So CRT really looks better than LCD?

I'm getting a newLCD 32" TV for gaming, movies and otherwise watching. I understand that everything looks better on LCD. Shouldn't it? But I've heard rumors that CRTs kinda look better or something like that. Is this crap true?

I'm expecting that my games will look better on LCD, movies will be more enjoyable, plus the sound will be better(clear, enjoyable + added bass).

Will I get what I expect?

Yes CRT will beat out a LCD. A CRT can have some very deep blacks allowing for an almost unlimited contrast ratio.

It goes like this CRT>Plasma>LCD (Some plasmas namely the new Panasonic VT20 and 25 come close,while plasmas such as the Pioneer Elite Kuro come into CRT level with near absolute blacks and almost perfect colour accuracy). Though when it comes down to it CRT is better than LCD.

Though CRTs obviously have limitations such as power consumption, weight and screen size. There is a reason Videophiles still like CRTs.

Everything about CRTs are superior to LCDs save for size, weight, energy efficiency, and long-term reliability of image quality.

The real issue is that you can no longer find high quality CRTs made.

CRT's are known for their color accuracy, which is something that LCD hasn't quite come close to. But I think that's where LED will make up the difference. Plasma was the closest flat-panel technology to have the same color accuracy, but then you still have to deal with burn-in issues, and the fact that Plasma displays of any kind will suck up more power than an equivalent LCD, much less an LED display. LED now is basically the "best of all worlds", having the kind of color accuracy a Plasma is capable of, and using far less power. The only downside with LED is the premium charged upon it for a good model. CRT's also bothered me for many reasons: - they would go in to "flicker-fits" as they got older, or even depending on some of them would do so simply as you're receiving a call on a nearby cell phone - Text would only actually look clear on the very center of the screen, and fuzzy everywhere else - No amount of calibrating on ANY CRT's provided tools will ever get a perfectly even and straight picture. I have tried for years with several different CRT monitors, and finally just gave up with every one of them. And it would magically lose these settings upon a resolution change. - despite the claims, Degauss has never fixed anything it claimed to resolve. ever. My girlfriend still seems to prefer CRT's, despite the fact that hers is gradually going south. She does a lot of art though, so she is admittedly picky about such things. but I still fail to see the difference.codezer0

1. "was" :? It is...

2. There are no burn in issues on any new plasma. When I say new, I mean a plasma made in the last 3-5 years.

3. No LCD with LED backlighting comes close to matching a plasma.

Not in my epxerience. Plenty of freshly burned in plasma's out there even now. Even so, I would never have one for the sheer fact that it's a room roaster and sucks power like a politician goes through campaign contributions. And having seen many, many LCD's, LED's, and Plasmas in person at several stores with my roommate in helping him find the best one, it was clear that any benefit that Plasma had has been basically eliminated with a good LED. The only thing I regret with helping him choose that Samsung LED now is that he won't let me put my consoles on it, and makes my little Vizio 1080p LCD look like a midget by comparison. :Pcodezer0

What are you going on about? Clearly your experience does not represent Plasma TVs what so ever. Plasma is better then LCD/LED in every way aside from power. And you must have seen some of the worst plasmas or older plasmas to see burn in, because it just does not happen anymore.

Honestly a CRT tv will be harsh on your eyes compared to a LCD. I have 2 very different TV's in my room. A 40 inch LCD and a 32 inch CRT. The LCD displays high def dish connection flawlessly, just like a CRT would. But once you get into the modern games that are more built around HD TV's you will not be so impressed with CRT's performance. Not only is theprint much harder to make out, but (at least in my case) there are horizontal lines that plague my CRT TV's screen. Its quite annoying, I still use my CRT every day because not all channels I watch on Dish are in HD, so that's where the CRT comes in to play. Also the CRT is great for Guitar Hero. Your really better off running dual screens. I don't think I could live not knowing I have at least 2 TV's at my disposal :P

EDIT: After looking over the replys more, I just wanted to state that my 32 inch CRT is very high quality. Its a GE brand TV I picked up in the paper adds for free. The guy that was giving it a way didn't know what he was doing and didn't realize that the Auxiliary channel is 00. So his loss my gain. The lines only appear while playing modern games on my Xbox 360 or PS3.

CRT is better for online play since there's no lag, but you'd have to look pretty hard for a CRT that has better picture quality than a LCD.

I find it extremely hard to believe a CRT beats a plasma. I can't believe the richness in color of some plasmas. Also with CRT monitors they constantly gave me headaches so I am glad I am no longer using one.

DeViLzzz

Exactly, I have no regrets leaving my crt monitor in the bin. I had minor headaches after a few hours of use on the crt something which is unfound with any lcd monitors I used for the past six or so years.

because it just does not happen anymore.

NVIDIATI

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because it just does not happen anymore.

