The real pc gamers opinions.

Ok knowing that next gen is around the block how do you think the GTX 680 will hold up to next gen Consoles?

Seriously? You do realize how dumb your question is, right?

I'd be surprised if anything in any of the consoles comes close to the raw power of the GTX680. Very surprised. No doubt they'll be powerful graphics chips, but I doubt they'll have the raw rendering power of the 680.

Do you even realize how bad pc gameing is optimized right?Travis_Odell

How do you compare a computer GPU to a gaming console?

I'm not even going to take the consoles side in this i'm a focking pc gamer trying to justify paying for a card that's as much as a console. I want the truth and the truth is the 680 will be better way **** better but we still have to wait for a console to release to get it's full power? Will it look that much better will it justify it's own cost?.

Do you even realize how bad pc gameing is optimized right?Travis_Odell

that is why a 8800GTX that is older than ps3 play multiplats with better graphics and performance...

Being a console or PC gamer is a choice that can only be made by yourself, when I build a 2000$ dollar gaming PC I am not going to try to justify it or compare it to a console in any way, I had a PS2, PSP, XBOX 360 (which died on me) and had fun with the games I got for them. I dont care if the console is going to blow my PC away or vice versa, consoles are for people who want to press the power button and as soon as its on start playing. PC gaming isn't cheap and never will be cheaper then consoles.Silicel1

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"]Do you even realize how bad pc gameing is optimized right?MK-Professor

that is why a 8800GTX that is older than ps3 play multiplats with better graphics and performance...

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"]Do you even realize how bad pc gameing is optimized right?Travis_Odell

that is why a 8800GTX that is older than ps3 play multiplats with better graphics and performance...

what do you mean?

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

that is why a 8800GTX that is older than ps3 play multiplats with better graphics and performance...

MK-Professor

what do you mean?

If this next gen is anything like last gen, the next gen consoles will use similar architectures to the modern GPUs but their actual specs are going to be around what the budget GPUs are.

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

They can't put something as powerful as a 680 in a console. The 680 costs $500 alone, a game console costs $300-$400 with everything. It's just not possible to put that powerful of a card in.

The one thing they can do is make every single component work together much more efficently than a PC. Each peice of hardware can be talored to work specifically with the other components and then there is a dedicated graphical API that ties it all together. A pure gaming machine is far more efficent than a PC which has to be compatible with a wide range of hardware and software.

That said, they can't magically turn low end specs into PC high end by optimization alone. They can greatly extend the life of the hardware though. In 3-4 years, the GTX 680 won't be pumping out games at full resolution while console games will keep looking better and better (relativly) on their hardware. DX, Windows, and PC hardware can't have that level of optimization if hardware manufacturers want their hardware to be compatible.

The advantage that PC gamers have over console gamers, and the way that PC gamers overcome this optimization hurdle is that we get the latest and greatest hardware and can throw more hardware at a game whenever we want. Consoles can't be upgraded. That's why it's still best to make games on the PC. The tech come here first.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"] Yes, that came off wrong ok i'm with you not against you.Travis_Odell

what do you mean?

With the assumption that the next consoles will come in 1 or 1.5 years, it is safe to say that the GTX680 will not play games as good as the new consoles, and you will need to wait, and buy a new GPU around the same time the new consoles hit the market.

If this next gen is anything like last gen, the next gen consoles will use similar architectures to the modern GPUs but their actual specs are going to be around what the budget GPUs are.

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

They can't put something as powerful as a 680 in a console. The 680 costs $500 alone, a game console costs $300-$400 with everything. It's just not possible to put that powerful of a card in.

The one thing they can do is make every single component work together much more efficently than a PC. Each peice of hardware can be talored to work specifically with the other components and then there is a dedicated graphical API that ties it all together. A pure gaming machine is far more efficent than a PC which has to be compatible with a wide range of hardware and software.

That said, they can't magically turn low end specs into PC high end by optimization alone. They can greatly extend the life of the hardware though. In 3-4 years, the GTX 680 won't be pumping out games at full resolution while console games will keep looking better and better (relativly) on their hardware. DX, Windows, and PC hardware can't have that level of optimization if hardware manufacturers want their hardware to be compatible.

