So when is Nvidia going to release a REAL next gen card?

Right now they're still using the same model...Rottenberry

Not much to go whoopee about but if I do recall there was a good amount of increase in performance in g92 vs g80.

their 55nm parts are being released at around June (see blog).

as for completely new technology i am not entirely sure, the 55nm parts are just a die shrink to increase heat/power efficiency.

Current rumors are of a 55nm shrink of G92 for sometime late Q2/early Q3 for their price/performance parts and Q3/Q4 for their G100/GT200 highend, ~2x the performance of G80.

Not much to go whoopee about but if I do recall there was a good amount of increase in performance in g92 vs g80.TrooperManaic

Not really. Certain part of the GPU were decreased while clocks where increased to compensate.
Not really the best design process.

Current rumors are of a 55nm shrink of G92 for sometime late Q2/early Q3 for their price/performance parts and Q3/Q4 for their G100/GT200 highend, ~2x the performance of G80.LordEC911

Well, 2009 should be special. I mean, they'll even have to come out with a new name(Just like Intel deciding to not call the newer chips Penitum 5...)! GeForce 10800GTX sounds really really lame. Either way, I'm serious though, not just because of the name, but next year is apparently have the Windows 7(Rumored to be next year, rather than 2010...) so it should be pretty awesome, as well the CPUs and RAM set ups. wemhim

Instead of the 10800GTX it should be 9900GTX. Just like going from the 7800GTX to the 7900GTX and 7950GX2.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Well, 2009 should be special. I mean, they'll even have to come out with a new name(Just like Intel deciding to not call the newer chips Penitum 5...)! GeForce 10800GTX sounds really really lame. Either way, I'm serious though, not just because of the name, but next year is apparently have the Windows 7(Rumored to be next year, rather than 2010...) so it should be pretty awesome, as well the CPUs and RAM set ups. nVidiaGaMer

Instead of the 10800GTX it should be 9900GTX. Just like going from the 7800GTX to the 7900GTX and 7950GX2.

I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...-GeordiLaForge-

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]Current rumors are of a 55nm shrink of G92 for sometime late Q2/early Q3 for their price/performance parts and Q3/Q4 for their G100/GT200 highend, ~2x the performance of G80.TrooperManaic

G98 is nothing. If anything it would be a lowend GPU, sub $100 price range.
The 55nm shrink will be refferred to as G92b and should be the 9800GTS/GT.

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...TrooperManaic

Not fake, people just assumed it was the next GPU that was going to come out...
Remember Fud calling G92 a highend GPU when I told everyone it was a price/performance GPU meant to compete with RV670.

I want to know that as well. Buying this 30'' monitor was a big mistake, there aren't any graphics cards available that can run Crysis high on 2560x1600 :P

I want to know that as well. Buying this 30'' monitor was a big mistake, there aren't any graphics cards available that can run Crysis high on 2560x1600 :P

SimpJee

not unless you want to spend $1200 USD on two 9800GX2's. Even then they have some driver issues.

But its not like Crysis is the only game in the world, you should be able to play any other ones just fine if you have a decent GPU.

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...TrooperManaic

The high end for the HD4XXX series will do 1 teraflop.

[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...nVidiaGaMer

The high end for the HD4XXX series will do 1 teraflop.

More than that.
RV770 is already in the .85-1.5TFlop range.
With the highend of the HD4*00series being two RV770 on a PCB, the final result will end up somewhere between 1.5-3TFlops.

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="TrooperManaic"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...LordEC911

The high end for the HD4XXX series will do 1 teraflop.

More than that.
RV770 is already in the .85-1.5TFlop range.
With the highend of the HD4*00series being two RV770 on a PCB, the final result will end up somewhere between 1.5-3TFlops.

When is the estimated release of the HD4xxx?

Also will the 9800gts/gt be released before summer, I want to use my stepup...

