So Bioware has screwed me and a ton of people out of their money on STWOR?

Like a zillion people i bought the game just to find out that after purchase you have to pony up front some type of monetary payment identification to activate your account to cnotinue playing the game after the grace period.

What in the hell is this!

nowhere does it say on the origin site that you will have to actually pay or subscribeanother month up front just to get your first month of free game time!

This is really misleading and should have been described up front when you buy the product and not after wards when you have to go thru several steps to get to play. Why should i pay or subscribe another month up front or have to "identify" myself with a credit card when WOW doesn't do that ( as far as i know ).

here is the terms at the bottom of the EA website. It does tell you that you will have to subscribe but not 2 basically pay 2 months up front!

I hope this causes a lot of rage and that they get what they deserve for that shady business practice! I am seriously thinking of complaining to the BBB and trying to get a refund for the game. This is unacceptable.

You pay for the game you get 30 days with it, you play your 30 days, if you wanna play more then you subscribe or get cut out...this is horrendous!

Like a zillion people i bought the game just to find out that after purchase you have to pony up front some type of monetary payment identification to activate your account to cnotinue playing the game after the grace period.

What in the hell is this!

nowhere does it say on the origin site that you will have to actually pay or subscribeanother month up front just to get your first month of free game time!

This is really misleading and should have been described up front when you buy the product and not after wards when you have to go thru several steps to get to play. Why should i pay or subscribe another month up front or have to "identify" myself with a credit card when WOW doesn't do that ( as far as i know ).

here is the terms at the bottom of the EA website. It does tell you that you will have to subscribe but not 2 basically pay 2 months up front!

I hope this causes a lot of rage and that they get what they deserve for that shady business practice! I am seriously thinking of complaining to the BBB and trying to get a refund for the game. This is unacceptable.

You pay for the game you get 30 days with it, you play your 30 days, if you wanna play more then you subscribe or get cut out...this is horrendous!

kokonut1971

There really isn't much of a problem to be honest. Once you've activated the subscription, the game will give you your 30 days free, it won't charge any extra money and you can immediately cancel the subscription as well.

WoW also does this, and pretty much every other "mainstream pay to play" mmorpg game have done so and will continue to do so as well.

The only problem is if you intend to pay with game cards, in which case, you should still use your credit card, paypal, or an acquaintance's credit card (since it won't charge anyway).


Soooo yeah....

To be honest, I can't recall any pay to play MMO (and I've played tons) that didn't require credit card info to start playing the game, even during the free month period. It seems to be standard practice.

I don't get what the problem is ??? You didn't know this is a P2P game ????EA gave you 1 month free and your mad about that ???? I don't understand how you feel like you where tricked. STWOR is a P2P game.

I don't get what the problem is ??? You didn't know this is a P2P game ????EA gave you 1 month free and your mad about that ???? I don't understand how you feel like you where tricked. STWOR is a P2P game.

lge777

It is my understanding that BEFORE you can access your "free" 30 days you have to set up a payment option (i.e. give your credit card details). That is what the TC is complaining about, they are not complaining about being giving a "free" period or that the game is P2P.

Whilst it is a practice I do not agree with (and one of the reasons why I never touch MMO's with a barge pole) it is something that is "standard" these days with MMO's.

the point is that the seller should have told people up front of this scheme and they did not. I did the wow sub thing a while ago but it was to verify if you entitled to play the game legally not some mombo jumbo about getting you into a subscription right off the bat ( probable has changed now and no one was the wiser to complain about it ) And why in the hell make people go thru a whole registration process if they "know" that you are gonna cancel 2 minutes after this is done. It does not make any sense.

When i go gas my car i pay for the gaz i am gonna put in the car which will give me x amount of time to run the vehicle also when i gaz my car i am not paying the gaz up front the gaz i am going to use when the next time my car gets empty. Imagine if the real retail world would charge you in advance in some shape or form for whatever you are buying everywhere. Imagine how the economy would go.

I have to go to the pump and do a refill and off i go. I know it might be a business practice but it sure as hell is incovenient for people who A: dont have a credit card or paypal account or B cannot use both at this time! And trust me a lot of people are complaining about this on the official forum!

Ok my gaming time is banked for when i really activate my account but this blows.

[QUOTE="lge777"]

I don't get what the problem is ??? You didn't know this is a P2P game ????EA gave you 1 month free and your mad about that ???? I don't understand how you feel like you where tricked. STWOR is a P2P game.

charmingcharlie

It is my understanding that BEFORE you can access your "free" 30 days you have to set up a payment option (i.e. give your credit card details). That is what the TC is complaining about, they are not complaining about being giving a "free" period or that the game is P2P.

