Star Wars MMORPG thoughts

My thoughts on this new MMORPG....I really hope it doesnt turn into another Galaxies. I would also prefer a Empire time period game, not KOTOR time. Anyone else prefer it?

My concerns:

I foresee little kids out the ying yang playing and kicking your ass because they have far more time to play than working adults, and therefore can become jedi far easier than most of us. Also, I hate any game where your character carries a gun, and you dont actually aim the weapon yourself, and you depend on a skill to see if you can hit your target. This is how it was in Galaxies, I sincerly hope its not that way in this game.

I would love a game where you can be some kind of badass commando and kill jedi. I hope in this game does not make the jedi so powerful that no laser/grenade/flame thrower wielding player could ever kill them in 1 on 1.

I hear all the time how good KOTOR was, but after a watching a few gameplay vids, I really was not impressed. I saw a video of a character firing a blaster rifle at an enemy, point blank in his face and he didnt die. Please tell me some things that made KOTOR good that might be redeeming qualities for this game.

My thoughts on this new MMORPG....I really hope it doesnt turn into another Galaxies. I would also prefer a Empire time period game, not KOTOR time. Anyone else prefer it?

My concerns:

I foresee little kids out the ying yang playing and kicking your ass because they have far more time to play than working adults, and therefore can become jedi far easier than most of us. Also, I hate any game where your character carries a gun, and you dont actually aim the weapon yourself, and you depend on a skill to see if you can hit your target. This is how it was in Galaxies, I sincerly hope its not that way in this game.

I would love a game where you can be some kind of badass commando and kill jedi. I hope in this game does not make the jedi so powerful that no laser/grenade/flame thrower wielding player could ever kill them in 1 on 1.

I hear all the time how good KOTOR was, but after a watching a few gameplay vids, I really was not impressed. I saw a video of a character firing a blaster rifle at an enemy, point blank in his face and he didnt die. Please tell me some things that made KOTOR good that might be redeeming qualities for this game.

Orcishman05

My thoughts on this new MMORPG....I really hope it doesnt turn into another Galaxies. I would also prefer a Empire time period game, not KOTOR time. Anyone else prefer it?

My concerns:

I foresee little kids out the ying yang playing and kicking your ass because they have far more time to play than working adults, and therefore can become jedi far easier than most of us. Also, I hate any game where your character carries a gun, and you dont actually aim the weapon yourself, and you depend on a skill to see if you can hit your target. This is how it was in Galaxies, I sincerly hope its not that way in this game.

I would love a game where you can be some kind of badass commando and kill jedi. I hope in this game does not make the jedi so powerful that no laser/grenade/flame thrower wielding player could ever kill them in 1 on 1.

I hear all the time how good KOTOR was, but after a watching a few gameplay vids, I really was not impressed. I saw a video of a character firing a blaster rifle at an enemy, point blank in his face and he didnt die. Please tell me some things that made KOTOR good that might be redeeming qualities for this game.

Orcishman05

So you want a *KOTOR* MMO to be set in the Empire time period as opposed to the KOTOR time period. Yeah, good luck with that.

And only a completely moronic, blind SW fanboy would want the MMO to be set in the Empire time period. This particular period has been milked enough by...well just about everyone. It wasn't interesting the first time, and it sure as hell won't be interesting now unless you enjoy shallow characters and themes.

But then again, KOTOR 1 is not a whole lot different. If this new KOTOR game was a proper RPG developed by Obsidian, then there would be hope for an interesting and proper sequel much like the fantastic KOTOR II. But as it is, it's an MMORPG developed by Bioware, so we can expect more generic drivel courtesy of the crappy Star Wars lore and Bioware game design.

Also expect plenty of milking from EA. I can't wait to spend extra money to buy content that should have been included in the original game.

Umm are you seriuous? I HOPE SO MUCh it's like Star Wars galaxies (PRE CU&SOE) because I don't care what anyone says, before the CU and SOE stepping in SWG was the best mmo ever realesed. Period.fatzebra

SWG was by SOE...always..

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My thoughts on this new MMORPG....I really hope it doesnt turn into another Galaxies. I would also prefer a Empire time period game, not KOTOR time. Anyone else prefer it?

My concerns:

I foresee little kids out the ying yang playing and kicking your ass because they have far more time to play than working adults, and therefore can become jedi far easier than most of us. Also, I hate any game where your character carries a gun, and you dont actually aim the weapon yourself, and you depend on a skill to see if you can hit your target. This is how it was in Galaxies, I sincerly hope its not that way in this game.

I would love a game where you can be some kind of badass commando and kill jedi. I hope in this game does not make the jedi so powerful that no laser/grenade/flame thrower wielding player could ever kill them in 1 on 1.

I hear all the time how good KOTOR was, but after a watching a few gameplay vids, I really was not impressed. I saw a video of a character firing a blaster rifle at an enemy, point blank in his face and he didnt die. Please tell me some things that made KOTOR good that might be redeeming qualities for this game.

_Memento_

So you want a *KOTOR* MMO to be set in the Empire time period as opposed to the KOTOR time period. Yeah, good luck with that.

