[QUOTE="DanielDust"]
Watch it people we've got another jakes on our hands "I play pure RTSs because people go pro on them, so I myself am a pro, too pro for anything else".
Socijalisticka
I'm apathetic to whether you enjoy DotA or not, nor do I consider myself a professional, as that would be delusional. What is delusional is the consideration of Moba on the field of competitive gaming.
It's actually THE description for MOBAs, you have no clue about the genre of course you don't know people call it an RTS - RPG hybrid set into an arena in a 5v5 format with waves of mobs. The character and everything related to it is RPG, except "some" skills for "some" heroes that have strategy elements, the field/arena is almost entirely that which makes the strategy part of the game, genre.
DanielDust
I hold a more strict defitinon for RPG, which rejects only mere character build. Such lenient definitions allows for the plethora of modern shooters to be considered FPS/RPG hybrid. I care not what people consider Moba to be, the majority of modern gamers aren't exposed to actual RPGs, they lack the authority to make such claims. Moba is so utterly stripped out, that it cannot be called RTS, only RTS derived.
Sure, a moba is not an RTS, that is why it's called something else..
If you have not tried League of legends, Heroes Of Newerth, Smite or Dota 2 - you should give one of them a try..
The strategy in a typical moba games comes to play, when you try to counter the composition of the enemy - which is usually 5 heroes with a plethora of skills and 6-8 items.
It's true that you do not compose an entire army - instead you compose a part of the army/team, which have to be efficient against the enemy as well as preferably having a synergy effect with the rest of your team/army.
In a traditional RTS you encounter the enemy in some small skirmishes and maybe one or two battles before it's game won, before the battles you try to scout out your enemy and find out how he has composed his army, so you can counter it - in moba games, you cross blades with enemy and are up close to him pretty much 95% of the time and you typical "counter" the enemy team composition from gamestart to game won, by going back and shopping some needed gear.
Besides thinking of composition, which is traditionally what you do in RTS games, you also need to deploy tactics in order to win the overall strategic goals, these include ambushes/planned attacks/attack priorities etc.
and then there is the aspect of a gamer against another game, in a moba, you get to see your opponents move almost all the time, which means you almost get to "know thy enemy" before a game is out ie. you know if he is agressive and if you can lure him to attack you while the battlefield is in your favour or if he is defensive and you will need to take him on - on his ground of choosing or maybe even force him onto your ground.
These are some of the reasons why I think it's perfectly "sane" to call moba games a blend of amongst other genres, the RTS genre.
BTW.
I just found out about Smite yesterday, it's dota in 3D and it's pretty fun and different, if you want to check it out - just google Smite and join the beta, I got the key an hour after signing up and I think it's pretty open so there is a good chance you will get one (500k online yesterday).
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[size=20]Seattle, Washington[/size] Home of Valve and the Location of the 2012 International Championship 
[size=20]Benaroya Hall[/size] Exterior 
[size=20]Benaroya Hall[/size] From the Back of the House 
[size=20]Benaroya Hall[/size] From the Stage 
[size=20]First Meeting[/size] Everyone gets the ground rules and schedule. 
[size=20]Absolute Legends and Complexity arrived early to scrim[/size] 
[size=20]Zenith at the airport[/size] 
[size=20]Team DK gets ready for their first preliminary game[/size] 
[size=20]Lunch for teams[/size] 
[size=20]Relaxing post game[/size] 
[size=20]Players taking a break outside[/size] 
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