spores anti-piracy attempt, did they get what they deserved?

6 days before Spore will even be out and it is widely available for download. at one site over 50k people downloading on a single torrent(with 10k seeders). i will not post what these sites are or whether i approve of it. But i ask you this, did the Extremely over the top Anti-Piracy methods put in spore have anything to do with what is happening now?

Why was it over the top? most of the content requires online anyway right?

No, no ammount of security warrants stealing. its obsurd to even think so, even if it is an inconviniance to the consumer. Which doesnt seem to matter with this games case because the online warrants the purchase, I would imagine it being rather bland without it.

I think they went overboard with the 3 activations that won't get refunded if you uninstall the game. (Same as Mass Effect).

In my case, I didn't play/buy MassEffect, and won't buy/play Spore either.... until they remove that activation scheme from their security. I don't mind the rest (DVD check, check when downloading new content etc), just the 3 activations limit.

Anyways, hope it succeeds for Will Wright, but I also hope they remove that (insert your own comment here) activation scheme!

Sometimes it takes peopple a long time to realize the only way to conitnue FUNDING game creation is if the consumer BUYs the game not downloads it for free.... i realized that i wish others would...ColdfireTrilogy

[QUOTE="ColdfireTrilogy"]Sometimes it takes peopple a long time to realize the only way to conitnue FUNDING game creation is if the consumer BUYs the game not downloads it for free.... i realized that i wish others would...dziunglius

Then they shouldnt have it unless its made freeware.... end of story. I cant believe this is even used as an excuse.

I'l go steal a 50 inch plasma TV of a back of a lorry because I cant afford one.... >>

I can imagine all those in favour of yes are sittin there with thier downloaded version.PC360Wii

I voted yes, even though my Spore pre order was shipped today.

While many of these people will be those who pirate anyway, a percentage of them will be people who would have purchased the game; but are avoiding the draconian copy protection.

There are many alternative options EA could have used as opposed to three install limit Securom, they chose the worse option and are now getting the backlash.

I'm getting the game even if it has this horrible copy protection, I'm a PC gamer and will support my platform; even in the hard times. I do have my limits on what I am willing to put up with, but I will never pirate a game.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]I can imagine all those in favour of yes are sittin there with thier downloaded version.AnnoyedDragon

I voted yes, even though my Spore pre order was shipped today.

While many of these people will be those who pirate anyway, a percentage of them will be people who would have purchased the game; but are avoiding the draconian copy protection.

There are many alternative options EA could have used as opposed to three install limit Securom, they chose the worse option and are now getting the backlash.

I'm getting the game even if it has this horrible copy protection, I'm a PC gamer and will support my platform; even in the hard times. I do have my limits on what I am willing to put up with, but I will never pirate a game.

So if you DL a cracked one, and got a real cd key, you can avoid the installation limits? but still go online? That doesnt sound bad, but still, if these didnt exist, then Piracy wouldnt be a problem, wether or not its better for the minority of legal downloaders, it doesnt outweigh the bad imo.

[QUOTE="ColdfireTrilogy"]Sometimes it takes peopple a long time to realize the only way to conitnue FUNDING game creation is if the consumer BUYs the game not downloads it for free.... i realized that i wish others would...dziunglius

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

[QUOTE="dziunglius"][QUOTE="ColdfireTrilogy"]Sometimes it takes peopple a long time to realize the only way to conitnue FUNDING game creation is if the consumer BUYs the game not downloads it for free.... i realized that i wish others would...Orrendamente

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

What about people in considerably poorer countries, in which a single game can cost upward to a months paycheck. Not to mention the fact that in these countries, no one cares whether these people crack a game or not because their is no law in that country about DRM.

[QUOTE="Orrendamente"]

[QUOTE="dziunglius"][QUOTE="ColdfireTrilogy"]Sometimes it takes peopple a long time to realize the only way to conitnue FUNDING game creation is if the consumer BUYs the game not downloads it for free.... i realized that i wish others would...irelevent

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

What about people in considerably poorer countries, in which a single game can cost upward to a months paycheck. Not to mention the fact that in these countries, no one cares whether these people crack a game or not because their is no law in that country about DRM.

Well, people in third world countries generally steal just to get by if they're really poor. I don't think they should be worrying too much about video games.

It's disgusting really. I'm curious to know if future Will Wright products will think PC last and support the consoles first.OoSuperMarioO

Piracy will allways be there, if people want to develop for consoles only let them, and get ready for the wave of Console Emulators for PC. You can't stop piracy, and the truth is trying to stop it the way it's done now is just flat out dumb. Heres a list of games that solved the piracy problem brilliantly and did'nt have securom etc, at least to my knowledge (lol).

Warcraft Series

Diablo series

Battlefield series

How? the games were good. The games did'nt have a brutally unfair system of "every install will cost 50$" which is likely the next step in Anti-piracy.Third but not last, they had a multiplayer system in which Individual Keys could not be used at the same time. (IMO the best anti-piracy method around)

Then they shouldnt have it unless its made freeware.... end of story. I cant believe this is even used as an excuse.