And only a completely moronic, blind SW fanboy would want the MMO to be set in the Empire time period. This particular period has been milked enough by...well just about everyone. It wasn't interesting the first time, and it sure as hell won't be interesting now unless you enjoy shallow characters and themes.

But then again, KOTOR 1 is not a whole lot different. If this new KOTOR game was a proper RPG developed by Obsidian, then there would be hope for an interesting and proper sequel much like the fantastic KOTOR II. But as it is, it's an MMORPG developed by Bioware, so we can expect more generic drivel courtesy of the crappy Star Wars lore and Bioware game design.

Also expect plenty of milking from EA. I can't wait to spend extra money to buy content that should have been included in the original game.

Bioware made KotOR 1.. which was a better storyline that KotOR 2..

I feel like the rather large number of Star Wars games has seriously dilluted their meaningfulness. Yeah, okay, lightsabres, tying legs up on Hoth, some dogfights in space and maybe destroying the Death Star yet again. I get it already, seriously.

This game in particular especially is funny since there already is a Star Wars MMORPG. Everybody thinks they can be the next WoW. Let's face it; WoW is probably the primary reason they are trying to do another Star Wars MMORPG. All these game developers look at WoW's income and think, "Gee, maybe we should try that." The irony is that probably the only game that will get anywhere near the number of subscribers as WoW any time soon is Blizzard's next "top secret" MMO.

Anyway, yeah, another Stars Game. Okay, I just totally don't care anymore. I can't think of anything that they could include at this point that would necessitate a Star Wars license which would actually make this game interesting to me. Lightsabres, yep. Wookies, yep. X-Wings, yep. Been there, done that twenty times already...yep.

[QUOTE="Orcishman05"]

My thoughts on this new MMORPG....I really hope it doesnt turn into another Galaxies. I would also prefer a Empire time period game, not KOTOR time. Anyone else prefer it?

My concerns:

I foresee little kids out the ying yang playing and kicking your ass because they have far more time to play than working adults, and therefore can become jedi far easier than most of us. Also, I hate any game where your character carries a gun, and you dont actually aim the weapon yourself, and you depend on a skill to see if you can hit your target. This is how it was in Galaxies, I sincerly hope its not that way in this game.

I would love a game where you can be some kind of badass commando and kill jedi. I hope in this game does not make the jedi so powerful that no laser/grenade/flame thrower wielding player could ever kill them in 1 on 1.

I hear all the time how good KOTOR was, but after a watching a few gameplay vids, I really was not impressed. I saw a video of a character firing a blaster rifle at an enemy, point blank in his face and he didnt die. Please tell me some things that made KOTOR good that might be redeeming qualities for this game.

_Memento_

So you want a *KOTOR* MMO to be set in the Empire time period as opposed to the KOTOR time period. Yeah, good luck with that.

And only a completely moronic, blind SW fanboy would want the MMO to be set in the Empire time period. This particular period has been milked enough by...well just about everyone. It wasn't interesting the first time, and it sure as hell won't be interesting now unless you enjoy shallow characters and themes.

But then again, KOTOR 1 is not a whole lot different. If this new KOTOR game was a proper RPG developed by Obsidian, then there would be hope for an interesting and proper sequel much like the fantastic KOTOR II. But as it is, it's an MMORPG developed by Bioware, so we can expect more generic drivel courtesy of the crappy Star Wars lore and Bioware game design.

Also expect plenty of milking from EA. I can't wait to spend extra money to buy content that should have been included in the original game.

i want an Empire time MMO. :| theme? lol.....you mean you sense a THEME in KOTOR games? lol.....the old republic shares every SW characteristics the empire period has. if anything, the Empire era is much more vibrant as a game world.

and yea, TC, commando > Jedi, ANYDAY. ;)

To be honest I expect the worst for several reasons.

Bioware seem to be a poor choice for an MMO. Don't get me wrong I generally love Biowares games and belive I have them all on the shelf. But it just strikes me that what I enjoy in Biowares games is all the aspects that focuses on the single player experience: The games are centered around YOU. Your the big hero who are destined to save the world / universe / whatever, You are the one who ends up being super powerful. The enjoyable aspect of the games is the storytelling, the plots and the characters.

None of Biowares strengths plays into the MMO genre. You can't really write a story centered game about how 'you' are the great hero when you have 500.000 other 'chosen one' heroes running around spmming LFG!

Bioware was never really good with bug testing or the technical challanges of making games. Kotor 1 and 2 + Jade Empire were REALLY basic from a graphical /thecnical perspective (Ever notice how their engine didnt really support 3d, but rather relied on keeping everything on a single level). Their titles always tend to have game breaking bugs realted to quests and events. Now all those are what they are in story teller centered single player games. In an MMO, which represent a MUCH MUCH bigger challange in technical terms. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see anything in biowars past that indicates that they are capable of taking on a challange like that.

