Sony vs. Samsung!!!! Which company makes the better 720p lcd?

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#1 iceberg_shorty
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http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS3251DXXAA.asp?page=Specifications

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Sony-32-BRAVIA-S-Series-LCD-HDTV-KDL-32S2010/sem/rpsm/oid/159637/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do

What I really want to know is why they are the same price when the Samsung has a higher contrast ratio and 2 HDMI's, whereas the Sony has 1 HDMI and a lower contrast ratio?

Then you have the Bravia XBR which is still higher in price than the Samsung when it's features aren't as abundant either.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Sony-32-BRAVIA-XBR-2-LCD-HDTV-KDL-V32XBR2/sem/rpsm/oid/160302/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs

Can somebody explain?

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http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS3251DXXAA.asp?page=Specifications

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Sony-32-BRAVIA-S-Series-LCD-HDTV-KDL-32S2010/sem/rpsm/oid/159637/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do

What I really want to know is why they are the same price when the Samsung has a higher contrast ratio and 2 HDMI's, whereas the Sony has 1 HDMI and a lower contrast ratio?

Then you have the Bravia XBR which is still higher in price than the Samsung when it's features aren't as abundant either.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Sony-32-BRAVIA-XBR-2-LCD-HDTV-KDL-V32XBR2/sem/rpsm/oid/160302/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs

Can somebody explain?

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Because Sony is always generally overpriced compared to the rest of the industry. With that being said. I wouldn't lay much credance on the Samsung contrast ratio's. They use dynamic contrast ratio's which is different from what the rest of the industry uses. It's called numer inflation! The displays are very similar.
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#3 Tedsteriscool
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Samsungs dynamic contrast ratio is 3000:1 and the sony does not say it at that site but the V32XBR2 (I just bought it) has a dynamic contrast of 7000:1 and a normal contrast of 1700:1. Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now.
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#4 eastwood77
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LOL sony does not blow samsung out of the water. There both great brands but get the samsung it has better specs for the price. Now if it was sony against sanyo it blow it out of the water.
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#5 iceberg_shorty
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General Hardware forum is such a crap forum to post in, I mean hardly anybody replies!  Then when I post this in a console forum I'll get like 40 replies before somebody go cries to the mod saying it's off topic.

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#6 cspiffo
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General Hardware forum is such a crap forum to post in, I mean hardly anybody replies!  Then when I post this in a console forum I'll get like 40 replies before somebody go cries to the mod saying it's off topic.

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Uhhh, dude! Your on a video game website! If you want hardware advice you should either wait for the dedicated people who do actually use this forum or move on to a hardware discussion website. You may get 40 replies in those console forums, but is the info really valuable there? I've looked in those forums and those people, when it comes to hardware, have no idea what they are talking about!
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#7 playwithfire17
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Sony and Samsung use the same panels, but their internals are both different. I would go Sony, in fact, we own several Sony's in our house. I bought a 46" V2500 and it's an excellent panel. I would go for a Bravia over a Samsung Bordeaux or Sonoma. Plus, the Bravia engine doesn't wreak as much havok on picture quality as the DNIe.
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#8 ILIKEF250
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I had the 40" Samsung which was 720p but ended up traded in for the sony.  Bestbuy had both for the same price which the sony plays 720p alot better.  Then I saw the sony 1080p tv which was price match from Amazon for a couple hundred more which I traded again.  Every store and most online forums all like the sony over the samsung because the color is more natural then the sammy.  I aslo found out that the component inputs on the sony are alot better the Samsung also.
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#9 dmanrevived
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General Hardware forum is such a crap forum to post in, I mean hardly anybody replies! Then when I post this in a console forum I'll get like 40 replies before somebody go cries to the mod saying it's off topic.

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Like the other person said, this is a gaming site. If you want HDTV advice, go to avsforum.
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Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now.

Sony and Samsung TVs are virtually identical. They make their panels in the same factory, and their electronics are very close in quality.
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i haven't tried the samsung before but i have my parents just bought a 46" Sony Bravia XBR2 for the living room and it is awesome so i'm saving up my own money to buy a XBR2 32'
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Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now. Kodai_kun

Sony and Samsung TVs are virtually identical. They make their panels in the same factory, and their electronics are very close in quality.