[QUOTE="LordEC911"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="TrooperManaic"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...musclesforcier

The high end for the HD4XXX series will do 1 teraflop.

More than that.
RV770 is already in the .85-1.5TFlop range.
With the highend of the HD4*00series being two RV770 on a PCB, the final result will end up somewhere between 1.5-3TFlops.

When is the estimated release of the HD4xxx?

Also will the 9800gts/gt be released before summer, I want to use my stepup...

RV770 and 55nm G92b is set for sometime late Q2 or early Q3.

the rate of progress in GPU performance seems to have hit a bit of a wall allright. there was the 8800 GTX released in late 06 which was a huge leap...and then not much else. the new 9800GTX is a step up again (after over a year) but its not massive (ie it wouldnt make me even consider an upgrade from my gtx....lets put it that way). the only cards that are taking a step up are the GX2 variants...but there reliant on sli/crossfire to get the best out fo them. and i can just chuck in a second GTX (when the price goes down) and end up with very similar results

i can kinda see why there doing it (there seems to be a shift from ultra high powered expensive GPUs to cards that offer excellent bang per buck....which is great too imho) but it is nice to see nvidia and ati flex the horse power muscle from time to time. maybe the gefirce 10 will deliver on the ultra high end side (as in money no object kinda high end).

the rate of progress in GPU performance seems to have hit a bit of a wall allright. there was the 8800 GTX released in late 06 which was a huge leap...and then not much else. the new 9800GTX is a step up again (after over a year) but its not massive (ie it wouldnt make me even consider an upgrade from my gtx....lets put it that way). the only cards that are taking a step up are the GX2 variants...but there reliant on sli/crossfire to get the best out fo them. and i can just chuck in a second GTX (when the price goes down) and end up with very similar results

i can kinda see why there doing it (there seems to be a shift from ultra high powered expensive GPUs to cards that offer excellent bang per buck....which is great too imho) but it is nice to see nvidia and ati flex the horse power muscle from time to time. maybe the gefirce 10 will deliver on the ultra high end side (as in money no object kinda high end).osan0

R700 and G100/GT200 should be what the G80 was, ~2x the performance of the previous highend.
Nvidia is going with a huge monolithic die, ~R600's 420mm2 even though G100 is on 65nm.
ATi/AMD is taking the opposite route, going small price/performance and then having multiGPUs in the highend/enthusiast market which makes sense. Current rumors are still that R700 will have two GPUs but that will act like one, aka NO CF, and will be able to share memory.

I heard GT200 will still use 65nm process, which is why Nvidia is having problems with it.slickchris7777

Nvidia seems to like to wait and do their highend on a mature process while AMD/ATi likes to jump onto a new process right away.

[QUOTE="osan0"]the rate of progress in GPU performance seems to have hit a bit of a wall allright. there was the 8800 GTX released in late 06 which was a huge leap...and then not much else. the new 9800GTX is a step up again (after over a year) but its not massive (ie it wouldnt make me even consider an upgrade from my gtx....lets put it that way). the only cards that are taking a step up are the GX2 variants...but there reliant on sli/crossfire to get the best out fo them. and i can just chuck in a second GTX (when the price goes down) and end up with very similar results

i can kinda see why there doing it (there seems to be a shift from ultra high powered expensive GPUs to cards that offer excellent bang per buck....which is great too imho) but it is nice to see nvidia and ati flex the horse power muscle from time to time. maybe the gefirce 10 will deliver on the ultra high end side (as in money no object kinda high end).LordEC911

R700 and G100/GT200 should be what the G80 was, ~2x the performance of the previous highend.
Nvidia is going with a huge monolithic die, ~R600's 420mm2 even though G100 is on 65nm.
ATi/AMD is taking the opposite route, going small price/performance and then having multiGPUs in the highend/enthusiast market which makes sense. Current rumors are still that R700 will have two GPUs but that will act like one, aka NO CF, and will be able to share memory.