Whilst it is a practice I do not agree with (and one of the reasons why I never touch MMO's with a barge pole) it is something that is "standard" these days with MMO's.

That is standard for all P2P games...EA didn't get over or cheat them, they can alway cancel there account if they don't like the game.. And If that is the case i would be more upset on dropping 60-100$ on a crap game then P2P..but SWTOR isn't a crap game, WOW (P2P) and RoM(F2P) are better..But SWTOR is still a good game.

the point is that the seller should have told people up front of this scheme and they did not. I did the wow sub thing a while ago but it was to verify if you entitled to play the game legally not some mombo jumbo about getting you into a subscription right off the bat ( probable has changed now and no one was the wiser to complain about it ) And why in the hell make people go thru a whole registration process if they "know" that you are gonna cancel 2 minutes after this is done. It does not make any sense.

When i go gas my car i pay for the gaz i am gonna put in the car which will give me x amount of time to run the vehicle also when i gaz my car i am not paying the gaz up front the gaz i am going to use when the next time my car gets empty. Imagine if the real retail world would charge you in advance in some shape or form for whatever you are buying everywhere. Imagine how the economy would go.

I have to go to the pump and do a refill and off i go. I know it might be a business practice but it sure as hell is incovenient for people who A: dont have a credit card or paypal account or B cannot use both at this time! And trust me a lot of people are complaining about this on the official forum!

Ok my gaming time is banked for when i really activate my account but this blows.

kokonut1971

That is standard for all P2P games...EA didn't get over or cheat them, they can alway cancel there account if they don't like the game.. And If that is the case i would be more upset on dropping 60-100$ on a crap game then P2P..but SWTOR isn't a crap game, WOW (P2P) and RoM(F2P) are better..But SWTOR is still a good game.lge777

Yes I know that I even said that it is a "standard practice", it happens to be a standard practice I do not personally agree with so I steer clear of any MMO whether they are "good" or "crap". Note that is just ONE of the reasons why I stay away from MMO's. I was just clarifying why the TC was complaining. I understand why he is complaining, even though it is a standard practice all MMO's do it does not make it any more legitimate, it is a shady practice designed to get you to set up a payment scheme then forget about it.

[QUOTE="lge777"]That is standard for all P2P games...EA didn't get over or cheat them, they can alway cancel there account if they don't like the game.. And If that is the case i would be more upset on dropping 60-100$ on a crap game then P2P..but SWTOR isn't a crap game, WOW (P2P) and RoM(F2P) are better..But SWTOR is still a good game.charmingcharlie

Yes I know that I even said that it is a "standard practice", it happens to be a standard practice I do not personally agree with so I steer clear of any MMO whether they are "good" or "crap". Note that is just ONE of the reasons why I stay away from MMO's. I was just clarifying why the TC was complaining. I understand why he is complaining, even though it is a standard practice all MMO's do it does not make it any more legitimate, it is a shady practice designed to get you to set up a payment scheme then forget about it.

This is the same as almost all mmo's of the past..

[QUOTE="kokonut1971"]

the point is that the seller should have told people up front of this scheme and they did not. I did the wow sub thing a while ago but it was to verify if you entitled to play the game legally not some mombo jumbo about getting you into a subscription right off the bat ( probable has changed now and no one was the wiser to complain about it ) And why in the hell make people go thru a whole registration process if they "know" that you are gonna cancel 2 minutes after this is done. It does not make any sense.

When i go gas my car i pay for the gaz i am gonna put in the car which will give me x amount of time to run the vehicle also when i gaz my car i am not paying the gaz up front the gaz i am going to use when the next time my car gets empty. Imagine if the real retail world would charge you in advance in some shape or form for whatever you are buying everywhere. Imagine how the economy would go.

I have to go to the pump and do a refill and off i go. I know it might be a business practice but it sure as hell is incovenient for people who A: dont have a credit card or paypal account or B cannot use both at this time! And trust me a lot of people are complaining about this on the official forum!

Ok my gaming time is banked for when i really activate my account but this blows.

IxX3xil3d0n3XxI

It is standard practice because companies are making it happen and people blisffully let it pass by so now every company that dishes out an MMO does this. Just because a person commits a crime and call it "standard pratice" in his own little twisted world does not entitled me to be able to do the same. Why should company get away with such practices?

It is not the end of the world for me because i have many games to play but it leaves me with a damn sour taste towards the start financial model that this company has taken to bill its people.