I'l go steal a 50 inch plasma TV of a back of a lorry because I cant afford one.... >>

PC360Wii

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

Orrendamente

they deserved it.simardbrad

exactly

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Then they shouldnt have it unless its made freeware.... end of story. I cant believe this is even used as an excuse.

I'l go steal a 50 inch plasma TV of a back of a lorry because I cant afford one.... >>

ElectricNZ

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

Orrendamente

*snip*

I've been waiting for someone to make this distinction. You wouldn't go steal a 50 inch plasma TV from a back of a lorry. You'd use a clone gun, make another, and take it home with you.

[QUOTE="ElectricNZ"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Then they shouldnt have it unless its made freeware.... end of story. I cant believe this is even used as an excuse.

I'l go steal a 50 inch plasma TV of a back of a lorry because I cant afford one.... >>

GodLovesDead

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

Orrendamente

*snip*

I've been waiting for someone to make this distinction. You wouldn't go steal a 50 inch plasma TV from a back of a lorry. You'd use a clone gun, make another, and take it home with you.

Techinically its correct, but its the same principle, its stealing from the creator.

Three installations limit = FAIL.

I won't be renting.. I mean "buying" the game because of that and I know I'm not the only one. I'm not saying I will pirate it, I just won't play it. Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect.

Copy protection should never be anything more than a simple cd/dvd-check or a cd-key if the game has multiplayer.

A) spore has no activation system like Mass Effect ColdfireTrilogy

A) Then why does everyone think it does? Why isn't EA correcting that idea on the Spore forums? It has limited activations, EA has flat out said that they will be using the same DRM they used in Mass Effect going forward. Not much room to wiggle there. And, as I said, if they aren't, they are sure doing a lousy job communicating that to the masses of fans on their own forums. Hell, I'm considering downloading a torrent, even though I have no intention of installing any illegal copies of this game, ever. Just to show my contempt and disgust at EA. Sort of like flipping them the bird.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="ElectricNZ"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Then they shouldnt have it unless its made freeware.... end of story. I cant believe this is even used as an excuse.

I'l go steal a 50 inch plasma TV of a back of a lorry because I cant afford one.... >>

PC360Wii

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Nothing's free, games shouldn't be any different.

Get a job, make a budget, but, ffs, don't steal.

Orrendamente

*snip*

I've been waiting for someone to make this distinction. You wouldn't go steal a 50 inch plasma TV from a back of a lorry. You'd use a clone gun, make another, and take it home with you.

Techinically its correct, but its the same principle, its stealing from the creator.

Not only that the analogy was false from the very beginning. Buying any type of software is buying a copy of it. It all starts from one source - intellectual property, the creators like you said. So dling a copy for free is stealing.

But i ask you this, did the Extremely over the top Anti-Piracy methods put in spore have anything to do with what is happening now?

irelevent

No... many games without any copy protection at all still appear on these p2p sites. It's not likely to matter much as this is going to be another cash cow for many years.

I didn't realize how draconian the install limit was for ME until after I bought it.

I mean even the Bioshock install limit was dropped...

I will never....ever ...ever ...buy a game with install limits again ! Ever...!!!

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]It's disgusting really. I'm curious to know if future Will Wright products will think PC last and support the consoles first.irelevent

Piracy will allways be there, if people want to develop for consoles only let them, and get ready for the wave of Console Emulators for PC. You can't stop piracy, and the truth is trying to stop it the way it's done now is just flat out dumb. Heres a list of games that solved the piracy problem brilliantly and did'nt have securom etc, at least to my knowledge (lol).

Warcraft Series

Diablo series

Battlefield series

How? the games were good. The games did'nt have a brutally unfair system of "every install will cost 50$" which is likely the next step in Anti-piracy.Third but not last, they had a multiplayer system in which Individual Keys could not be used at the same time. (IMO the best anti-piracy method around)

this. EA screwed up to the extreme. Spore will sell but not be what they were hoping for.

[QUOTE="irelevent"]

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]It's disgusting really. I'm curious to know if future Will Wright products will think PC last and support the consoles first.pvtdonut54

Piracy will allways be there, if people want to develop for consoles only let them, and get ready for the wave of Console Emulators for PC. You can't stop piracy, and the truth is trying to stop it the way it's done now is just flat out dumb. Heres a list of games that solved the piracy problem brilliantly and did'nt have securom etc, at least to my knowledge (lol).

Warcraft Series

Diablo series

Battlefield series

How? the games were good. The games did'nt have a brutally unfair system of "every install will cost 50$" which is likely the next step in Anti-piracy.Third but not last, they had a multiplayer system in which Individual Keys could not be used at the same time. (IMO the best anti-piracy method around)

this. EA screwed up to the extreme. Spore will sell but not be what they were hoping for.

[QUOTE="pvtdonut54"][QUOTE="irelevent"]

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]It's disgusting really. I'm curious to know if future Will Wright products will think PC last and support the consoles first.Makari

Piracy will allways be there, if people want to develop for consoles only let them, and get ready for the wave of Console Emulators for PC. You can't stop piracy, and the truth is trying to stop it the way it's done now is just flat out dumb. Heres a list of games that solved the piracy problem brilliantly and did'nt have securom etc, at least to my knowledge (lol).

