The end of WoW....

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I think it will be a mix of TOR and GW2, other MMOs and D3 that will take a lot of WoW players but it won't end it.

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HyperWarlock

I haven't seen one meaningful post from you in a long time.

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Arthur96

I haven't seen one meaningful post from you in a long time.

I need to sort myself out.

Nothing 'kill' WoW, just as nothing has 'killed' EQ, but hopefully SW:ToR becomes proper competition, unlike Rift. Also, it's the only MMO that I found explicitly enjoyable (during beta) and the only enjoyable mmo to level in ever. Rift(beta) held me for ~1h before I decided it was really a low quality WoW wannabe.

I generally don't like calling games clones though, HL could be called a Quake clone, but no one would dare say that, same engine, same core mechanics, completely different execution.

WoW could lose 8mil players and still be one of the most played and profitable MMOs around.

Guys after playing the SWToR weekend beta this last week, I have to say that while SWToR feels very much like another WoW clone as did RIFT, I have to wonder how many long time WoW players will leave it in favor of exploring a new game within the StarWars universe. With all of the expansions that WoW has seen, I can only imaging what SWToR will get. The StarWars universe is simply huge and I personally see this game really and truely being the "next WoW" and not just some copycat!! ShoTTyMcNaDeS

i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]Guys after playing the SWToR weekend beta this last week, I have to say that while SWToR feels very much like another WoW clone as did RIFT, I have to wonder how many long time WoW players will leave it in favor of exploring a new game within the StarWars universe. With all of the expansions that WoW has seen, I can only imaging what SWToR will get. The StarWars universe is simply huge and I personally see this game really and truely being the "next WoW" and not just some copycat!! Krelian-co

i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

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[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]Guys after playing the SWToR weekend beta this last week, I have to say that while SWToR feels very much like another WoW clone as did RIFT, I have to wonder how many long time WoW players will leave it in favor of exploring a new game within the StarWars universe. With all of the expansions that WoW has seen, I can only imaging what SWToR will get. The StarWars universe is simply huge and I personally see this game really and truely being the "next WoW" and not just some copycat!! wis3boi

i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

wow clone = took everything from wow and set in space with lightsabers, i think its accurate enough

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i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

Krelian-co

wow clone = took everything from wow and set in space with lightsabers, i think its accurate enough

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i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

Krelian-co

wow clone = took everything from wow and set in space with lightsabers, i think its accurate enough

"t wont suffer because of SWToR, but maybe because of GW2 and Diablo 3" is my opinion ...

P.S. The hell does D3 have to do with the other MMORPG tittles ?

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"] this "wow clone" term needs to die more than WoW does. It's thrown around too easilywis3boi

wow clone = took everything from wow and set in space with lightsabers, i think its accurate enough

one thing is take things in games and improve them, another is making a blatant copy of them, specially one that has been like 8 years already on the market.

Guys after playing the SWToR weekend beta this last week, I have to say that while SWToR feels very much like another WoW clone as did RIFT, I have to wonder how many long time WoW players will leave it in favor of exploring a new game within the StarWars universe. With all of the expansions that WoW has seen, I can only imaging what SWToR will get. The StarWars universe is simply huge and I personally see this game really and truely being the "next WoW" and not just some copycat!! ShoTTyMcNaDeS

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Hard to tell, you're asking us if TOR is a WoW killer, nothing is a wow killer it will take many multiple games of exceptional quality to bring down WoW, not because they are better but because millions are far too heavily invested in WoW to simply jumpt ship to something slightly better.

For me i'd definitely stop WoW if i had only played maybe 6 months of WoW and gotten to about level 70 or somewhat that area. If i had many characters of level 85 with great gear and lots of friends then not much would tear me away.IxX3xil3d0n3XxI

Not true. I was playing for 4yrs straight. 9 lvl80s, full guild of friends I did everything with. While I had fun over the years, I quit back in February. It wasnt the same game anymore. I am eagerly awaiting SW and GW2. I cant see WoW doing well at the end of 2012.

Exactly. I was mostly referring to people who are still actively involved in WoW and not people who have already quit.