[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

[QUOTE="lge777"]That is standard for all P2P games...EA didn't get over or cheat them, they can alway cancel there account if they don't like the game.. And If that is the case i would be more upset on dropping 60-100$ on a crap game then P2P..but SWTOR isn't a crap game, WOW (P2P) and RoM(F2P) are better..But SWTOR is still a good game.IxX3xil3d0n3XxI

Yes I know that I even said that it is a "standard practice", it happens to be a standard practice I do not personally agree with so I steer clear of any MMO whether they are "good" or "crap". Note that is just ONE of the reasons why I stay away from MMO's. I was just clarifying why the TC was complaining. I understand why he is complaining, even though it is a standard practice all MMO's do it does not make it any more legitimate, it is a shady practice designed to get you to set up a payment scheme then forget about it.

I have nothing against the company asking to set up an account to continue to play after my 30 days are done. But witholding my 30 days hostage until i set up a subscription is close to highway robbery. I should be the one deciding when and if i want to come back to the game on my own terms. A company should not have to twist my arm and make me use my ccard to have to "start" my subscription.

Oh and by the way, i am sure you can cancel your subscription but the company says on the site ( finally) that they will charge you all applicable taxes when you subscribe.

Try to get that money back when you cancel, and also try to get the admin fees that some credit card charges for verifying your ID or processing your transaction when you cancel.

i dont think you will get those miscellaneous fees back. Oh and same goes with the Paypal fees... as soon as you use paypal no matter what you do. you will end up paying a percentage of your transaction to them. i know i have been ------- by paypal for a dollar charge and 2 nsf fees of 40$ each and there was nothing i could do about it they had it all figured out to cover themselves.

example: you set up your account to use paypal as a payment for your subscription and then you go to africa to go rhino hunting. your forget to cancel your account and you have no way of putting money on your account also. guess what....PPal will ------ so bad it is not going to be funny.... you watch, i know it is gonna happen...

Like a zillion people i bought the game just to find out that after purchase you have to pony up front some type of monetary payment identification to activate your account to cnotinue playing the game after the grace period.

What in the hell is this!

nowhere does it say on the origin site that you will have to actually pay or subscribeanother month up front just to get your first month of free game time!

This is really misleading and should have been described up front when you buy the product and not after wards when you have to go thru several steps to get to play. Why should i pay or subscribe another month up front or have to "identify" myself with a credit card when WOW doesn't do that ( as far as i know ).

here is the terms at the bottom of the EA website. It does tell you that you will have to subscribe but not 2 basically pay 2 months up front!

I hope this causes a lot of rage and that they get what they deserve for that shady business practice! I am seriously thinking of complaining to the BBB and trying to get a refund for the game. This is unacceptable.

You pay for the game you get 30 days with it, you play your 30 days, if you wanna play more then you subscribe or get cut out...this is horrendous!

kokonut1971

Uh, you've got to be the only person left on the planet that does not know you have to have a form of payment attached to your account to start playing an MMO.

Then don't play it TC, if it really bothers you that much.

Any consumer should be fully aware of monthly autodrafts they have set up. Wouldnt go so far as to call it a scheme. I would personally consider it a hassle if i had to manually pay each month. IxX3xil3d0n3XxI

No one is saying you should have to set it up EVERY MONTH. The complaint here is that before he can play the game he has to set up a payment scheme which automatically activates unless he cancels it. A more consumer friendly (yeah I know it seems to be a dirty term with gamers these days) way of doing things is allow the person to play their 30 day period then set up a payment scheme if they wish to continue playing the game.

[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"][QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

Yes I know that I even said that it is a "standard practice", it happens to be a standard practice I do not personally agree with so I steer clear of any MMO whether they are "good" or "crap". Note that is just ONE of the reasons why I stay away from MMO's. I was just clarifying why the TC was complaining. I understand why he is complaining, even though it is a standard practice all MMO's do it does not make it any more legitimate, it is a shady practice designed to get you to set up a payment scheme then forget about it.

kokonut1971

I have nothing against the company asking to set up an account to continue to play after my 30 days are done. But witholding my 30 days hostage until i set up a subscription is close to highway robbery. I should be the one deciding when and if i want to come back to the game on my own terms. A company should not have to twist my arm and make me use my ccard to have to "start" my subscription.

Oh and by the way, i am sure you can cancel your subscription but the company says on the site ( finally) that they will charge you all applicable taxes when you subscribe.

Try to get that money back when you cancel, and also try to get the admin fees that some credit card charges for verifying your ID or processing your transaction when you cancel.

i dont think you will get those miscellaneous fees back. Oh and same goes with the Paypal fees... as soon as you use paypal no matter what you do. you will end up paying a percentage of your transaction to them. i know i have been ------- by paypal for a dollar charge and 2 nsf fees of 40$ each and there was nothing i could do about it they had it all figured out to cover themselves.

example: you set up your account to use paypal as a payment for your subscription and then you go to africa to go rhino hunting. your forget to cancel your account and you have no way of putting money on your account also. guess what....PPal will ------ so bad it is not going to be funny.... you watch, i know it is gonna happen...