Warcraft Series

Diablo series

Battlefield series

How? the games were good. The games did'nt have a brutally unfair system of "every install will cost 50$" which is likely the next step in Anti-piracy.Third but not last, they had a multiplayer system in which Individual Keys could not be used at the same time. (IMO the best anti-piracy method around)

this. EA screwed up to the extreme. Spore will sell but not be what they were hoping for.

Exactly, and anyway there are a ton of cracked servers out there. It is very easy to play battlefield online without paying for it.

6 days before Spore will even be out and it is widely available for download. at one site over 50k people downloading on a single torrent(with 10k seeders). i will not post what these sites are or whether i approve of it. But i ask you this, did the Extremely over the top Anti-Piracy methods put in spore have anything to do with what is happening now?

irelevent

All those people downloading the game are not only contributing to the slow death of PC gaming, but are the people that stand up and cry when console only games (like Gears of War2) are made. You make your bed, you have to sleep in it.

Makes me sick.

All protection does is impact on the people buying the game.

Im waiting for the idiotic bigwigs to realise that.

Exactly, and anyway there are a ton of cracked servers out there. It is very easy to play battlefield online without paying for it.musclesforcier

All those people downloading the game are not only contributing to the slow death of PC gaming, but are the people that stand up and cry when console only games (like Gears of War2) are made. You make your bed, you have to sleep in it.

Makes me sick.

Johnny_Rock

Well said!! Funny how the same people crying about games being consolized and there being a lack of exclusives for pc are the very reason it's happening. Just look at the results of this poll...almost 50/50...no wonder pc gaming is hurting the way it is and the devs keep saying that they will make no more pc exclusives. Bunch of morons...killing your own platform.

All protection does is impact on the people buying the game.

skrat_01

what they deserved? you mean consumers are justified to steal a merchandise whenever they are frustrated, even when the producers are merely trying to protect their own rights? if anything, this outrageous situation just goes to show that EA's copy protection is NOT enough to stop the pirates at bay.

behind every "yes" vote in this poll is a twisted logic that tries to put oneself above common sense and responsibilities -- consumerism at its worst. looking at this thread really makes me wonder: perhaps the "pc gaming is dead" statement isn't all bs afterall.

As many of you stated it does not matter. Because, the game would be pirated just like any other game out there. All the games gets pirated so is Spore. So I assume thats a "no they dont deserve it" .

But, if it is to be pirated , why the (________) protection ?

They do deserve it IMO, because of mistreating us PC gamers... The people who pirate will continue, the people who buy will continue to do so. Of course with some exceptions, but not to bankrupt the publisher.

This was one game that I wanted to try. Prior to reading this I didnt know there were all kinds of protections on the game to bother me. So I will simply pass on this one. There will be other great games coming out by the end of the year. Glad this helped me decide wheter to get it or no.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]I can imagine all those in favour of yes are sittin there with thier downloaded version.AnnoyedDragon

I voted yes, even though my Spore pre order was shipped today.

While many of these people will be those who pirate anyway, a percentage of them will be people who would have purchased the game; but are avoiding the draconian copy protection.

There are many alternative options EA could have used as opposed to three install limit Securom, they chose the worse option and are now getting the backlash.

I'm getting the game even if it has this horrible copy protection, I'm a PC gamer and will support my platform; even in the hard times. I do have my limits on what I am willing to put up with, but I will never pirate a game.

I have had spore for 4 days now and even I've resorted to the pirated version just to get away from the DRM.

People have generally pirated this game (some not most) to get away from the securerom, that thing is a nightmare to get rid of once on your computer and once it starts freaking out your system you may as well format.

EA could have made there own security for this title and many others but they choose one most people hate and now they are saying the results.

And you don't need to pirate the game, theres a work around already out for the legit version to get around the DRM.

But, if it is to be pirated , why the (________) protection ?

IamGrunt

(_________) protection is not designed and implemented to stop pirates (hackers and leechers), but to prevent legit customers from loaning their copies of the game to other people.

Spore looked dumb anyway.astri_14

All protection does is impact on the people buying the game.

Im waiting for the idiotic bigwigs to realise that.

skrat_01

Well, not entirely - it might prevent me from lending the game to my friends (which I frequently do), so it prevents some piracy (but not much).

Even so, piracy is never justified, and EA/Will Wright deserve better.

[QUOTE="IamGrunt"]

But, if it is to be pirated , why the (________) protection ?

teardropmina

(_________) protection is not designed and implemented to stop pirates (hackers and leechers), but to prevent legit customers from loaning their copies of the game to other people.

Well that is true too. But then again, all this protection crap exists for one primary purpose which is to try and stop piracy. I do not think that try to stop you to lend your game to your friend is their primary purpose.

Also, dont quote me on this, but IMO, they will lose more money with all the people frustated with their protection systems then if someone lend game to his/her friend.

But I just dont consider lending games to friends as stealing or piracy. I remember when I was in junior high, me and a couple of friends traded games for a few weeks because we did not have the money to get a copy.