WoW won't notice SWTOR trying to get it's attention for a date.

I think TOR will take some subscribers away from WoW, maybe 2 million. WoW will die through a combination of competing games as well as time. I'm not as sure as other people about Titan replacing WoW. They haven't said much about it.Titan could even be cancelled one day.

Not sure about Diablo 3 competing with WoW either. It doesn't have a subscription fee, so people can play both if they want. It might compete with time, but Diablo 3 has much less content and variety than an MMO, no content patches either.

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wow clone = took everything from wow and set in space with lightsabers, i think its accurate enough

Krelian-co

one thing is take things in games and improve them, another is making a blatant copy of them, specially one that has been like 8 years already on the market.

I think WoW will slowly decrease in popularity because people will grow tired, as what happens with all games.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"] WoW ripped everything from everquest...your point? Rift ripped everything from WoW and warhammer, your point again? Take what's good in past games and improve on them. TOR does this very well

wis3boi

one thing is take things in games and improve them, another is making a blatant copy of them, specially one that has been like 8 years already on the market.

this is not a scientific fact, its a game which many people will have different opnion, or did they forgot to tell you that too? anyway i dont have to prove anything to anyone else since it is what i think

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]Guys after playing the SWToR weekend beta this last week, I have to say that while SWToR feels very much like another WoW clone as did RIFT, I have to wonder how many long time WoW players will leave it in favor of exploring a new game within the StarWars universe. With all of the expansions that WoW has seen, I can only imaging what SWToR will get. The StarWars universe is simply huge and I personally see this game really and truely being the "next WoW" and not just some copycat!! Krelian-co

i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

So you think an mmo made by Bioware in the Star wars universe, that has broken EA's pre-order records and has generally been recieved very well through the testing process is going to flop in 6 months to a year?

I don't think it will kill WoW, and I don't think it will ever hold 8-10 million subscribers, heck it doesn't have to, to be successful, but I do politely but strongly disagree with your blind assesment.

I don't see another game really killing WoW outright. I just see people getting sick of the game to point where a they don't actually resubscribe after several months or so off. Personally I had times where I would be burnt out and take time off and then get that jones and come back and play another stint. I haven't had that urge though since right after Wrath of the Lich King launched, and definately don't see myself coming back for more. Eventually this will happen with most people, not because another game comes out and magically slays WoW.

I said this in vanilla WoW and I still think it. WoW won't be killed by anything but itself.

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[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]Guys after playing the SWToR weekend beta this last week, I have to say that while SWToR feels very much like another WoW clone as did RIFT, I have to wonder how many long time WoW players will leave it in favor of exploring a new game within the StarWars universe. With all of the expansions that WoW has seen, I can only imaging what SWToR will get. The StarWars universe is simply huge and I personally see this game really and truely being the "next WoW" and not just some copycat!! FadeToBlack90

i so told this in these forums but people were no, TOR is not a wow clone it has da voice acting! lol fanboys, it probably will die in 6 month or a year. So no, its no threat to wow.

So you think an mmo made by Bioware in the Star wars universe, that has broken EA's pre-order records and has generally been recieved very well through the testing process is going to flop in 6 months to a year?

I don't think it will kill WoW, and I don't think it will ever hold 8-10 million subscribers, heck it doesn't have to, to be successful, but I do politely but strongly disagree with your blind assesment.

you said it yourself, it has many preorders because its bioware, and star wars, when people realize they went the easy way they will get bored like so many wow clones before, people are bored of wow even if it was the top mmorpg of all this time, to be succesful there needs to be something new which swtor is not by a long shot. im not saying its bad, is just more of the same

SWTOR will hurt WoW for sure and probably for a good while. WoW will never be what it was...it's had it's day.

WoW is old now and SWTOR is a "new" game that a lot of players will move over to. Not because it's better than WoW but because people have been playing WoW for 6 or 7 years now.

