Some old school RPGs were very confusing.

Years ago, I tried playing Baldurs Gate 2 and I found it very confusing. I had no idea what was going on, or what to do. I tried playing Icewind Dale, and the combat was very difficult and confusing. I tried playing Fallout 2, and again, it was confusing and I had no idea what to do. Divine Divinity got kind of confusing after a while also. Planescape Torment was easier to play and was a good game overall. I didn't know every detail of what was going on in Planescape, but I figured out the general idea, and played it quite a bit, but didn't finish it. Neverwinter Nights was easier to follow also.

Diablo 2 was easy to follow and I played that a lot. I am currently playing Nox, and it's easy to follow.

I may possibly try playing some of the old RPGs again, and see if I can figure them out or complete them.

Oh I remember Nox.. It was fun.

I did that.. tried playing games when they were newer like Ultima ix ascension.. Well it may not have been brand new when I tried, but either way the controls were so hard for me. But once I started playing more games with similar controls it was real simple for me when I went back to it a couple years later. Now the ones with the easier controls/interface are hard for me to go back to lol

Fallout isn't confusing...

I think/hope it is all the reading you found confusing, old school RPGs demanded you read alot, and likely more then a book.

otherwise It would kind of baffle me that it would be confusing, there were a great deal of freedom in the old rpgs that is not pressent anymore, which I think is very sad, altho I doubt that was the confusing part. I liked the "no handholding guiding through the game".

That said man do I dislike the more common trend in rpgs, where you are told where to go, what to do, what to say and what to think.

in the end I kinda feel that there is not alot of choice left in rpgs today :\ just weather you want to be good or evil (usually presented in the most hamfisted silly and childish way possible.

It may just be because I am getting old tho... I liked how you sometimjes had to leave the game, and think about the things you had found out, to plot your next few actions, and how to proceed.

Old RPGs were much larger, deeper, interactive and non-linear if you compare with today's RPGs, even the best ones like The Witcher, Mass Effect (half shooter/half cRPG), Gothic III and Drakensang. Just look at Oblivion and Fallout 3, both doesn't have 10% of interactivity and deepness from it's predecessors. Both are boring games that you doesn't need to interact to discover things, you always has a compass showing where to go and a journal telling what to do.

I like RPGs that makes me feel very lost and weak in the beginning. Those are the better ones.

ps.: damn space bar bug, I have to edit all my posts :(

The only thing you can take away from these experiences is that your an idiot.Good luck in life.

Astaroth2k

Old RPGs were much larger, deeper, interactive and non-linear if you compare with today's RPGs, even the best ones like The Witcher, Mass Effect (half shooter/half cRPG), Gothic III and Drakensang. Just look at Oblivion and Fallout 3, both doesn't have 10% of interactivity and deepness from it's predecessors. Both are boring games that you doesn't need to interact to discover things, you always has a compass showing where to go and a journal telling what to do.

I like RPGs that makes me feel very lost and weak in the beginning. Those are the better ones.

ps.: damn space bar bug, I have to edit all my posts :(

Old RPGs were much larger, deeper, interactive and non-linear if you compare with today's RPGs, even the best ones like The Witcher, Mass Effect (half shooter/half cRPG), Gothic III and Drakensang. Just look at Oblivion and Fallout 3, both doesn't have 10% of interactivity and deepness from it's predecessors. Both are boring games that you doesn't need to interact to discover things, you always has a compass showing where to go and a journal telling what to do.

I like RPGs that makes me feel very lost and weak in the beginning. Those are the better ones.

ps.: damn space bar bug, I have to edit all my posts :(

Years ago, I tried playing Baldurs Gate 2 and I found it very confusing. I had no idea what was going on, or what to do. I tried playing Icewind Dale, and the combat was very difficult and confusing. I tried playing Fallout 2, and again, it was confusing and I had no idea what to do. Divine Divinity got kind of confusing after a while also. Planescape Torment was easier to play and was a good game overall. I didn't know every detail of what was going on in Planescape, but I figured out the general idea, and played it quite a bit, but didn't finish it. Neverwinter Nights was easier to follow also.

Diablo 2 was easy to follow and I played that a lot. I am currently playing Nox, and it's easy to follow.

