The List of Games Which Use DRM (or similar technology)

As far as I know:

Mass Effect, Bioshock, Spore

The list is actually just a liiiittle bit longer than that...

http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/gamedb.php?letter=A

The list is actually just a liiiittle bit longer than that...

http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/gamedb.php?letter=A

JP_Russell

That reminds me... does anyone know if Crysis Warhead has installation limits like Spore or ME? As it's released by EA, it seems likely but I need to know before (if) I buy it...HenriH-42

Here's the thing: I haven't heard any official news saying it does but I did hear that EA said all their games from here on out on PC will have install limits. I would check the box when you can it might say there.

[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]That reminds me... does anyone know if Crysis Warhead has installation limits like Spore or ME? As it's released by EA, it seems likely but I need to know before (if) I buy it...Jade_Monkey

Here's the thing: I haven't heard any official news saying it does but I did hear that EA said all their games from here on out on PC will have install limits. I would check the box when you can it might say there.

Yes their games. Crysis is not their game and it doesn't have an install limit.

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[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]That reminds me... does anyone know if Crysis Warhead has installation limits like Spore or ME? As it's released by EA, it seems likely but I need to know before (if) I buy it...DanielDust

Here's the thing: I haven't heard any official news saying it does but I did hear that EA said all their games from here on out on PC will have install limits. I would check the box when you can it might say there.

Yes their games. Crysis is not their game and it doesn't have an install limit.

It's THEIR game, they aren't developing but they are the publishers, they publish the game as they want, Spore wasn't made by EA, it was made by Maxis, it still had install limit, the same goes for Mass Effect that was made by Bioware, Crysis is being made by Crytek but EA is the publisher.

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[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]That reminds me... does anyone know if Crysis Warhead has installation limits like Spore or ME? As it's released by EA, it seems likely but I need to know before (if) I buy it...ZuluEcho14

Here's the thing: I haven't heard any official news saying it does but I did hear that EA said all their games from here on out on PC will have install limits. I would check the box when you can it might say there.

Yes their games. Crysis is not their game and it doesn't have an install limit.

It's THEIR game, they aren't developing but they are the publishers, they publish the game as they want, Spore wasn't made by EA, it was made by Maxis, it still had install limit, the same goes for Mass Effect that was made by Bioware, Crysis is being made by Crytek but EA is the publisher.

Anybody else notice that the entry for Spore was missing a couple things that are in the Mass Effect entry? I mean, under Spore Daemon Tools only shows Online Activation. Did EA change their minds on Spore's DRM or is DT missing some data.Ein-7919

Not sure what the end result is for Warhead, although I think the Steam announcment may possibly be a positive indication. However, it's Crytek's call...

Should we expect Crysis Warhead to use SecuROM as a DRM solution? Bernd Diemer: We're still looking at that. We're not sure what solution we're going to go with.

...just as it's Criterion's call for Burnout Paradise (the response given when asked).

i bought the retail version of spore, and i trawled the manual and couldnt see anywhere that it has a 3 install limit - is this definately correct? if so, wouldn't it have to say that on the box and/or manual?matt120282

[QUOTE="matt120282"]i bought the retail version of spore, and i trawled the manual and couldnt see anywhere that it has a 3 install limit - is this definately correct? if so, wouldn't it have to say that on the box and/or manual?DanielDust

Nope they wouldn't. If you find out good/bad for you, if you already bought it and regret it, tough luck. They don't care if you really know what you buy, you just need to buy it, that's all they care about. Don't know about Spore but Mass Effect has a really, really, really small advice where it says you need to contact EA for activations, but I didn't really read the manual with much interest so I might be wrong.

Couldn't you like... sue them for that?

Couldn't you like... sue them for that?

ZuluEcho14

I don't really think so. They would say that it's your fault you bought the game without knowing and I believe they have something like, if anything happens to your PC it's not their fault, because they tested it and it contains absolutely nothing harmful or uncomfortable for the user (yeah right). The only one that could be blamed after you get the game, is you, because they will say that you used the software in a way that it was not indicated, even tho they are the ones who should be blamed.

