TES MMO 3rd person Hotkey confirmed

http://imgur.com/a/fO9Ty#0

*sigh* And here I thought something beautiful was happening.

http://imgur.com/a/fO9Ty#0

*sigh* And here I thought something beautiful was happening.

lordreaven

http://imgur.com/a/fO9Ty#0

*sigh* And here I thought something beautiful was happening.

lordreaven

It was a good idea when they started in 2007.

Meh, if there's one company I'd least expect to break the mold and push some boundaries, it's Bethesda. It's going to fall into the same trap ToR fell into. MadCat46

[QUOTE="MadCat46"]Meh, if there's one company I'd least expect to break the mold and push some boundaries, it's Bethesda. It's going to fall into the same trap ToR fell into. FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="MadCat46"]Meh, if there's one company I'd least expect to break the mold and push some boundaries, it's Bethesda. It's going to fall into the same trap ToR fell into. MadCat46

Now, this is not what I had hoped for :(

It seems like it only really is a TES in name and lore.

Instanced dungeons also confirmed. Also, most of the stuff GW2 is doing are also confirmed. Btw, it's using the same crappy engine SWTOR is using. Such a pity, this could be awsome, but it'll turn out to be just another crappy theme-park...

Damnit, just imagine the possiblities if they made it a sandbox...guilds taking over towns, running the taxes on the shops, guild leader is the 'count', other guilds can besiege them, fights over Aeylid ruins and the secrets that they hide....

But no, instead, we get sit in town all day, run instance after instance, so you can get better gear, and that better gear will help you being good in the next instance....

....

Who cares when it'll be another guaranteed WoW killer?

And I was so excited too.

As someone who isn't a big MMO guy, I don't care for this, and hopefully if a Fallou MMO every happens it can turn out great.

Wasn't expecting much either. Thank god for that sandbox vampire mmorpg that is being developed. Now that sounds like a proper mmorpg.

Wow...this killed all my excitement for the game.

Instead of making a cool and unique MMO they are making a casual "WoW" clone set in the Elder Scrolls universe. I usually don't say this but I truly do hope this game fails. I don't mean that maliciously, I just don't like the trend of developers taking beloved SP series and cutting out everything that makes them unique in order to make them an MMO.

The SP Elder Scrolls games sell like wildfire why would you want to make them into a tab target generic MMO!?!?

Wow...this killed all my excitement for the game.

Instead of making a cool and unique MMO they are making a casual "WoW" clone set in the Elder Scrolls universe. I usually don't say this but I truly do hope this game fails. I don't mean that maliciously, I just don't like the trend of developers taking beloved SP series and cutting out everything that makes them unique in order to make them an MMO.

The SP Elder Scrolls games sell like wildfire why would you want to make them into a tab target generic MMO!?!?

Croag821

[QUOTE="Croag821"]

Wow...this killed all my excitement for the game.

Instead of making a cool and unique MMO they are making a casual "WoW" clone set in the Elder Scrolls universe. I usually don't say this but I truly do hope this game fails. I don't mean that maliciously, I just don't like the trend of developers taking beloved SP series and cutting out everything that makes them unique in order to make them an MMO.

The SP Elder Scrolls games sell like wildfire why would you want to make them into a tab target generic MMO!?!?

FPSfan1985

I think you're missing the point.. Reason people loved the elder scroll games is because of exactly that.. they were elder scroll games.. they had their own unique feel to them and sense of exploration. By making this MMO 3rd person hotkey, it is not derivative of the elder scroll games, merely the same ol 'mmo formula. Also, ToR was NOT a money trap hahaha.. If anything, it was a disappointment to EA.

As if betraying the core concepts and philosphy of the TES series wasnt enough, the lore seems to be horribly mistreated as well. Why the hell are the Dark elves teamed up with Argonians and Nords?

As if betraying the core concepts and philosphy of the TES series wasnt enough, the lore seems to be horribly mistreated as well. Why the hell are the Dark elves teamed up with Argonians and Nords?

Maroxad

Shh... the Dev cannot cater to the lore just because you want it to be accurate.:roll:

In all seriousness though, this sounds like it's gonna be bad.

[QUOTE="Croag821"]

Wow...this killed all my excitement for the game.