For the person who hoped it would be 'like the pre-cu', Sorry to break it to you :P Not a chance in the lower pits of hell. First, the pre-cu was a disaster (which is what drove SOE to try, first the CU then the NGE). Second a Pre-CU game style dosent really support the SW franchise and it's generally not centered onrecreating 'the star wars adventure'. Third, looking at the succesful MMO's out there and everything points to a 'wow like' experience. The only exceptions are really EVE and Ultima Online. Wow, LoTR, EQ/EQ2, CoX and AoC are all centered on 'kill mob, level up, get phawt lewt. Not the sandbox style 'virtual world centered type of gameplay that was the hallmark of the pre-cu in swg.

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with but im not holding my breath.

Dude, did you even play KotOR? Both 1 and 2 were based off of turn-based combat and skill levels. shaddix55

yeah, and KOTOR was really known for it's amazing story and RPG elements

Pre CU and NGE SWG really wasn't all that bad. Having said that, I expect a lot more out of an MMO now. WoW and others have popped up since then, and SWG just wouldn't have cut it even if it wasn't nerfed to hell and back.

I really hope Bioware pulls it off, as Star Wars is a great franchise for an MMO, but like others have expressed, I have sincere doubts it will be successfully implemented. But I guess it really CAN'T be worse than SWG, especially in its current form :P

As for KOTOR setting vs. Empire setting, I really don't care. Star Wars is Star Wars. Give me a good Star Wars MMO and the setting really doesn't matter to me.

Third, looking at the succesful MMO's out there and everything points to a 'wow like' experience. The only exceptions are really EVE and Ultima Online. Wow, LoTR, EQ/EQ2, CoX and AoC are all centered on 'kill mob, level up, get phawt lewt. Not the sandbox style 'virtual world centered type of gameplay that was the hallmark of the pre-cu in swg.

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with but im not holding my breath.

Mazoch

You said AoC... No. AoC is a lot different then WoW. The thing I hate about WoW is the combat. AoC's combat is amazing I wish other game developers would see what AoC is doing and improve the combat even more. That is why I like AoC so much compared to others.

But I bet just like WoW thsi will have the same gay fighting system maybe even as gay as Kotor (which was very very horrible btw). I will most likely not touch this game as bioware won't make it any good if its like Kotor fighting/WoW fighting. I liked Star wars galaxies though I found that fun for awhile not so much now as its old now :P.

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Third, looking at the succesful MMO's out there and everything points to a 'wow like' experience. The only exceptions are really EVE and Ultima Online. Wow, LoTR, EQ/EQ2, CoX and AoC are all centered on 'kill mob, level up, get phawt lewt. Not the sandbox style 'virtual world centered type of gameplay that was the hallmark of the pre-cu in swg.

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with but im not holding my breath.

blade55555

You said AoC... No. AoC is a lot different then WoW. The thing I hate about WoW is the combat. AoC's combat is amazing I wish other game developers would see what AoC is doing and improve the combat even more. That is why I like AoC so much compared to others.

But I bet just like WoW thsi will have the same gay fighting system maybe even as gay as Kotor (which was very very horrible btw). I will most likely not touch this game as bioware won't make it any good if its like Kotor fighting/WoW fighting. I liked Star wars galaxies though I found that fun for awhile not so much now as its old now :P.

AoC isn't all that it's cracked up to be. I really don't see how the combat can be considered "better". Sure, no auto attack, but other than that, I really don't see much of a difference. Add to the fact that PvP is horribly unbalanced in AoC, and well, it leaves much to be desired. Not horrible, but the game has several issues that need to be addressed.

I personally am not into to these alternate Star Wars periods like KOTOR and the prequels, so I doubt I will get involved with the KOTOR MMO. Even if I was ok with the time period, I still doubt I would give another Star Wars MMO a try after the NGE.

That said, I think there is going to be a problem with how Jedi are handled. In the movies, Jedi are the most powerful. Therefore, in order to stay true to the story, a fully trained jedi must be more powerful than any other profession. If there are professions other than Jedi, this creates a problem. Self interest will compel member of other professions to dislike and consequently complaint about the imbalance. This is what happened in SWG that led to the disasterous NGE.

I think we can safely assume that Jedi will be in the game because they think it will sell boxes. So Bioware has two choices. Either have Jedi as the only playable profession or have jedi and other types of professions as playable. Both have problems.

If bioware has both Jedi and other professions, it is going to to balance them so that Jedi are just as weak as every other profession. This essentially trashes the story and sends the message that Star Wars is merely a skin for their new WoW clone. If I had to place a bet, it would be on this model. With the recent release of Soul Caliber IV, Lucas Arts has shown it doesn't really care about remaining faithful to the Star Wars story in video games.

The other option is to make various types of Jedi the only playable profession. While this has the virtue of remaining faithful to the story, it is dull. Who wants to be in a virtual world populated with only Jedi. I guess if they go the Guild Wars route of having just a bunch of instances, rather than a real virtual world, this isn't as big of a problem. There is some reason to suggest the annoucement about the game said it would have "MMO elements," which suggests it won't be a real MMORPG.

So while the Star Wars name will sell lots of boxes, it creates big problems in a MMO. I don't think it will be worth it in the long run for Bioware. MMOs have a tendency to create ill will among the player. None more so than the first Star Wars MMORPG, SWG. I fear Bioware will suffer the same fate. Lucas Arts will just reap the license fees.