just said you wouldn't go for anything in his list, which included Ubuntu. I'm not here to violently defend Ubuntu or anything...I've just had a really positive experience with it so far (I use Edgy). Stability has been less than an issue for me. I don't worry about it at all...perhaps it's just differences in our hardware that mine runs so smoothly but it's unstable for you. Or it's possible I was just lucky. Who knows? I've been utterly pleased with Ubuntu so far, and like I said, I started off as a complete Linux noob. As for the second part of your post...I'm not sure what you mean. I'm aware that there are different window managers to choose from...Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE...and Beryl is really a kind of window manager I suppose. Are you just referring to Knoppix's ability to switch between different windows managers at boot?
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#31 DirkVDV01
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I meant to say that there is really lack of choice with Ubuntu: it's GNOME for WM, and that's it. With knoppix, you can choose between more then 5 WM's, while Ubuntu is a "take it or leave it"-scenario. Default on Knoppix is KDE, so even if you don't know those prompt commands, you still get to see a WM.
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#32 K_r_a_u_s_e_r
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I like Ubuntu but it will not run on my hardware at all, though SUSE does the job.
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#33 Bozanimal
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I like Ubuntu but it will not run on my hardware at all, though SUSE does the job.K_r_a_u_s_e_r

I think I'm going to try Xubuntu. My computer is old (Athlon Thunderbird 1Ghz), so I'm hoping this will run quickly and efficiently, while providing access to all the major functions I'll need.

I'm crossing my fingers! Thanks for all the help everyone, and let me know if you have any further suggestions for an opensource n00b, or apprehensions regarding Xubuntu!