Instead of making a cool and unique MMO they are making a casual "WoW" clone set in the Elder Scrolls universe. I usually don't say this but I truly do hope this game fails. I don't mean that maliciously, I just don't like the trend of developers taking beloved SP series and cutting out everything that makes them unique in order to make them an MMO.

The SP Elder Scrolls games sell like wildfire why would you want to make them into a tab target generic MMO!?!?

FPSfan1985

I don't think you understand the situation. The problem isn't me not me getting what I want. The problem is they are totally changing their game to make it an MMO and are going to alienate a lot of their long term customers.

It's basically equivalent to Valve suddenly announcing the next Counter Strike is going to be a single player story based tacticle shooter.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="Croag821"]

Wow...this killed all my excitement for the game.

Instead of making a cool and unique MMO they are making a casual "WoW" clone set in the Elder Scrolls universe. I usually don't say this but I truly do hope this game fails. I don't mean that maliciously, I just don't like the trend of developers taking beloved SP series and cutting out everything that makes them unique in order to make them an MMO.

The SP Elder Scrolls games sell like wildfire why would you want to make them into a tab target generic MMO!?!?

Croag821

I don't think you understand the situation. The problem isn't me not me getting what I want. The problem is they are totally changing their game to make it an MMO and are going to alienate a lot of their long term customers.

It's basically equivalent to Valve suddenly announcing the next Counter Strike is going to be a single player story based tacticle shooter.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="Croag821"]

Wow...this killed all my excitement for the game.

Instead of making a cool and unique MMO they are making a casual "WoW" clone set in the Elder Scrolls universe. I usually don't say this but I truly do hope this game fails. I don't mean that maliciously, I just don't like the trend of developers taking beloved SP series and cutting out everything that makes them unique in order to make them an MMO.

The SP Elder Scrolls games sell like wildfire why would you want to make them into a tab target generic MMO!?!?

mr_zombie60

I think you're missing the point.. Reason people loved the elder scroll games is because of exactly that.. they were elder scroll games.. they had their own unique feel to them and sense of exploration. By making this MMO 3rd person hotkey, it is not derivative of the elder scroll games, merely the same ol 'mmo formula. Also, ToR was NOT a money trap hahaha.. If anything, it was a disappointment to EA.

[QUOTE="Croag821"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Because people enjoy them. Shame on that dev for catering to anyone that doesn't share identical gaming tastes as you.... Get over yourself.FPSfan1985

I don't think you understand the situation. The problem isn't me not me getting what I want. The problem is they are totally changing their game to make it an MMO and are going to alienate a lot of their long term customers.

It's basically equivalent to Valve suddenly announcing the next Counter Strike is going to be a single player story based tacticle shooter.

But if that same restauant announces that from next month, they are gonna start serving a new version of your favourite dish that you enjoyed for years, and that new thing is bascially a turd on a plate, wouldn't you be at the very least a little bit annoyed?

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="Croag821"]

I don't think you understand the situation. The problem isn't me not me getting what I want. The problem is they are totally changing their game to make it an MMO and are going to alienate a lot of their long term customers.

It's basically equivalent to Valve suddenly announcing the next Counter Strike is going to be a single player story based tacticle shooter.

QQabitmoar

But if that same restauant announces that from next month, they are gonna start serving a new version of your favourite dish that you enjoyed for years, and that new thing is bascially a turd on a plate, wouldn't you be at the very least a little bit annoyed?

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] That would only be true if they completely stopping making the offline games. Seeing how they were developing this along side ESV thats just not the case. I swear only gamers get mad about having more product options. If you go to a restaurant and don't like something on the menu you simply ignore it, you don't demand the managers take it off the menu. Don't like theme park MMOs? Ignore them.FPSfan1985

But if that same restauant announces that from next month, they are gonna start serving a new version of your favourite dish that you enjoyed for years, and that new thing is bascially a turd on a plate, wouldn't you be at the very least a little bit annoyed?

He has nothing against it being an MMO. His complaint about this game is that is a WoW clone as opposed to a proper sandbox mmo.