I heard GT200 will still use 65nm process, which is why Nvidia is having problems with it.slickchris7777

Nvidia seems to like to wait and do their highend on a mature process while AMD/ATi likes to jump onto a new process right away.

OOO i like that rumour about the r700. have the OS see it as one GPU but have 2+ GPUs at the hardware level. i could see how they could do it kinda...basically have a controller chip that all data is sent to and then that controller chip dishes out the work to the GPUs. very interesting and, if the controller chip and buses on the card are fast enough, then it could be a very elegent solution. not being reliant on multi GPU tech like crossfire or SLI at the software level is always a plus. leaving devs free to not worry about it either is also a good thing.

Good, right after my stepup expires. Might just have to stepup to the 8800gts then.musclesforcier

Or wait for the HD4XXX series cards in the $200-$250 price range.

[QUOTE="musclesforcier"]Good, right after my stepup expires. Might just have to stepup to the 8800gts then.nVidiaGaMer

Or wait for the HD4XXX series cards in the $200-$250 price range.

Yeah thats what I will most likely end up doing. The 8800gs is enough for me at 1280x1024 for now. Maybe this summer I'll upgrade to a nice widescreen and a HD4xxx.

[QUOTE="musclesforcier"]Good, right after my stepup expires. Might just have to stepup to the 8800gts then.nVidiaGaMer

Or wait for the HD4XXX series cards in the $200-$250 price range.

[QUOTE="osan0"]the rate of progress in GPU performance seems to have hit a bit of a wall allright. there was the 8800 GTX released in late 06 which was a huge leap...and then not much else. the new 9800GTX is a step up again (after over a year) but its not massive (ie it wouldnt make me even consider an upgrade from my gtx....lets put it that way). the only cards that are taking a step up are the GX2 variants...but there reliant on sli/crossfire to get the best out fo them. and i can just chuck in a second GTX (when the price goes down) and end up with very similar results

i can kinda see why there doing it (there seems to be a shift from ultra high powered expensive GPUs to cards that offer excellent bang per buck....which is great too imho) but it is nice to see nvidia and ati flex the horse power muscle from time to time. maybe the gefirce 10 will deliver on the ultra high end side (as in money no object kinda high end).LordEC911

R700 and G100/GT200 should be what the G80 was, ~2x the performance of the previous highend.
Nvidia is going with a huge monolithic die, ~R600's 420mm2 even though G100 is on 65nm.
ATi/AMD is taking the opposite route, going small price/performance and then having multiGPUs in the highend/enthusiast market which makes sense. Current rumors are still that R700 will have two GPUs but that will act like one, aka NO CF, and will be able to share memory.

I heard GT200 will still use 65nm process, which is why Nvidia is having problems with it.slickchris7777

Nvidia seems to like to wait and do their highend on a mature process while AMD/ATi likes to jump onto a new process right away.

[QUOTE="LordEC911"][QUOTE="osan0"]the rate of progress in GPU performance seems to have hit a bit of a wall allright. there was the 8800 GTX released in late 06 which was a huge leap...and then not much else. the new 9800GTX is a step up again (after over a year) but its not massive (ie it wouldnt make me even consider an upgrade from my gtx....lets put it that way). the only cards that are taking a step up are the GX2 variants...but there reliant on sli/crossfire to get the best out fo them. and i can just chuck in a second GTX (when the price goes down) and end up with very similar results

i can kinda see why there doing it (there seems to be a shift from ultra high powered expensive GPUs to cards that offer excellent bang per buck....which is great too imho) but it is nice to see nvidia and ati flex the horse power muscle from time to time. maybe the gefirce 10 will deliver on the ultra high end side (as in money no object kinda high end).HuusAsking

R700 and G100/GT200 should be what the G80 was, ~2x the performance of the previous highend.
Nvidia is going with a huge monolithic die, ~R600's 420mm2 even though G100 is on 65nm.
ATi/AMD is taking the opposite route, going small price/performance and then having multiGPUs in the highend/enthusiast market which makes sense. Current rumors are still that R700 will have two GPUs but that will act like one, aka NO CF, and will be able to share memory.