The advantage that PC gamers have over console gamers, and the way that PC gamers overcome this optimization hurdle is that we get the latest and greatest hardware and can throw more hardware at a game whenever we want. Consoles can't be upgraded. That's why it's still best to make games on the PC. The tech come here first.

Wasdie

Until we know the specs of the next gen consoles no one can say either way (the rumours floating around are just that rumours). It is entirely possible the next generation of consoles will NOT be such a huge leap over existing consoles (there will still be an improvement but it won't be 10 x like last time). So how about we wait till we actually know what the specs are for the consoles.

Until we know the specs of the next gen consoles no one can say either way (the rumours floating around are just that rumours). It is entirely possible the next generation of consoles will NOT be such a huge leap over existing consoles (there will still be an improvement but it won't be 10 x like last time). So how about we wait till we actually know what the specs are for the consoles.

charmingcharlie

Any graphics card you are currently using now that plays your games well will definitely hold up until the next gen consoles are out. As I have been saying for the past several years. PC gaming technology is going nowhere until the next gens come out. Most games are made for multiple platforms now, so that is the reason my 8800GTX which I got 5 years ago is still able to play new games on high settings. That is why games today still don't look better graphically than Crysis which is 5 years old. Gone are the old days when multi-platforming development was rare and you needed to upgrade your pc hardware every 6 months just to play the latest games. Now that will happen only when next-gen of consoles are made, which is every 5 years or more.

Any graphics card you are currently using now that plays your games well will definitely hold up until the next gen consoles are out. As I have been saying for the past several years. PC gaming technology is going nowhere until the next gens come out. Most games are made for multiple platforms now, so that is the reason my 8800GTX which I got 5 years ago is still able to play new games on high settings. That is why games today still don't look better graphically than Crysis which is 5 years old. Gone are the old days when multi-platforming development was rare and you needed to upgrade your pc hardware every 6 months just to play the latest games. Now that will happen only when next-gen of consoles are made, which is every 5 years or more.

Qixote

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

Wasdie

This is not right, because it is like saying that ATI Radeon X850(from 2004) is blowing away anything on 360/ps3 in terms of raw power. That is with the assumption that the next consoles will come in 1 or 1.5 years.

I mean now it's a no brainer that pc is the king, but next gen consoles actually have the upper hand. And it has looking back on the past the pc port will take all that 680 to perform what next gen will do imo, i could be wrong don't flame me just speaking what i feel now.

Travis_Odell

I don't think so. Console games still use a lot of "cheats" to look good - low draw distances and weaker textures, for example. A next gen console will alleviate some of that, but will still have to work with some limitations due to its hardware. Console games look good in a certain way because they hide their compromises pretty well (Oh look, another urban conflict :( ). Crysis remained the gold standard for so long since it did everything a console shooter didn't.

That limitation will continue, if in a different way.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

MK-Professor

This is not right, because it is like saying that ATI Radeon X850(from 2004) is blowing away anything on 360/ps3 in terms of raw power. That is with the assumption that the next consoles will come in 1 or 1.5 years.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

Travis_Odell

This is not right, because it is like saying that ATI Radeon X850(from 2004) is blowing away anything on 360/ps3 in terms of raw power. That is with the assumption that the next consoles will come in 1 or 1.5 years.

That was my whole point, ATM if history proves right the consoles with have the best Sh!t for like 3 mothes the pc is the king ect, does it matter? hell yes it does if the consoles rivel the pc in graphics then that's good for gaming. Sh@t will never evolve if we don't embrace it.Travis_Odell

You also have to realise that PC games often lag behind cutting edge hardware. While both a current game and current hardware may have been in production for 2 years (say), access to that hardware for the games devs may have only occurred 6 months ago, if at all.

A current PC game will largely be pitched at working on mid-range hardware from a year ago (or earlier with lower settings) so your average PC gamer can run it. As a result the PC games market usually "lags" behind what the hardware is capable of.