LOL thats a deep and well thought out complaint..BUT still doesn't make any sense becuase it goes back to it's a P2P game and they will give you 1 month FREE but even if you go back to "Everquest" THE Orginal MMO you still had to set up a payment option before you could play and Sony also gave you 1 month free and that was from the very 1st MMO

To be honest, I can't recall any pay to play MMO (and I've played tons) that didn't require credit card info to start playing the game, even during the free month period. It seems to be standard practice.

MyopicCanadian

It most likely says somewhere "subscription required".

I didn't have to do this with WoW way back when. Maybe it's standard now, but not in the past. I remember I started the 10 day trial. I then bought the classic game for $20 and entered it in my account. That added 30 days to my left over trial time. After that I used game cards for about 6 months before finally using credit card. I never had to put a credit card in until I wanted to. Maybe it's changed now because of gold farmers, but Ididn't have to back in 2005. It's still 30 days free though even if you have to put a card number in. You just have to jump through a few hoops.

I have nothing against the company asking to set up an account to continue to play after my 30 days are done. But witholding my 30 days hostage until i set up a subscription is close to highway robbery. I should be the one deciding when and if i want to come back to the game on my own terms. A company should not have to twist my arm and make me use my ccard to have to "start" my subscription.

Oh and by the way, i am sure you can cancel your subscription but the company says on the site ( finally) that they will charge you all applicable taxes when you subscribe.

Try to get that money back when you cancel, and also try to get the admin fees that some credit card charges for verifying your ID or processing your transaction when you cancel.

i dont think you will get those miscellaneous fees back. Oh and same goes with the Paypal fees... as soon as you use paypal no matter what you do. you will end up paying a percentage of your transaction to them. i know i have been ------- by paypal for a dollar charge and 2 nsf fees of 40$ each and there was nothing i could do about it they had it all figured out to cover themselves.

example: you set up your account to use paypal as a payment for your subscription and then you go to africa to go rhino hunting. your forget to cancel your account and you have no way of putting money on your account also. guess what....PPal will ------ so bad it is not going to be funny.... you watch, i know it is gonna happen...

kokonut1971

[spoiler] Just in case you're one of those too long, didn't read people - gist is, it's your own fault you can't read or follow directions. [/spoiler]

It's a marketing strategy to play off people's ignorance/forgetfulness. Much like Mail In Rebates (MIRs).

Yes, companies will get you your money back for MIRs if you fill in the forms correctly (follow simple directions, you'd be surprised how many people can't do this and get their rebate rejected) and mailed in before the due date....companies are banking on the idea that majority of the people won't hassle with the forms or forget. Then a good chunk of people sending forms in won't follow directions correctly and get their rebate denied, leaving a small group of people actually getting money returned.

Same thing applies to these business running MMOs. They make it a requirement (not against any laws) that you need a payment (CC or PayPal) to setup an account. They hope there are those that will forget they setup a CC to do a recurring payment plan in hopes the person might forget (even if they stop playing the game before the free 30-day trial). When this happens, the company bills you again because you agreed to it. Generally after that happens, people realize they forgot to cancel their account and there's nothing they can do but moan and complain and not get any money back....after all, it is their own fault.

Now, if you don't agree with these business practices, then don't support them. It is your own reponsiblity to realize what service(s) out there require these things and avoid them. If you can't do this, it's your own fault for not being able to follow directions.

Do I personally agree with them.....yes and no. Yes in the sense that people need to learn responsiblity and pay attention to things and no in the sense that I don't like when businesses take advantage of the average person. What these companies do, unless proven otherwise, is not against any law or different from any other company and practices that are out there.

While you can voice your opinion about this, it's not going to change. I hope this helps you out some, though I'm sure it's of little comfort.

**edited to fix spelling errors**

New to MMO's? I didn't even read all the posts but is this serious? ALL PAY TO PLAY GAMES REQUIRE PAYMENT INFO TO ACTIVATE THE GAME... Name em', WoW, Aion, Rift, etc. Lock thread?

I agree it is a shady practice. They do it so that maybe people who don't like it will forget to cancel and still get charged a month. Magazines have started doing this a lot too.guynamedbilly

What he is telling he paid 1 time and then when entering game he needed to pay 1 another time to play. So with one payment he could not play. I say this is scamming :)

MonsterMMORPG

Like a zillion people i bought the game just to find out that after purchase you have to pony up front some type of monetary payment identification to activate your account to cnotinue playing the game after the grace period.