YoungSinatra25

No its not incorrect, obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but at this point you would almost have to go out of your way to have burn in occur.

http://reviews.cnet.com/plasma-burn-in-seven-things-you-need-to-know/

Here is a quote that would apply here:

"You might have heard somewhere along the line that playing video games on a plasma can lead to burn-in. The idea is that if some sort of fixed icon is always on the screen during a game, that image will end up ghosted onto your screen forever. Again, this just isn't a real risk these days, particularly if you follow the first 100-hours rule and mix a little TV watching in with your gaming." cnet 2008

In general the whole "plasmas have burn in" is not true, and that's not opinion based.

The only other time burn in can happen aside from the TV being misused, is if you buy a low end brand.

"When we review plasmas here at CNET, most of them--including many budget models--don't experience any problems with burn-in. However, we recently ran into an inexpensive Insignia model that was clearly more prone to this phenomenon." cnet 2008

because it just does not happen anymore.

I agree with brown_flame.

People claiming they have "zero lag" on their LCD TV are completely wrong. There is no LCD that has anywhere near close to zero lag. You've just gotten used to it and perceive it as the standard speed. Thats not the same as no input lag.

i own a 46" sharp aquos, and gaming on it is epic, and i can never, and i mean never, go back to crt. I see no lag on my lcd tv. one of my friend actually games on a 13 inch crt tv, i apparently think its torture but hes so used to it that when he comes over to my house to game, he cant play on my tv lol, so i unno i guess it all comes down to preferences, but LCD is a great technology, crt doesnt really exist anymore, u may find it as a crt projection or dlp but over all gamin on those suck, expecially if u had a taste of lcd.brown_flame

[QUOTE="brown_flame"]i own a 46" sharp aquos, and gaming on it is epic, and i can never, and i mean never, go back to crt. I see no lag on my lcd tv. one of my friend actually games on a 13 inch crt tv, i apparently think its torture but hes so used to it that when he comes over to my house to game, he cant play on my tv lol, so i unno i guess it all comes down to preferences, but LCD is a great technology, crt doesnt really exist anymore, u may find it as a crt projection or dlp but over all gamin on those suck, expecially if u had a taste of lcd.NVIDIATI

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[QUOTE="brown_flame"]i own a 46" sharp aquos, and gaming on it is epic, and i can never, and i mean never, go back to crt. I see no lag on my lcd tv. one of my friend actually games on a 13 inch crt tv, i apparently think its torture but hes so used to it that when he comes over to my house to game, he cant play on my tv lol, so i unno i guess it all comes down to preferences, but LCD is a great technology, crt doesnt really exist anymore, u may find it as a crt projection or dlp but over all gamin on those suck, expecially if u had a taste of lcd.brown_flame

While your "experience" may or may not have taken place, your personal input on the matter is not a fact. Its an opinion. The reason I question these "experiences" is because your opinion seems to be out of line with the actuality of CRT's and there capability/picture quality.

but do crt's come in 1080p 100hz? resolution is important to me

but do crt's come in 1080p 100hz? resolution is important to me

spliff_man

CRT monitors could yes, and higher than 1080p too. Not sure if any TVs made ever supported higher than 720p/1080i.

When the original thread poster has agreed with me, then there isnt much left to argue with u, my work here is done, i came to let TheDarkSpot kno of my experiance and advice, thats all, so u can agree or disagree it wont matter much. i hope i didnt offend u, as my post was never directed towards u in the first place.brown_flame

[QUOTE="brown_flame"]When the original thread poster has agreed with me, then there isnt much left to argue with u, my work here is done, i came to let TheDarkSpot kno of my experiance and advice, thats all, so u can agree or disagree it wont matter much. i hope i didnt offend u, as my post was never directed towards u in the first place.NVIDIATI

I'm getting an LCD TV so I want to believe that LCD is better. Also, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn3tQv9bkO4This TV really seems better than an average CRT. In every way.
I haven't fully experienced an LCD yet. But I wanna stop gaming on a CRT. I do believe that everything on LCD is more enjoyable. Like I said when I created the topic, I expect that gaming will look better overall, movie-watching will be better overall and that the sound will be better. My 21" CRT doesn't seem to have any bass. I did get to try out a bigger CRT TV that had heavy bass if set right and driving a muscle car in Need for Speed - Undercover was a blast then. I expect an LCD TV to have the same kind of sound as the bigger CRT TV I mentioned, if not better.
It's said that LCD also has clearer and sharper picture. If that's true then I don't see why LCD shouldn't be better than CRT. I do know about the color and contrast crap, though.