He (or rather we) wants this, (examples here made up on the spot)

QQabitmoar is the leader of a guild, who just happens to be allied with another guild, led by Maroxad Khan. However, one day QQabitmoar decides that the iron mines near my base would do a fine job supplementing his forces, and decides to betray me, conquering my guild town and claiming the iron mines for himself and his guild.

Or, Maroxad Khan is member of a guild, however, one day he decides to mess with another guild a bit of a different alliance, Maroxad Khan's very actions result in a war between the two guilds. However, it did not stop there, both guilds pulled in frienldy guilds to help them and soon a full scale war between multiple guilds had started. An alliance not too far away is well aware of the chaos going on and decides to take advantage of it, and joins the fray, fighting us both. The impact of said war resonated not only among us 3, but towards everyone on the server, for both good and ill.

Basicly, what we want is player politics, guild drama, e-rivalries, a world we have an impact on, freedom, proper PvP, and basicly a world as opposed to a game.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

But if that same restauant announces that from next month, they are gonna start serving a new version of your favourite dish that you enjoyed for years, and that new thing is bascially a turd on a plate, wouldn't you be at the very least a little bit annoyed?

Maroxad

He has nothing against it being an MMO. His complaint about this game is that is a WoW clone as opposed to a proper sandbox mmo.

He (or rather we) wants this, (examples here made up on the spot)

QQabitmoar is the leader of a guild, who just happens to be allied with another guild, led by Maroxad Khan. However, one day QQabitmoar decides that the iron mines near my base would do a fine job supplementing his forces, and decides to betray me, conquering my guild town and claiming the iron mines for himself and his guild.

Or, Maroxad Khan is member of a guild, however, one day he decides to mess with another guild a bit of a different alliance, Maroxad Khan's very actions result in a war between the two guilds. However, it did not stop there, both guilds pulled in frienldy guilds to help them and soon a full scale war between multiple guilds had started. An alliance not too far away is well aware of the chaos going on and decides to take advantage of it, and joins the fray, fighting us both. The impact of said war resonated not only among us 3, but towards everyone on the server, for both good and ill.

Basicly, what we want is player politics, guild drama, e-rivalries, a world we have an impact on, freedom, proper PvP, and basicly a world as opposed to a game.

This man gets it. Imagine guild warfare, sieging Solitude with your guild and allies, in order to control the taxes of the nothern sea's trade routes and the important shops in the city...

Being the count of Cheydinhall and worrying about attacks from that new zerg that formed in Morrowind...

Or fighting over ruins, artifacts, etc.

Why not throw some sea combat in there as well? Guilds can build ships, and sail to Summerset Isle, which could be a high-level zone. Questline? Sure. Only way to progress in the game? No.

Large scale guild warfare isn't the only thing. Small scale PvP over control of stuff found while exploring, such as ruins and artifacts....Most mass PvP and guild wars in L2 started because of that, control over PvE spots...

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

But if that same restauant announces that from next month, they are gonna start serving a new version of your favourite dish that you enjoyed for years, and that new thing is bascially a turd on a plate, wouldn't you be at the very least a little bit annoyed?

Maroxad

He has nothing against it being an MMO. His complaint about this game is that is a WoW clone as opposed to a proper sandbox mmo.

He (or rather we) wants this, (examples here made up on the spot)

QQabitmoar is the leader of a guild, who just happens to be allied with another guild, led by Maroxad Khan. However, one day QQabitmoar decides that the iron mines near my base would do a fine job supplementing his forces, and decides to betray me, conquering my guild town and claiming the iron mines for himself and his guild.

Or, Maroxad Khan is member of a guild, however, one day he decides to mess with another guild a bit of a different alliance, Maroxad Khan's very actions result in a war between the two guilds. However, it did not stop there, both guilds pulled in frienldy guilds to help them and soon a full scale war between multiple guilds had started. An alliance not too far away is well aware of the chaos going on and decides to take advantage of it, and joins the fray, fighting us both. The impact of said war resonated not only among us 3, but towards everyone on the server, for both good and ill.

Basicly, what we want is player politics, guild drama, e-rivalries, a world we have an impact on, freedom, proper PvP, and basicly a world as opposed to a game.