Better consoles ultimately open the way for games with more adventurous design - be it more varied landscapes, better realism or whatever.

PC driver issues and the vast number of configurations out there is what's stopping them from really showing us powerful graphics.

You also have to realise that PC games often lag behind cutting edge hardware.LordRork

If next gen consoles graphics leap is not as close as the xbox to 360 you will see the largest spike in pc gaming of all time, it will send a shock wave though the gaming world and we will all become one.Travis_Odell

No you won't and no there won't be a huge shock wave through the gaming world. If you haven't noticed the world economy is screwed making a console with 10 x the performance of the old consoles is going to be EXPENSIVE. They are going to have to bring a console to market for at best $300 - $400 and at that price you are not going to get top notch tech.

But like I said until we actually know the specs it is pointless to try comparisons. It is silly to think just because this gen was 10x more powerful that the next gen will be 10x more powerful again.

I have an nVidia GeForce 9500 GT and it cost $100 at the time I bought it (2-3 years ago) and I can run Mass Effect 3 at 720p resolution with all the high graphic settings smoother than the PS3 or Xbox could. (35-50fps for me, 25-30fps on consoles) That certainly tells you something about consoles even at this point. PCs are completely different deals when you compare them to consoles.

A console is a device exclusively for gaming and what you get is what you get, and you know for sure it's capable of doing what it can do. But with a computer, you need to upgrade that thing and when it comes to finding out if you can play a game efficiently, there are many variables to consider. PCs MAKE games, therefore they must be superior to a console. Modern PCs can easily run tech demos of tesselation technology, various realistic physics sims that the PS3 and Xbox 360 couldn't even touch for years.

The next gen will most likely be the best of PC gaming we saw a few years ago, and as the consoles set milestones for technology, they are set in stone, and PCs will keep advancing, and consoles won't be able to do anything about that until the next gen.

The reason why the PC doesn't often see the best graphics it could handle is because the rarity of PC exclusives. Most things are multiplatform and are developed for consoles, and ported to PC. The graphics must be under a certain line to be handled on the console, so the PC version usually isn't that much better besides featuring some extra settings like being able to use any resolution you want or enable Anti-Aliasing.

System Wars is not here dude.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

Travis_Odell

This is not right, because it is like saying that ATI Radeon X850(from 2004) is blowing away anything on 360/ps3 in terms of raw power. That is with the assumption that the next consoles will come in 1 or 1.5 years.

Except for when the last 2 gens of consoles came out, their hardware was close to being top end, and cost, after adjusting for inflation, much more than the upcomming generation will.

The next gen consoles will be the equivalent of low end PCs when they come out, Why? because the economy sucks and they can't afford to give you an awesome console at a loss anymore.

I am a PC gamer and as such, I tend to play just PC games. I only have two mulitplatform games in my collection, everything else is exclusive to the PC. As such, I get games that are optimized for PC hardware and not just the lowest common denominator as with mulitplatform games. I have a GTX 285 in my 3 year old rig and it still ends up choking on MS Flight Simulator 2004, epsecially when flying around Atlanta or New York. It isn't the graphics (for me, maxed out) that is choking my rig, but all the AI that are in said areas (this is where a stout CPU is needed actually) and it all does look nice. FS was always a PC exclusive and always pushed the hardware envelope, at least until gamers figured out the tweaks needed to run smoothly or hardware caught up to it.

As long as developers or rather publishers push developers to just optimize for console hardware and just add in some tweaks for the PC versions of said games, console games may look better for a bit, but not long. GPUs will just have to make them look good just due to sheer power and that is what is happening today. When one looks back to Ghost Recon, the blessing was that MS pushed back the launch of the XBox and one can see how well that game looked in 2001 when it was released on PC and how it still looked good when it came out on the XBox. Unfortunately, those days are gone.

If you still want graphically good looking games, move away from multiplats and expand your horizons to different genres where the devs concentrate on more than the lowest denominator hardware.

a 680 will be more powerful than what consoles will have dont worry

Console hardware will never be as good as PC hardware, they can't put a $500 card in a $300 box.