I'm getting an LCD TV so I want to believe that LCD is better. Also, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn3tQv9bkO4This TV really seems better than an average CRT. In every way.
I haven't fully experienced an LCD yet. But I wanna stop gaming on a CRT. I do believe that everything on LCD is more enjoyable. Like I said when I created the topic, I expect that gaming will look better overall, movie-watching will be better overall and that the sound will be better. My 21" CRT doesn't seem to have any bass. I did get to try out a bigger CRT TV that had heavy bass if set right and driving a muscle car in Need for Speed - Undercover was a blast then. I expect an LCD TV to have the same kind of sound as the bigger CRT TV I mentioned, if not better.
It's said that LCD also has clearer and sharper picture. If that's true then I don't see why LCD shouldn't be better than CRT. I do know about the color and contrast crap, though.

TheDarkSpot

good luck to u on ur new LCD tv, i have honeslty have to say, i was in a similar situation, I was looking to buy and was comparing a rear LED/crt projection tv, a front projection projector, and a plasma , and a LCD, and while i chkd different brands and types with gameplay and movies, i have to say lcd came out is a successor for me. so, i ended up getting a sharp 46 aquos LCD tv, and i have not regretted my decision, and LG makes great LCD tvs as well.

All I know is my Sony Bravia 32" LED-LCD blows away my SD CRT. Colors just pop off the screen on the LCD, and I get much deeper blacks than my previous CRT model (which was about 6 years old JVC flat tube CRT model). My old tube on a black screen would still emit dim light into the room and the screen itself would look almost grey. With my new TV the room goes into total darkness during a dark screen and I can't even tell if the TV is still on - until the scene turns light again of course. So personally I do not even buy the "superior black levels" argument unless you are talking about a videophile quality CRT. For the CRT that most people had as their television sets even an average LED-LCD like the Sony will outperform the average CRT easily (IMHO). HD CRT TELEVISION sets were made for a VERY short time so they are hard to track down at all, nevermind the weight/size disadvantage.

Now for PC monitor use a CRT might have had some different advantages and better performance (much lower pixel pitch, higher resoution, better colors, etc). You might be able to find a CRT used for like $50 that has the performance of a top of the line $500+ "ultrasharp" LCD monitor. I had a NEC Diamond Vision computer monitor years ago that was great, and much higher than 1080P resolution before 1080P became the "HD" standard. Problem is this monitor was only like 22" 4:3 so hardly worth it today for gaming. I could see tracking down a small CRT monitor for computer use. No sense in even bothering to look for a giant CRT television tube at this point. Like I said the HD television tubes were made for a very short period of time, there were a few 40" CRT models when HD was first starting out on televisions, but those must have weighed an absolute TON and I doubt many of them would outperform today's 1080P sets anyway. My 32" SD Tube was big enough to have to move out I needed 2 people to help me lift it and I was happy to just finally get rid of it, I can't imagine what a bigger/heaver set would be like.

but do crt's come in 1080p 100hz? resolution is important to me

spliff_man

All I know is my Sony Bravia 32" LED-LCD blows away my SD CRT. Colors just pop off the screen on the LCD, and I get much deeper blacks than my previous CRT model (which was about 6 years old JVC flat tube CRT model). My old tube on a black screen would still emit dim light into the room and the screen itself would look almost grey. With my new TV the room goes into total darkness during a dark screen and I can't even tell if the TV is still on - until the scene turns light again of course. So personally I do not even buy the "superior black levels" argument unless you are talking about a videophile quality CRT. For the CRT that most people had as their television sets even an average LED-LCD like the Sony will outperform the average CRT easily (IMHO). HD CRT TELEVISION sets were made for a VERY short time so they are hard to track down at all, nevermind the weight/size disadvantage.

Now for PC monitor use a CRT might have had some different advantages and better performance (much lower pixel pitch, higher resoution, better colors, etc). You might be able to find a CRT used for like $50 that has the performance of a top of the line $500+ "ultrasharp" LCD monitor. I had a NEC Diamond Vision computer monitor years ago that was great, and much higher than 1080P resolution before 1080P became the "HD" standard. Problem is this monitor was only like 22" 4:3 so hardly worth it today for gaming. I could see tracking down a small CRT monitor for computer use. No sense in even bothering to look for a giant CRT television tube at this point. Like I said the HD television tubes were made for a very short period of time, there were a few 40" CRT models when HD was first starting out on televisions, but those must have weighed an absolute TON and I doubt many of them would outperform today's 1080P sets anyway. My 32" SD Tube was big enough to have to move out I needed 2 people to help me lift it and I was happy to just finally get rid of it, I can't imagine what a bigger/heaver set would be like.

2Chalupas

Yes CRT will beat out a LCD. A CRT can have some very deep blacks allowing for an almost unlimited contrast ratio.

It goes like this CRT>Plasma>LCD (Some plasmas namely the new Panasonic VT20 and 25 come close,while plasmas such as the Pioneer Elite Kuro come into CRT level with near absolute blacks and almost perfect colour accuracy). Though when it comes down to it CRT is better than LCD.