Says you. Samsung's overscan pretty badly, and their colors look a little washed out to my eyes. Also, the DNIe sucks.
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[QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]

Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now. playwithfire17

Sony and Samsung TVs are virtually identical. They make their panels in the same factory, and their electronics are very close in quality.

Says you. Samsung's overscan pretty badly, and their colors look a little washed out to my eyes. Also, the DNIe sucks.

All HDTV's overscan; including Sony!
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Says you. Samsung's overscan pretty badly, and their colors look a little washed out to my eyes. Also, the DNIe sucks.

You can disable DNIE, and are you going through VGA?
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[QUOTE="playwithfire17"][QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]

Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now. cspiffo

Sony and Samsung TVs are virtually identical. They make their panels in the same factory, and their electronics are very close in quality.

Says you. Samsung's overscan pretty badly, and their colors look a little washed out to my eyes. Also, the DNIe sucks.

All HDTV's overscan; including Sony!

...Not all do, though the majority do, and how badly differs between TVs. Samsungs panels are the worst for overscan, Sharp panels can have banding issues, and Sony's can have uneven backlighting.
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[QUOTE="cspiffo"][QUOTE="playwithfire17"][QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]

Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now. playwithfire17

Sony and Samsung TVs are virtually identical. They make their panels in the same factory, and their electronics are very close in quality.

Says you. Samsung's overscan pretty badly, and their colors look a little washed out to my eyes. Also, the DNIe sucks.

All HDTV's overscan; including Sony!

...Not all do, though the majority do, and how badly differs between TVs. Samsungs panels are the worst for overscan, Sharp panels can have banding issues, and Sony's can have uneven backlighting.

You are wrong!!! All TV's HDTV and SDTV overscan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you even know what overscan is!?

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You can eliminate overscan via the service menu But unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing, DO NOT ATTEMPT IT. Samsung 4095 I know will do 1:1 pixel mapping, but only through the VGA input. Overscan is there for a reason, a lot of time it hides flaws at the edges. You never see them because any display program or device will automatically eliminate those areas
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[QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]You can eliminate overscan via the service menu But unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing, DO NOT ATTEMPT IT. Samsung 4095 I know will do 1:1 pixel mapping, but only through the VGA input. Overscan is there for a reason, a lot of time it hides flaws at the edges. You never see them because any display program or device will automatically eliminate those areas

Not only that, but none of the content that is delivered via cable, satellite or Off-Air antenea is actually the resolution that your tv can actually do. SDTV is only like 350X350 res while HD content is something less then 720p or 1080i. They don't even really sell a true 720p tv. They are all 1366X768. Without overscan the screen would not be completely filled. Yeah, those 1:1 pixel mapped displays are hard to come by.
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[QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]You can eliminate overscan via the service menu But unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing, DO NOT ATTEMPT IT. Samsung 4095 I know will do 1:1 pixel mapping, but only through the VGA input. Overscan is there for a reason, a lot of time it hides flaws at the edges. You never see them because any display program or device will automatically eliminate those areascspiffo
Not only that, but none of the content that is delivered via cable, satellite or Off-Air antenea is actually the resolution that your tv can actually do. SDTV is only like 350X350 res while HD content is something less then 720p or 1080i. They don't even really sell a true 720p tv. They are all 1366X768. Without overscan the screen would not be completely filled. Yeah, those 1:1 pixel mapped displays are hard to come by.

......................YEAH, and bravia is noticably better than samsung...i have a brvia hd in my room and a samsung in the living room...side by side, yea..i can tell the diff...and with gaming..bravia....do yourself a favor and get bravia or youll regret it later

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Not only that, but none of the content that is delivered via cable, satellite or Off-Air antenea is actually the resolution that your tv can actually do. SDTV is only like 350X350 res while HD content is something less then 720p or 1080i. They don't even really sell a true 720p tv. They are all 1366X768. Without overscan the screen would not be completely filled. Yeah, those 1:1 pixel mapped displays are hard to come by.

