The 8800GT is by no means "way" better than an old GTS.

Could you explain to me the point of this rant?

Not only is the 8800gt superior to the GTS 640mb it is also cheaper.

(prices from dabs.com)

8800gts 640mb £235 inc vat

8800gt 512mb £204 inc vat (with some as cheap as £185!)

Even going by your benchmarks (so where's the non-overclocked GTS? All I'm seeing are overclocked versions), the GT is cheaper the the 8800GTS, and FASTER then the 8800GTS (640meg) in the majority of situations.

Stop trying to justify your own purchase.

Could you explain to me the point of this rant?

Not only is the 8800gt superior to the GTS 640mb it is also cheaper.

(prices from dabs.com)

8800gts 640mb £235 inc vat

8800gt 512mb £204 inc vat (with some as cheap as £185!)

Dancing_Panda

And second is to show everyone that the 8800GT simply destroys the 3870 and there is no contest here.I have seen people asking about 3870 vs 8800GT clearly stating that they have the money to buy the more expensive GT if it's worth it and the responses from some of the more intelligent posters here have been quite strange.

Even going by your benchmarks (so where's the non-overclocked GTS? All I'm seeing are overclocked versions), the GT is cheaper the the 8800GTS, and FASTER then the 8800GTS (640meg) in the majority of situations.

Stop trying to justify your own purchase.

G013M

I am not trying to say that the GTS is a valid card cuz it isnt due to it's price,but the difference betwen the 2 cards is far less than what people think.Did you not see that the GTS actually wins in 2 games out of 5 which used filters?

[QUOTE="G013M"]

Even going by your benchmarks (so where's the non-overclocked GTS? All I'm seeing are overclocked versions), the GT is cheaper the the 8800GTS, and FASTER then the 8800GTS (640meg) in the majority of situations.

Stop trying to justify your own purchase.

Thinker_145

I am not trying to say that the GTS is a valid card cuz it isnt due to it's price,but the difference betwen the 2 cards is far less than what people think.Did you not see that the GTS actually wins in 2 games out of 5 which used filters?

They had the frequencies wrong then.

But the thing is that in games such as crysis, people aren't exactly going to be moving up in the AA and the AF, and the 8800GTS's advatange is pretty much nulled and in other games where you can, you'll still easily be above playable FPS levels.

Besides most people (or at least I) see the GT as a "way" better card in performance and price. Cheaper then the GTS, and (taking your quote) faster in 3 out of 5 games -- that pretty much kills any reason to buy an 8800GTS 640 meg.

And yes, the GTS may gain some when AA and AF is on, but look futher on in the track, when both cards are struggling. You may hit the case were the GT still maintains playable framerates, and the GTS does not.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="G013M"]

Even going by your benchmarks (so where's the non-overclocked GTS? All I'm seeing are overclocked versions), the GT is cheaper the the 8800GTS, and FASTER then the 8800GTS (640meg) in the majority of situations.

Stop trying to justify your own purchase.

G013M

I am not trying to say that the GTS is a valid card cuz it isnt due to it's price,but the difference betwen the 2 cards is far less than what people think.Did you not see that the GTS actually wins in 2 games out of 5 which used filters?

They had the frequencies wrong then.

But the thing is that in games such as crysis, people aren't exactly going to be moving up in the AA and the AF, and the 8800GTS's advatange is pretty much nulled and in other games where you can, you'll still easily be above playable FPS levels.

Besides most people (or at least I) see the GT as a "way" better card in performance and price. Cheaper then the GTS, and (taking your quote) faster in 3 out of 5 games -- that pretty much kills any reason to buy an 8800GTS 640 meg.

ANd i knew somebody would bring up crysis mentioning filters.Well those people who dont play crysis with AA want to game on the native res of their LCD and that is their own loss.I'll give you an example.

Crysis in 10x7 with 4xAA looks "vastly" superior to 12x10 with no AA and guess what it performs 4fps faster in 10x7 with 4xAA.So if somebody play's crysis in a higher res without AA than it's their loss.I played crysis in all high settings in XP with 4xAA and 16xAF in 10x7.

And 12x10 with 2xAA becomes quite demanding.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="G013M"]

Even going by your benchmarks (so where's the non-overclocked GTS? All I'm seeing are overclocked versions), the GT is cheaper the the 8800GTS, and FASTER then the 8800GTS (640meg) in the majority of situations.

Stop trying to justify your own purchase.

G013M

I am not trying to say that the GTS is a valid card cuz it isnt due to it's price,but the difference betwen the 2 cards is far less than what people think.Did you not see that the GTS actually wins in 2 games out of 5 which used filters?

And yes, the GTS may gain some when AA and AF is on, but look futher on in the track, when both cards are struggling. You may hit the case were the GT still maintains playable framerates, and the GTS does not.

However when you say that the GT will be giving playable fps and the GTS wont be,you have to realize that the GTS has more RAM.I hope you get the point here.;)

Well, from the graph at the bottom of the page, the GTS beats the GT twice.

"The GeForce 8800 GT on average is faster than the GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB by 14% !"