That would only be true if they completely stopping making the offline games. Seeing how they were developing this along side ESV thats just not the case. I swear only gamers get mad about having more product options. If you go to a restaurant and don't like something on the menu you simply ignore it, you don't demand the managers take it off the menu. Don't like theme park MMOs? Ignore them.FPSfan1985

You have a valid point about the development of the MMO not meaning the end of SP Elder Scrolls games, I still would find it hard to believe it wouldn't have any effect but that's just an assumption.

I still think it's a damn waste of a great fanchise though...the Elder Scrolls just has so much going for it if the developers had the balls to make it more of a sandbox MMO.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]That would only be true if they completely stopping making the offline games. Seeing how they were developing this along side ESV thats just not the case. I swear only gamers get mad about having more product options. If you go to a restaurant and don't like something on the menu you simply ignore it, you don't demand the managers take it off the menu. Don't like theme park MMOs? Ignore them.Croag821

You have a valid point about the development of the MMO not meaning the end of SP Elder Scrolls games, I still would find it hard to believe it wouldn't have any effect but that's just an assumption.

I still think it's a damn waste of a great fanchise though...the Elder Scrolls just has so much going for it if the developers had the balls to make it more of a sandbox MMO.

I'm open to almost any idea, but thats simply not the gaming world we live in anymore. Extreme changes are almost always throw aside in this new generation of gaming. I don't blame any publisher for wanting to protect there pockets in sacrifice of creativity. Just look @ Lord of the Rings Online a really fantastic MMOs that tried alot of new things, but ended up going F2P.FPSfan1985

Yeah I suppose.

With games (especially MMOs) costing so much money to make these days developers aren't really taking near as many. Also since most gamers casual players that means any game seeking a million+ players will cater towards them.

I am still waiting for a AAA developer to take some risks on a sandbox MMO though, I'd love to see a Darkfall or Mortal Online style game with a SWTOR budget and workforce, but I guess The Elder Scrolls Online won't be it.

[QUOTE="Croag821"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]That would only be true if they completely stopping making the offline games. Seeing how they were developing this along side ESV thats just not the case. I swear only gamers get mad about having more product options. If you go to a restaurant and don't like something on the menu you simply ignore it, you don't demand the managers take it off the menu. Don't like theme park MMOs? Ignore them.FPSfan1985

You have a valid point about the development of the MMO not meaning the end of SP Elder Scrolls games, I still would find it hard to believe it wouldn't have any effect but that's just an assumption.

I still think it's a damn waste of a great fanchise though...the Elder Scrolls just has so much going for it if the developers had the balls to make it more of a sandbox MMO.

A new game with the same gameplay as wow but with a different theme? Way to innovate a genre! (sarcasm)

Who cares when it'll be another guaranteed WoW killer?

-Unreal-

My God, the gaming industry is stagnating fast. It's like Hollywood, same old crap redone over and over until you want to throw up. I have absolutely no interest in another MMO (or any MMO at all ever for that matter) and Skyrim was a major disappointment.SKaREO

Major disappointment..? What did you expect?

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]My God, the gaming industry is stagnating fast. It's like Hollywood, same old crap redone over and over until you want to throw up. I have absolutely no interest in another MMO (or any MMO at all ever for that matter) and Skyrim was a major disappointment.mr_zombie60

Major disappointment..? What did you expect?

[QUOTE="mr_zombie60"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]My God, the gaming industry is stagnating fast. It's like Hollywood, same old crap redone over and over until you want to throw up. I have absolutely no interest in another MMO (or any MMO at all ever for that matter) and Skyrim was a major disappointment.SKaREO

Major disappointment..? What did you expect?

Why must a game always be on a fresh new slate to be considered good? The game was loyal to its predecessor and to a formula that worked. The game explored a couple new ideas such as dragons and shouts and most people are content with that. I agree dragon fights were awkward, but the dragons still felt empowering and they really added to the atmosphere. In terms of Dirext X9, I was a bit disappointed but I stopped caring when credible mods arrived.. I dont see lack of next gen looks as a realistic complaint when free mods are sitting right next to you that easily surpass the look of "next-gen".

Overrall, the game contained over a hundred hours of content and locations to explore, so if you think that isnt worth the $60 price tag, then Im baffled as to what is, lol. I enjoyed Oblivion more (as it was my first elder scrolls game), but to deny this game's value seems foolish.