No, OTA programming is full resolution, it's the interference that gets in the way and kills detail. HDTV is full res OTA It's the cable companies that downres to save bandwidth. 720p is 1280x720. 1366x768 is the same resolution(or close enough) using square pixels, just like you have to use 720x480 for what is actually 640x480

i have a brvia hd in my room and a samsung in the living room...side by side, yea..i can tell the diff...and with gaming..bravia....do yourself a favor and get bravia or youll regret it later

So how are they side by side in 2 different rooms? Are they both calibrated properly? Under good lighting conditions? Same exact source material feeding them?
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Not only that, but none of the content that is delivered via cable, satellite or Off-Air antenea is actually the resolution that your tv can actually do. SDTV is only like 350X350 res while HD content is something less then 720p or 1080i. They don't even really sell a true 720p tv. They are all 1366X768. Without overscan the screen would not be completely filled. Yeah, those 1:1 pixel mapped displays are hard to come by. Kodai_kun

No, OTA programming is full resolution, it's the interference that gets in the way and kills detail. HDTV is full res OTA It's the cable companies that downres to save bandwidth. 720p is 1280x720. 1366x768 is the same resolution(or close enough) using square pixels, just like you have to use 720x480 for what is actually 640x480

i have a brvia hd in my room and a samsung in the living room...side by side, yea..i can tell the diff...and with gaming..bravia....do yourself a favor and get bravia or youll regret it later

So how are they side by side in 2 different rooms? Are they both calibrated properly? Under good lighting conditions? Same exact source material feeding them?

Even if the Bravia is calibrated well, Cnet has complained of the Bravia engine pushing reds and having inconsistant black level.  Of course take their opinion for what it's worth... Seems like the XBRs specifically have been reported with the problem too, but that may have been last years model.

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#22 playwithfire17
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Yeah but look at their complaints on samsungs. Much more abundant.

[QUOTE="playwithfire17"][QUOTE="cspiffo"][QUOTE="playwithfire17"][QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]

Sony are more expensive because they are undoubtedly the best brand of LCD on the market. Trust me I got the XBR2 (32'') and it blows the samsung and any other 32'' out of the market. And also if you need more than one HDMI in the future but a switcher box. ****** has a one-to-three box for about $150 right now. cspiffo

Sony and Samsung TVs are virtually identical. They make their panels in the same factory, and their electronics are very close in quality.

Says you. Samsung's overscan pretty badly, and their colors look a little washed out to my eyes. Also, the DNIe sucks.

All HDTV's overscan; including Sony!

...Not all do, though the majority do, and how badly differs between TVs. Samsungs panels are the worst for overscan, Sharp panels can have banding issues, and Sony's can have uneven backlighting.

You are wrong!!! All TV's HDTV and SDTV overscan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you even know what overscan is!?

You are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not all of them overscan and if they do it is fixable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...use them as pc monitors over hdmi, you'll see what ones cut off worse...
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#23 OneWingedAngeI
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ok. everyone posting here is full of crap for the most part. place the same featured sets side by side and the sony will look slightly better. sony's are overpriced, but they generally deliver a little bit better picture. nothing major though. as for the overscan argument, samsungs have a small issue with it. on some more than others. my parent's 50" plasma has it noticably, my 40" 1080p LCD does not. either way MOST tv's have overscan but a few new ones do 1:1 and will not have the issue.
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Is there a site or a list of tv's that get 1:1 pixel mapping?  I googled it and got nothing but information on what it is, not televisions that support it.
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#25 Kodai_kun
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Samsung 4095/96 and above will do it through the VGA in. I know that much
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Go the Sony. Both the Sammy and the Sony use the same panels, but the Sony uses far superior picture processing... They're more expensive for a reason.
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#27 mjarantilla
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Go the Sony. Both the Sammy and the Sony use the same panels, but the Sony uses far superior picture processing... They're more expensive for a reason.hypnotoad8128
Not really..... Once you get a top-brand LCD (Sony, Sharp, Samsung), picture quality is pretty much a wash, especially since you have to calibrate a TV to get the best picture quality, anyway.