I may possibly try playing some of the old RPGs again, and see if I can figure them out or complete them.

Timberwolf5578

Like previous posters have said, it's a question of accessibility. Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale are both games based on 2nd edition D&D so they are targeted at people who enjoyed playing the pen and paper counterparts. If you aren't familiar with D&D then there is a learning curve. As for Fallout 1 and 2 they were both sprawling and complex games but I agree that they could be a little directionless. That was part of what made them so much fun though, was the idea of this open world in which you could do whatever you wanted.

-Byshop

RyuRanVII, I think patience -is- a virtue. :)

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Astaroth2k"]

The only thing you can take away from these experiences is that your an idiot.Good luck in life.

Byshop

The older RPG's certainly seemed to have alot deeper depth.

Go play fallout 2 again and just spend your time learning how everything works. then after you feel you understand everything make a new character and take on the amazing world it has instore for you

Hm, it's true that modern RPGs are generally more accessible, but if you put in the time to get used to the older ones, you'll probably end up having a deeper and more rewarding experience.Planeforger

Agreed.

Those were the days when games had a learning curve, now ou can just pick up and play and there is no real challenge anymore :(

Maybe because you were playing the "2" first? Anyway old rpgs were generally like that your spoon fed the story you have to put together the pieces of the puzzle. Unlike modern rpgs, old rpgs havea steeper learning curve and need more patience.

Those were the days when games had a learning curve, now ou can just pick up and play and there is no real challenge anymore :(

Sacif

I love the accessibility of modern games for a number of reasons. Pick up and play games work well with my work schedule (and my gf schedule). More accessible games also means greater mainstream acceptance of video games which is great for the industry and helps games gain credibility as art and mature entertainment and not just toys for children.

However, where it sucks is the dumbing down of games that used to be great. Deus Ex 2 was a grossly oversimplified version of its predecessor thanks to console cross-development. I don't mind a wealth of accessible games out there so long as companies keep making gems like X3, Supreme Commander and the Total War series for us (and I hate this term because it's elitist) hardcore gamers.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Byshop"][QUOTE="Astaroth2k"]

The only thing you can take away from these experiences is that your an idiot.Good luck in life.

Xavier_12

That made me chuckle.

[QUOTE="Xavier_12"][QUOTE="Byshop"] I think you mean "you're" an idiot. -ByshopStrawberryHill

That made me chuckle.

They are not confusing... Its just that you are not paying enough attention. I guess you wont find games like diablo confusing when they are as narrow and deep as your average shooters...Pessu

i think you were just turned away by the story telling of the older crpgs. due to the limitations of technologies,story tellingback in the dayslargelyreliedontext, and the overallpresentationrequiredcertainpatience and attention from theaudience.

I've playedalmost everymajorcrpgs since 1998,and none of those wereconfusing.you mentionedyou couldhandleNeverwinter Nights but notBaldur's Gate. the funny thing is, NWN used DnD v3 ruleset, which is as sophisticated as, if not more sophisticated than, the v2 ruleset used by BG and Planescpare Torment. see what i mean? it's all about presentation.

Hm, it's true that modern RPGs are generally more accessible, but if you put in the time to get used to the older ones, you'll probably end up having a deeper and more rewarding experience.Planeforger

Fallout isn't confusing...

JangoWuzHere

It's hard at first. And Fallout 2's first dungeon is incredibly difficult.

As I mentioned on another thread Wizardry 8 was nquite deep with a large learning curve....

As I mentioned on another thread Wizardry 8 was nquite deep with a large learning curve....

ttomm1946

If you have some experience with the D&D rules than games like Baldur's Gate arent confusing. But I had never even played D&D before the first time I played Baldur' Gate, so I really had no idea what the hell was going during combat and stuff. Just read a strategy guide. They usually explain the game mechanics pretty well.

As I mentioned on another thread Wizardry 8 was nquite deep with a large learning curve....

ttomm1946

ttomm1946 I found that game to be punishingly difficult. I thought I had my party well leveled and balanced and still had my hat handed to me by road brigands and other monsters. Obviously I missed something on how to play it. I'm no noob to RPGs, I've played most of them, and had less problems then I did with that game. Large learning curve? I'd say.