I heard GT200 will still use 65nm process, which is why Nvidia is having problems with it.slickchris7777

Nvidia seems to like to wait and do their highend on a mature process while AMD/ATi likes to jump onto a new process right away.

The 3870x2 is also $150 cheaper.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

nVidia can afford to wait. Performance-wise, they're currently in the lead. Last I checked, the 9800X2 edges out the 3870x2. That's why AMD/ATI is making the next big move. nVidia will probably ramp up work on the GT100/200 as the RV700 series approaches street date.musclesforcier

The 3870x2 is also $150 cheaper.

Me? I'll wait. I'd like to see a single-board solution that can max out Crysis at at least 1280x1024 first. Then I'll pay attention.

[QUOTE="musclesforcier"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

nVidia can afford to wait. Performance-wise, they're currently in the lead. Last I checked, the 9800X2 edges out the 3870x2. That's why AMD/ATI is making the next big move. nVidia will probably ramp up work on the GT100/200 as the RV700 series approaches street date.HuusAsking

The 3870x2 is also $150 cheaper.

Me? I'll wait. I'd like to see a single-board solution that can max out Crysis at at least 1280x1024 first. Then I'll pay attention.

When the 3870x2 is ~$400, that is a different market than the +$550 of the GX2.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="musclesforcier"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

nVidia can afford to wait. Performance-wise, they're currently in the lead. Last I checked, the 9800X2 edges out the 3870x2. That's why AMD/ATI is making the next big move. nVidia will probably ramp up work on the GT100/200 as the RV700 series approaches street date.LordEC911

The 3870x2 is also $150 cheaper.

Me? I'll wait. I'd like to see a single-board solution that can max out Crysis at at least 1280x1024 first. Then I'll pay attention.

When the 3870x2 is ~$400, that is a different market than the +$550 of the GX2.

Exactly, BIG difference. You could get another HD 3870 for CrossfireX with that $150.

I want to know that as well. Buying this 30'' monitor was a big mistake, there aren't any graphics cards available that can run Crysis high on 2560x1600 :P

SimpJee

well crysis is only one game u can still run every other game at max settings at that rez with sli 8800 gtx so u dont really need the extra power yet.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]

I want to know that as well. Buying this 30'' monitor was a big mistake, there aren't any graphics cards available that can run Crysis high on 2560x1600 :P

johnny27

well crysis is only one game u can still run every other game at max settings at that rez with sli 8800 gtx so u dont really need the extra power yet.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="musclesforcier"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

nVidia can afford to wait. Performance-wise, they're currently in the lead. Last I checked, the 9800X2 edges out the 3870x2. That's why AMD/ATI is making the next big move. nVidia will probably ramp up work on the GT100/200 as the RV700 series approaches street date.LordEC911

The 3870x2 is also $150 cheaper.

Me? I'll wait. I'd like to see a single-board solution that can max out Crysis at at least 1280x1024 first. Then I'll pay attention.

When the 3870x2 is ~$400, that is a different market than the +$550 of the GX2.

[QUOTE="johnny27"][QUOTE="SimpJee"]

I want to know that as well. Buying this 30'' monitor was a big mistake, there aren't any graphics cards available that can run Crysis high on 2560x1600 :P

Musacircuit_2

well crysis is only one game u can still run every other game at max settings at that rez with sli 8800 gtx so u dont really need the extra power yet.

Meh, performance crown is irrelevant to me, it's only good for bragging rights and halo effect.

Price/performance is all I care about. $110 and I max all my games at my native res, perfect.

I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...-GeordiLaForge-

you read wrong, theres only a slight improvement

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I read that the 9800 will do over a TFLOP, compared to about 500GFLOPS max for the 8800gtx...smarb001

you read wrong, theres only a slight improvement