Though CRTs obviously have limitations such as power consumption, weight and screen size. There is a reason Videophiles still like CRTs.

Just to clarify this whole situation, there are 2 main types of CRT displays:
1. Video grade:
This includes pretty much every CRT television you've ever used, and a lot of those massive, rear projection televisions. They cannot resolve HD content worth a crap because are limited to resolutions around 640x480 max and the vertical scan lines are spaced so far apart you can count them from like 6' away depending on the TV size.

2. Data/graphics grade
Computer monitors, few televisions and most CRT projectors. If you have the ability to hook a modern console up to a half decent computer monitor it is actually mind blowing how nice it looks. I have devices that strip HDCP from any source and let me hook my PS3 up to my old PC monitors. Color reproduciton and contrast ratios are incredible. It looks FAR better than it does on my primary LCD monitor that I use on with my PC.

LCD display is much sharper and crisper in its images. CRT has better contrast/colour and easily change able resolutions. And they also have the best refresh rates. CRT are large though, and give off radiation.

Now days though I think LCD are almost at CRT level in colour/contrast and refresh. Only very slightly behind. Even a cheap TN panel has under 1 second of input delay and good colour/.contrast, and a nice crisp image which will really make texture pop out of the screen. CRT is not worth it any more imo.

LCD display is much sharper and crisper in its images. ShimmerMan

They arent. The problem is that CRTs do become blurry over time. Because theres practiclaly no new CRT, every CRT out there has become slightly blurry. But a brand new tube is unmatched in sharpness.

CRT has better contrast/colour and easily change able resolutions. And they also have the best refresh rates. CRT are large though, and give off radiation.ShimmerMan

LCD s give off radition too. Most electronics do. I wouldn't worry about it.

Now days though I think LCD are almost at CRT level in colour/contrast and refresh. Only very slightly behind. Even a cheap TN panel has under 1 second of input delay and good colour/.contrast, and a nice crisp image which will really make texture pop out of the screen. CRT is not worth it any more imo.ShimmerMan

LCDs are not near CRT levels... they cant be due to inherent limitations of how LCD's function. Having siad that, CRT technology has completely stagnated, and frankly, most users have no options but to use LCDs.

The problem with CRTs is that they just aren't as sharp. Better motion than lcds though, that's for sure. I feel that people that were once fans of CRTs, now swear by DLPs.

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[QUOTE="YoungSinatra25"]Image retention still happens and burn in, thats an overly opinionated statement. You've made it obvious you own a "Pioneer Kuro Elite" so thats your experience. (its only the BEST of the BEST) Technically burn in can happen on numerous types of screens including LCDs and CRTs. So saying it doesn't happen is incorrect. On topic CRT>LCD pretty much... LCD just doesn't have the performance. Its tech wasn't built for video media to be honest.ATLReppa770

No its not incorrect, obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but at this point you would almost have to go out of your way to have burn in occur.

Image retention still happens and burn in, thats an overly opinionated statement. You've made it obvious you own a "Pioneer Kuro Elite" so thats your experience. (its only the BEST of the BEST) Technically burn in can happen on numerous types of screens including LCDs and CRTs. So saying it doesn't happen is incorrect. On topic CRT>LCD pretty much... LCD just doesn't have the performance. Its tech wasn't built for video media to be honest.YoungSinatra25

No its not incorrect, obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but at this point you would almost have to go out of your way to have burn in occur.

[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

No its not incorrect, obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but at this point you would almost have to go out of your way to have burn in occur.

bizzy420

[QUOTE="bizzy420"][QUOTE="ATLReppa770"] You're an idiot. I just recently purchased a Panasonic P42S2, and it gets burn-in from just sitting in the lobby, waiting for a map to load on Reach. It goes away after about 2 minutes, but to say it no longer exists on plasmas released within the last 3 to 5 years is crazy.ATLReppa770

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="ATLReppa770"] What's the difference?

ATLReppa770

Image retention still happens and burn in, thats an overly opinionated statement. You've made it obvious you own a "Pioneer Kuro Elite" so thats your experience. (its only the BEST of the BEST) Technically burn in can happen on numerous types of screens including LCDs and CRTs. So saying it doesn't happen is incorrect. On topic CRT>LCD pretty much... LCD just doesn't have the performance. Its tech wasn't built for video media to be honest.YoungSinatra25

No its not incorrect, obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but at this point you would almost have to go out of your way to have burn in occur.

[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"][QUOTE="Makari"] Burn in is permanent, image retention goes away in seconds or minutes.NVIDIATI

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[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"] Ah. Well, I stand misinformed, while the other guy is still an idiot.JuggaloRandall