So... is anyone a bit apprehensive about New Vegas now?

Just read the review of Alpha Protocol. Thought I was going to buy that for sure, but now I have reconsidered. New Vegas is still on my "for sure" list, though. Obsidian has a pretty decent track record of licensed games. Is anyone concerned that the failure with the original IP will reflect on their licensed stuff as well? In other words, was anyone really excited about Obsidian making the next Fallout and now changed their minds?

Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. GeneralShowzer

Pow right in the kisser

Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. GeneralShowzer

Just read the review of Alpha Protocol. Thought I was going to buy that for sure, but now I have reconsidered. New Vegas is still on my "for sure" list, though. Obsidian has a pretty decent track record of licensed games. Is anyone concerned that the failure with the original IP will reflect on their licensed stuff as well? In other words, was anyone really excited about Obsidian making the next Fallout and now changed their minds?

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. TryDaBeardON

Alpha Protocol has been receiving a lot of positive reception around the net from both users and professionals. Not sure why one specific review would change your mind about anything really.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. GeneralShowzer

Um, yeah. OK. Nevermind.

Not at all. I take reviews with a grain of salt. Just because GS, or another organization reviews something doesn't make it gospel.

Alpha Protocol has been receiving a lot of positive reception around the net from both users and professionals. Not sure why one specific review would change your mind about anything really.

MadCat46

Yeah, there's been a few 8.0s out there, but it wasn't just Gamespot's 6.0 score. These decisions are made cumulatively. Bad marketing campaign, less than exciting previews, gut feeling, etc. And that's my fifty bucks. Anyway, why my mind was changed isn't really the question.

***Are YOU just as excited now about Obsidian making New Vegas as you were BEFORE AP came out?***

I dont pay to much attention to reviews. Ive enjoyed alot of games thats got bad ratings from gamespot etc.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. GeneralShowzer

One thing which i've noticed is that they're taking a book from STALKER, seeing that you can use attachments with your weapons, along with being able to toggle a mode that includes something similar to hunger.

well, i hope they at least hand out the modding tool for pc users. so we can fix things on our own.

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Alpha Protocol has been receiving a lot of positive reception around the net from both users and professionals. Not sure why one specific review would change your mind about anything really.

TryDaBeardON

Yeah, there's been a few 8.0s out there, but it wasn't just Gamespot's 6.0 score. These decisions are made cumulatively. Bad marketing campaign, less than exciting previews, gut feeling, etc. And that's my fifty bucks. Anyway, why my mind was changed isn't really the question.

***Are YOU just as excited now about Obsidian making New Vegas as you were BEFORE AP came out?***

I am really pumped for New Vegas, they have the engine so they only need to work on improved gameplay and story, so I think it will be very good. I like every change they have announced.

I thought Bethesda was like co-developing it with them or something... I think they have their paws in the development somehow. If thats true, then the overall quality will be better. Plus like the other guy pointed out; as long as we get mod tools, we can fix any lingering issues.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. TryDaBeardON

???

Neverwinter Nights 2 is MUCH better than Neverwinter Nights.

It's not even close.

I can't wait to try Hardcore mode in New Vegas, it will give us more challenging gameplay

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. Born_Lucky

???

Neverwinter Nights 2 is MUCH better than Neverwinter Nights.

It's not even close.

I disagree. AND I disagree that it isn't close. And since it's really hard to prove one's opinion to anyone who has a different one, especially in regards to taste, Metacritic is a decent tool to gauge the general consensus. 91 vs 82. And yes, NVN2 scores dipped because of the buggy release.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. GeneralShowzer

I'm really riding on the separate development teams :) I have faith that Obsidian won't mess up the Fallout series. I hope :)

New vegas WILL be buggy for other reasons than being Obsidian made, no doubt about it. Bethesda makes buggy games too, so being on the same engine with the same dev tools, expecting it to be flawless would be stupid.

I buy Obsidian games for the brilliant writing, twists and stories they come up with. They have this unique magical touch that even if the games are buggy and sometime clumsy, to drag you in and suck you up in their world. It's a shame their technical side isn't good but it's one of my favorite devs anyway. Story and writing wise, they are untouchable.

I didn't play fallout 3, not gonna play it either unless I get a cheap package deal somewhere. I can say however that I will buy New Vegas in a heartbeat. I will also get Alpha protocol at some point, most likely on sale since i'm not that huge of a fan of 3rd person shooter perspective.

I personally have a lot of faith in Obsidian, if they could pull their technical side together they would be one of the best dev out there. Neverwinter Nights 2 campaigns were a blast to me compared to Neverwinter Nights, whose only campaign that was good was Horde of the Underdark.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Well, yeah, you'd think that, which is why you would be excited about Obsidian making New Vegas, but then one remembers KOTOR 2 being slightly worse than KOTOR, and NVN 2 slightly worse than NVN and now this Alpha Protocol business... And then you have to realize that this will be a sequel to F3 more than a sequel to F1 or F2...

TryDaBeardON

Yet the gameplay is 10x better, and id take better gameplay over slightly better story.

Obsidian is to RPGs what Treyarch is to CoD.Xeros606

I believe this to be the most accurate saying in this topic.

Sure, why not.
Alpha Protocol proved that Obsidian is still full of fantastic roleplaying ideas (Alpha Protocol is only really 'bad' because of the dated visuals and medocre gameplay, everything else is great), and when combined with Fallout 3's visuals and gameplay, New Vegas will probably be a very solid title.

[QUOTE="mfp16"]KotOR2... not a chance, the original was leaps and bounds better.TryDaBeardON

I disagree. KOTOR 2 was much, much deeper than the original, the characters (and your interactions with them) were more complex, and the gameplay and choices were undoubtedly better. The only thing that let down KOTOR 2 was the rushed ending, and even then they'd planned some damn good endings for the game.

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Neverwinter Nights 2 is MUCH better than Neverwinter Nights.

It's not even close.

TryDaBeardON

I disagree. AND I disagree that it isn't close. And since it's really hard to prove one's opinion to anyone who has a different one, especially in regards to taste, Metacritic is a decent tool to gauge the general consensus. 91 vs 82. And yes, NVN2 scores dipped because of the buggy release.

Neverwinter Night's singleplayer is extremely bland, but the mod tools and online play made up for it. NWN2's singleplayer was actually pretty good, but the mod tools and online play were bland.

Sure, it was buggy at release and the controls were a bit clunkier, but I'd be truly surprised if people thought that NWN1 had a better campaign.

I couldnt care less what kevin vanord thinks, Im going to try alpha protocol for myself.

No, what i mean is that osbidian will mess up even worse than bethesda when it comes to bugs and stability. They have no experiance with the complicated gamebryo engine, bethesda has many years of experiance and it is still a mess.dakan45

Alpha Protocol has really strong characters and writing, which at the end of the day, is what Fallout is really about. And since they are dealing with pre-exsisting mechanics there shouldnt be as much issues with the actual combat as their was in AP.

Not at all. I take reviews with a grain of salt. Just because GS, or another organization reviews something doesn't make it gospel.

StrawberryHill

I'd make that a handful of salt, but I completely agree. It's too early to judge at the moment. I will wait to see it for myself before I pass any judgement, especially considering how different Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas are.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Well it can't be worse than Fallout 3. GeneralShowzer

Those are two opinions I cannot disagree with more.