I am looking forward to TOR and I played WoW a lot over the last 6 or so years.

you said it yourself, it has many preorders because its bioware, and star wars, when people realize they went the easy way they will get bored like so many wow clones before, people are bored of wow even if it was the top mmorpg of all this time, to be succesful there needs to be something new which swtor is not by a long shot. im not saying its bad, is just more of the same

Krelian-co

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you said it yourself, it has many preorders because its bioware, and star wars, when people realize they went the easy way they will get bored like so many wow clones before, people are bored of wow even if it was the top mmorpg of all this time, to be succesful there needs to be something new which swtor is not by a long shot. im not saying its bad, is just more of the same

Inconsistancy

wow was the first big mmorpg, people didnt play much mmorpgs back then. To me is very wowish, only time will tell if thats good or bad, just look the trend of wow clones out there.

Blizzard will kill WOW themselves when they release their next mmo.

Although WoW is very old, I don't think STWOR can challenge WoW, Blizzard realized the threat, so they announced the new expansion. Personally, I have no confidence on EA..

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you said it yourself, it has many preorders because its bioware, and star wars, when people realize they went the easy way they will get bored like so many wow clones before, people are bored of wow even if it was the top mmorpg of all this time, to be succesful there needs to be something new which swtor is not by a long shot. im not saying its bad, is just more of the same

Inconsistancy

I would argue that the leap from EQ to WoW is bigger than the step from WoW to SWTOR. WoW had a much bigger mass appeal. While there are a few new things about SWTOR, I doubt they will mean anything after a month or 2 has passed. People will be done with the "personal" story, the new setting will have worn off and the game will scream same old same old. And already now I know plenty of people who just skipped the voice overs in the beta...

I was one of them (I did read the skim the text though).

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you said it yourself, it has many preorders because its bioware, and star wars, when people realize they went the easy way they will get bored like so many wow clones before, people are bored of wow even if it was the top mmorpg of all this time, to be succesful there needs to be something new which swtor is not by a long shot. im not saying its bad, is just more of the same

Maroxad

I would argue that the leap from EQ to WoW is bigger than the step from WoW to SWTOR. WoW had a much bigger mass appeal. While there are a few new things about SWTOR, I doubt they will mean anything after a month or 2 has passed. People will be done with the "personal" story, the new setting will have worn off and the game will scream same old same old. And already now I know plenty of people who just skipped the voice overs in the beta...

I was one of them (I did read the skim the text though).

I believe ToR will be the first to actually carve out a decent market share for itself.. the size being in question. The others before it only got a sliver that turned to crums in a month. GW2 will probably do this as well and you'll have the big 3 instead of the big 1. That's my best guess.

SWTOR could fail...just saying...

WoW will end when Titan releases. The casuals and blizzard fanatics don't know of other MMOs. Correction. They don't care to TRY other MMOs, and even if they do, they go in thinking it will be worse. Anyway. A large chunk of casuals are already leaving WoW, but not because of SWTOR, but because the whole theme-park, carebear, protected easy casual MMO model has gotten old and stale and overused. Here's hoping to a future with more sandbox MMOs, based around clan warfare with no lolinstances and stupid faction or battleground only PvP restrictions!

WoW will end when Titan releases. The casuals and blizzard fanatics don't know of other MMOs. Correction. They don't care to TRY other MMOs, and even if they do, they go in thinking it will be worse. Anyway. A large chunk of casuals are already leaving WoW, but not because of SWTOR, but because the whole theme-park, carebear, protected easy casual MMO model has gotten old and stale and overused. Here's hoping to a future with more sandbox MMOs, based around clan warfare with no lolinstances and stupid faction or battleground only PvP restrictions!

QQabitmoar

WoW will end when Titan releases. The casuals and blizzard fanatics don't know of other MMOs. Correction. They don't care to TRY other MMOs, and even if they do, they go in thinking it will be worse. Anyway. A large chunk of casuals are already leaving WoW, but not because of SWTOR, but because the whole theme-park, carebear, protected easy casual MMO model has gotten old and stale and overused. Here's hoping to a future with more sandbox MMOs, based around clan warfare with no lolinstances and stupid faction or battleground only PvP restrictions!

QQabitmoar

How can it be the end of wow and i havent even started yet? whats this?! atleast wait for me to try it out.... and get addicted to it.... i have plenty of money id like to spend for wow..... =( dont close wow.craymarkers