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[QUOTE="matt120282"]i bought the retail version of spore, and i trawled the manual and couldnt see anywhere that it has a 3 install limit - is this definately correct? if so, wouldn't it have to say that on the box and/or manual?ZuluEcho14

Nope they wouldn't. If you find out good/bad for you, if you already bought it and regret it, tough luck. They don't care if you really know what you buy, you just need to buy it, that's all they care about. Don't know about Spore but Mass Effect has a really, really, really small advice where it says you need to contact EA for activations, but I didn't really read the manual with much interest so I might be wrong.

Couldn't you like... sue them for that?

Sue a Multi-Billion dollar corporation? :lol: I wish.

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Couldn't you like... sue them for that?

DanielDust

I don't really think so. They would say that it's your fault you bought the game without knowing and I believe they have something like, if anything happens to your PC it's not their fault, because they tested it and it contains absolutely nothing harmful or uncomfortable for the user (yeah right). The only one that could be blamed after you get the game, is you, because they will say that you used the software in a way that it was not indicated, even tho they are the ones who should be blamed.

Sounds alot like steam ban policy.

But anyway, the guy said there wasn't any information of the 3 install limit on the box(like Valve's ban policy, but they say you have to agree to the steam ser agreement atleast), so you would buy the game withouth knowing about that can't you sue them for that?

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[QUOTE="matt120282"]i bought the retail version of spore, and i trawled the manual and couldnt see anywhere that it has a 3 install limit - is this definately correct? if so, wouldn't it have to say that on the box and/or manual?ZuluEcho14

Nope they wouldn't. If you find out good/bad for you, if you already bought it and regret it, tough luck. They don't care if you really know what you buy, you just need to buy it, that's all they care about. Don't know about Spore but Mass Effect has a really, really, really small advice where it says you need to contact EA for activations, but I didn't really read the manual with much interest so I might be wrong.

Couldn't you like... sue them for that?

The EULA basically says they can do what they want, when they want, and how they want, and that you have no rights to stop them or complain. So, depends on whether the EULA is valid or not. I don't believe it was explicitly stated on the box that there were a limited number of installs, or that SecuROM was specifically being used. Somebody might have a case there, but what would you sue for? The cost of the game? Not even a little bit worth it. Only a government is going to be able to push EA and their DRM around, and none of them seem interested.

Sounds alot like steam ban policy.

But anyway, the guy said there wasn't any information of the 3 install limit on the box(like Valve's ban policy, but they say you have to agree to the steam ser agreement atleast), so you would buy the game withouth knowing about that can't you sue them for that?

ZuluEcho14

According to them,you already know what you agreed on, even tho some info is hidden and you can't find it that easily.

They will blame you for not reading carefully. Even if they don't include stuff like this, they will find a way to turn it in their advantage.

I just re-examined Mass Effect. Absolutely nothing. All it says is that you need internet connection to register it. So yeah, we have to find out things like this for ourselves, because EA won't say it.

i agree that it would be absolutely pointless trying to take any sort of legal action. it just winds me up they can do that, especially without stating it on the product box (and im pretty sure its not in manual either, unless i missed it).

i dont regret buying it, as its a good game - but i dont like the idea of them limiting what i can do with what i have paid for. i should be able to uninstall and reinstall the game however many damn times i like on my own machine, without having to phone up some awful "customer service" at about 50p/min and effectively begging for clemency should i need to install the game more than 3 times

quote: I just re-examined Mass Effect. Absolutely nothing. All it says is that you need internet connection to register it. So yeah, we have to find out things like this for ourselves, because EA won't say it.

that makes me so angry. even if it did say it in the manual, which i dont think it does, you cant read the manual before you buy the game. i think they should have to state things like that on the box.

they should not be able to get away with the attitude of "people should have to research it through a 3rd party to find the real deal" attitude.

i accept it would be best to read about this sort of thing from an independent source prior to purchase, but my feeling is that companies should not be able to hide important facts about what they are selling so that consumers are forced into that avenue for everything they buy.

quote: I just re-examined Mass Effect. Absolutely nothing. All it says is that you need internet connection to register it. So yeah, we have to find out things like this for ourselves, because EA won't say it.

that makes me so angry. even if it did say it in the manual, which i dont think it does, you cant read the manual before you buy the game. i think they should have to state things like that on the box.

they should not be able to get away with the attitude of "people should have to research it through a 3rd party to find the real deal" attitude.

i accept it would be best to read about this sort of thing from an independent source prior to purchase, but my feeling is that companies should not be able to hide important facts about what they are selling so that consumers are forced into that avenue for everything they buy.

matt120282