But look, the GT is "vastly superior" to the GTS becuase it's combination of price and performance (Which both singlely beat the GTS) creates an overall product which just beats the GTS on all levels.

When the original GTS and the GT were still both out, there really wasn't any reason to buy the GTS.

Well, from the graph at the bottom of the page, the GTS beats the GT twice.

"The GeForce 8800 GT on average is faster than the GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB by 14% !"

But look, the GT is "vastly superior" to the GTS becuase it's combination of price and performance (Which both singlely beat the GTS) creates an overall product which just beats the GTS on all levels.

When the original GTS and the GT were still both out, there really wasn't any reason to buy the GTS.

G013M

And people also think that the GT gives "GTX level of performance" which is again incorret.Remember that the gap between the old GTS and GTX "increases" once you up the filters.I havent really seen the performance of the new GTS in detail but i am pretty sure that the GTX is a better card overall despite people thinking that the new GTS is more powerful.

Honestly, all those 8800 cards are playing within a limited performance range. I don't really see the point of having that many models who perform so similar, let alone upgrading from one 8800 to another. Gog

I just worked it out and got 11% increase. So going to 4AA and 16AF takes off 3%, take away WiC, and I'm sure that you'd get an increase that it closer to 14%.

Perhaps I counted different ones?

Isnt the GTS 512GB better than the GT 512GB??eskiboildn

The new model GTS is faster then the GT. The GTS 640 meg is slower though.

I just worked it out and got 11% increase. So going to 4AA and 16AF takes off 3%, take away WiC, and I'm sure that you'd get an increase that it closer to 14%.

Perhaps I counted different ones?

G013M

[QUOTE="G013M"]

I just worked it out and got 11% increase. So going to 4AA and 16AF takes off 3%, take away WiC, and I'm sure that you'd get an increase that it closer to 14%.

Perhaps I counted different ones?

Thinker_145

I was using the graph, with the 1280x1024 resolution and adding together the percentages that were using AA and AF, then divided by the number of percentages. Which equaled 111.2 for me.

I'll try again then, with both resolutions.

Ok I got 110.6 this time using both.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="G013M"]

I just worked it out and got 11% increase. So going to 4AA and 16AF takes off 3%, take away WiC, and I'm sure that you'd get an increase that it closer to 14%.

Perhaps I counted different ones?

G013M

I was using the graph, with the 1280x1024 resolution and adding together the percentages that were using AA and AF, then divided by the number of percentages. Which equaled 111.2 for me.

I'll try again then, with both resolutions.

Ok I got 110.6 this time using both.

118 117 109 109 92 98 109 113 106 107 124 126 113 113 116 116 117 117 96 96

And i didnt use stalker cuz they were not using AA with that.

[QUOTE="Gog"]Honestly, all those 8800 cards are playing within a limited performance range. I don't really see the point of having that many models who perform so similar, let alone upgrading from one 8800 to another. gamer082009

So it just depends on what you were trying to achieve with the 320MB GTS.

Why are you using 3d mark.:?

And i didnt use stalker cuz they were not using AA with that.

Thinker_145

AF is still AF, which is still a form of filtering which from what you've been saying, would be advantageous to the GTS. Also, 3dMark, would have still had it's place, considering that we are looking at the drop in FPS, and not the total FPS or 3dMark.

But anyway, taking out 3D Mark and Stalker gives 109.26, rounded to 9%. I still don't know where you are getting 5% from?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

I was using the graph, with the 1280x1024 resolution and adding together the percentages that were using AA and AF, then divided by the number of percentages. Which equaled 111.2 for me.

I'll try again then, with both resolutions.

Ok I got 110.6 this time using both.

118 117 109 109 92 98 109 113 106 107 124 126 113 113 116 116 117 117 96 96 G013M

And i didnt use stalker cuz they were not using AA with that.

AF is still AF.

But anyway, taking out 3D Mark and Stalker gives 109.26, rounded to 9%. I still don't know where you are getting 5% from?

Count only one benchmark from lost planet as it is essentially getting counted as 2 games using both of the benchmarks which is unfair in this comparasion.Thinker_145

Ok, well then taking out the 13% one gives 109.667 (9% rounding down), taking out the 16% gives 109.1667 (9%)

It's still sitting on 9% increase.

How exactly is it unfair anyway? The GTS also does those two benchmarks, so it's not like the GT is getting extra points for free?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Count only one benchmark from lost planet as it is essentially getting counted as 2 games using both of the benchmarks which is unfair in this comparasion.G013M

Ok, well then taking out the 13% one gives 109.667 (9% rounding down), taking out the 16% gives 109.1667 (9%)

It's still sitting on 9% increase.

How exactly is it unfair anyway? The GTS also does those two benchmarks, so it's not like the GT is getting extra points for free?

Your just bitter because you bought the 8800GTS 640 and a new cheaper card is substantially better in most situations. If you didnt feel like this then you wouldnt have made this thread.Baselerd

[QUOTE="Baselerd"]Your just bitter because you bought the 8800GTS 640 and a new cheaper card is substantially better in most situations. If you didnt feel like this then you wouldnt have made this thread.Thinker_145

I agree with Baselerd on this one, it at lest seems that way, just like your crusade to get people to buy CRT's over LCD's.