What in the hell is this!

nowhere does it say on the origin site that you will have to actually pay or subscribeanother month up front just to get your first month of free game time!

This is really misleading and should have been described up front when you buy the product and not after wards when you have to go thru several steps to get to play. Why should i pay or subscribe another month up front or have to "identify" myself with a credit card when WOW doesn't do that ( as far as i know ).

here is the terms at the bottom of the EA website. It does tell you that you will have to subscribe but not 2 basically pay 2 months up front!

I hope this causes a lot of rage and that they get what they deserve for that shady business practice! I am seriously thinking of complaining to the BBB and trying to get a refund for the game. This is unacceptable.

You pay for the game you get 30 days with it, you play your 30 days, if you wanna play more then you subscribe or get cut out...this is horrendous!

kokonut1971

[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"][QUOTE="kokonut1971"]

the point is that the seller should have told people up front of this scheme and they did not. I did the wow sub thing a while ago but it was to verify if you entitled to play the game legally not some mombo jumbo about getting you into a subscription right off the bat ( probable has changed now and no one was the wiser to complain about it ) And why in the hell make people go thru a whole registration process if they "know" that you are gonna cancel 2 minutes after this is done. It does not make any sense.

When i go gas my car i pay for the gaz i am gonna put in the car which will give me x amount of time to run the vehicle also when i gaz my car i am not paying the gaz up front the gaz i am going to use when the next time my car gets empty. Imagine if the real retail world would charge you in advance in some shape or form for whatever you are buying everywhere. Imagine how the economy would go.

I have to go to the pump and do a refill and off i go. I know it might be a business practice but it sure as hell is incovenient for people who A: dont have a credit card or paypal account or B cannot use both at this time! And trust me a lot of people are complaining about this on the official forum!

Ok my gaming time is banked for when i really activate my account but this blows.

kokonut1971

It is standard practice because companies are making it happen and people blisffully let it pass by so now every company that dishes out an MMO does this. Just because a person commits a crime and call it "standard pratice" in his own little twisted world does not entitled me to be able to do the same. Why should company get away with such practices?

It is not the end of the world for me because i have many games to play but it leaves me with a damn sour taste towards the start financial model that this company has taken to bill its people.

[QUOTE="IxX3xil3d0n3XxI"][QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

Yes I know that I even said that it is a "standard practice", it happens to be a standard practice I do not personally agree with so I steer clear of any MMO whether they are "good" or "crap". Note that is just ONE of the reasons why I stay away from MMO's. I was just clarifying why the TC was complaining. I understand why he is complaining, even though it is a standard practice all MMO's do it does not make it any more legitimate, it is a shady practice designed to get you to set up a payment scheme then forget about it.

kokonut1971

I have nothing against the company asking to set up an account to continue to play after my 30 days are done. But witholding my 30 days hostage until i set up a subscription is close to highway robbery. I should be the one deciding when and if i want to come back to the game on my own terms. A company should not have to twist my arm and make me use my ccard to have to "start" my subscription.

Oh and by the way, i am sure you can cancel your subscription but the company says on the site ( finally) that they will charge you all applicable taxes when you subscribe.

Try to get that money back when you cancel, and also try to get the admin fees that some credit card charges for verifying your ID or processing your transaction when you cancel.

i dont think you will get those miscellaneous fees back. Oh and same goes with the Paypal fees... as soon as you use paypal no matter what you do. you will end up paying a percentage of your transaction to them. i know i have been ------- by paypal for a dollar charge and 2 nsf fees of 40$ each and there was nothing i could do about it they had it all figured out to cover themselves.

example: you set up your account to use paypal as a payment for your subscription and then you go to africa to go rhino hunting. your forget to cancel your account and you have no way of putting money on your account also. guess what....PPal will ------ so bad it is not going to be funny.... you watch, i know it is gonna happen...

There should be no fees (or taxes or anything else) charged to your card until the end of the free month. If you see a charge I would report that. However I don't think it's unreasonable to require players to set up an account in order to use the 'free' month. If you accept an offer for a free month at your local Gym, they'll also want to add your name and ID to their books before letting you in. The same is true for pretty much all free months offers regardless of industry. There's an additional aspect that EA (Or blizzard or Turbine or Sony) want to know who's playing, want to know who to contact or if you cheat or grief they'll want to know who they are banning. In short they want to know who they are giving access to their game.

I can see the dilemma and I understand your complaint, but I don't think the requirement is unreasonable as long as there are no extra charges if you cancel within the first month.