If it is not that then I don't know why you made this thread? To start another flame war, cause that's what most of your topics do. Why don't you wait until someone asks which GPU they should get then give your advice. Others will give there advise and the buyer will make up there own mind.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Baselerd"]Your just bitter because you bought the 8800GTS 640 and a new cheaper card is substantially better in most situations. If you didnt feel like this then you wouldnt have made this thread.ch5richards

I agree with Baselerd on this one, it at lest seems that way, just like your crusade to get people to buy CRT's over LCD's.

If it is not that then I don't know why you made this thread? To start another flame war, cause that's what most of your topics do. Why don't you wait until someone asks which GPU they should get then give your advice. Others will give there advise and the buyer will make up there own mind.

Nowhere did i say that the old GTS should be considered a viable card anymore cuz it's price doesnt make that happen anymore.

Your just bitter because you bought the 8800GTS 640 and a new cheaper card is substantially better in most situations. If you didnt feel like this then you wouldnt have made this thread.Baselerd

I don't recall seeing anyone say the GT is way better than the 640 GTS performance wise. It is better, but not by some huge amount. Most people here seem to say it is way better because of the performance and price combination.

When recommending a card for someone to buy, I would agree that the GT is a way better card than the 640GTS because of more performance for less money.

8800gts 640 - $310

8800gt 512 - $250

Those were the cheapest prices I could find (via Newegg). The GT offers 5% more performance, by your standards, and is about 80.65% of the GTS' price.

'Nuff said.

If you guys don't agree with Thinker's opinion then rebuff him within the terms of the ToU or leave the snide comments to yourself. Adding comments that don't go with the topic at hand just keeps the topic active and adds to the possibility that you'll be moderated for them.

If someone is flaming or trolling simply report them and someone from the moderation team will action them.

ok i see where your going with this but the thing is even if the 8800gt is a couple frames better then the 8800gts 640 and not as much as others say it is...the point is the 8800gt is cheaper

really thats why ppl buy the 8800gt instead of the 8800gts 640 you dont want to pay more money when you can get somehting considerably cheaper and get maybe 10 frames more

but if someone still owns the 8800gts 640mb there is no reason for them to upgrade just yet...

Could you explain to me the point of this rant?

Not only is the 8800gt superior to the GTS 640mb it is also cheaper.

(prices from dabs.com)

8800gts 640mb £235 inc vat

8800gt 512mb £204 inc vat (with some as cheap as £185!)

Dancing_Panda

the point probably is he has a 8800gts and doesn't like the fact a card much cheaper is better

[QUOTE="Dancing_Panda"]

Could you explain to me the point of this rant?

Not only is the 8800gt superior to the GTS 640mb it is also cheaper.

(prices from dabs.com)

8800gts 640mb £235 inc vat

8800gt 512mb £204 inc vat (with some as cheap as £185!)

imprezawrx500

the point probably is he has a 8800gts and doesn't like the fact a card much cheaper is better

[QUOTE="elitegeek13"]Ha. probably right. Way to go for being ignorant and denying the truth.Thinker_145

Flame does not put out flame... just sayin'

Thinker, link me some threads where someone said that the 640mb GTS is WAY better than the GT ONLY IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE.

I haven't seen any that said that. Every time someone says the 8800GT is better, its because it's faster AND way cheaper.

Also, in certain games like oblivion and crysis, the GT IS way faster. In crysis its the difference between high and very high settings. Very high is unplayable on the 8800GTS 640 at 12x10 while the 8800GT is (about 30 FPS on the GT).

Oblivion, with its massive shader processing, favors the 8800GT ALOT (Up to 20 FPS better).

But, like I said, show me this "misconception" where people thought the GT was massively better than the GTS 640 in terms of ONLY performance.

Thinker, link me some threads where someone said that the 640mb GTS is WAY better than the GT ONLY IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE.

I haven't seen any that said that. Every time someone says the 8800GT is better, its because it's faster AND way cheaper.

Also, in certain games like oblivion and crysis, the GT IS way faster. In crysis its the difference between high and very high settings. Very high is unplayable on the 8800GTS 640 at 12x10 while the 8800GT is (about 30 FPS on the GT).

Oblivion, with its massive shader processing, favors the 8800GT ALOT (Up to 20 FPS better).

But, like I said, show me this "misconception" where people thought the GT was massively better than the GTS 640 in terms of ONLY performance.

shanelevy

Thinker, link me some threads where someone said that the 640mb GTS is WAY better than the GT ONLY IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE.

I haven't seen any that said that. Every time someone says the 8800GT is better, its because it's faster AND way cheaper.

Also, in certain games like oblivion and crysis, the GT IS way faster. In crysis its the difference between high and very high settings. Very high is unplayable on the 8800GTS 640 at 12x10 while the 8800GT is (about 30 FPS on the GT).

Oblivion, with its massive shader processing, favors the 8800GT ALOT (Up to 20 FPS better).

But, like I said, show me this "misconception" where people thought the GT was massively better than the GTS 640 in terms of ONLY performance.

shanelevy

This clearly shows that there is a misconception that the old GTS can simply not outperform the GT.