That being said, console hardware is optimized very well and used very efficiently.

PC/Windows have to develop for 10,000 configurations.

Console only has 1 configuration.

My advice to you is do not make long-term decisions regarding gaming.

Do not say "I will use this forever."

You won't, tech will change, prices will change, your tastes will change.

Only look 1 year ahead.

If 1 year of gaming justifies a $500 card, then buy it.

If 1 year of gaming justifies a $300 console, then buy it.

Gaming is not cheap, no matter what anybody says, this is an expensive hobby.

Spending $1000 for a rig is par for the course.

Spending $1000 on a console library is par for the course.

Living = Work = Make money = Spend

If you have little money then don't focus on games, focus on work.

Give yourself a gaming budget and live within that budget.

Don't focus on money anxieties.

That's my best advice to you.

Any graphics card you are currently using now that plays your games well will definitely hold up until the next gen consoles are out. As I have been saying for the past several years. PC gaming technology is going nowhere until the next gens come out. Most games are made for multiple platforms now, so that is the reason my 8800GTX which I got 5 years ago is still able to play new games on high settings. That is why games today still don't look better graphically than Crysis which is 5 years old. Gone are the old days when multi-platforming development was rare and you needed to upgrade your pc hardware every 6 months just to play the latest games. Now that will happen only when next-gen of consoles are made, which is every 5 years or more.

Qixote

Ok knowing that next gen is around the block how do you think the GTX 680 will hold up to next gen Consoles?

Travis_Odell

Basically, it's good to be a PC gamer, and it's going to get better.

The enxt gen will not be more powerful than a high end PC of today,. and certinaly not of one 2 years from now.

Secondly, the install base for the new gen of consoles will take YEARS to build up, meaning that most developers will write games for PC and port to consoles, rather than the other way around, and developers that would normally not consider the PC, will absolutely HAVE to consider it, otherwise they can expect low sales in the brand new consoles.

Bopttom line, if you've got a mid to high end PC, you won't need ot upgrade to play the new "next gen" titles, because our hardware is ALREADY "next gen".

Console hardware will never be as good as PC hardware, they can't put a $500 card in a $300 box.

That being said, console hardware is optimized very well and used very efficiently.

PC/Windows have to develop for 10,000 configurations.

Console only has 1 configuration.

My advice to you is do not make long-term decisions regarding gaming.

Do not say "I will use this forever."

You won't, tech will change, prices will change, your tastes will change.

Only look 1 year ahead.

If 1 year of gaming justifies a $500 card, then buy it.

If 1 year of gaming justifies a $300 console, then buy it.

Gaming is not cheap, no matter what anybody says, this is an expensive hobby.

Spending $1000 for a rig is par for the course.

Spending $1000 on a console library is par for the course.

Living = Work = Make money = Spend

If you have little money then don't focus on games, focus on work.

Give yourself a gaming budget and live within that budget.

Don't focus on money anxieties.

That's my best advice to you.

ZombieKiller7

Wait.... Did you just say something good for a change? Not bashing PC and giving sound advice and even some life lessons??

My God you can post well. Then Y U NO DAT MORE OFTEN??

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Console hardware will never be as good as PC hardware, they can't put a $500 card in a $300 box.

That being said, console hardware is optimized very well and used very efficiently.

PC/Windows have to develop for 10,000 configurations.

Console only has 1 configuration.

My advice to you is do not make long-term decisions regarding gaming.

Do not say "I will use this forever."

You won't, tech will change, prices will change, your tastes will change.

Only look 1 year ahead.

If 1 year of gaming justifies a $500 card, then buy it.

If 1 year of gaming justifies a $300 console, then buy it.

Gaming is not cheap, no matter what anybody says, this is an expensive hobby.

Spending $1000 for a rig is par for the course.

Spending $1000 on a console library is par for the course.

Living = Work = Make money = Spend

If you have little money then don't focus on games, focus on work.

Give yourself a gaming budget and live within that budget.

Don't focus on money anxieties.

That's my best advice to you.

seanmcloughlin

Wait.... Did you just say something good for a change? Not bashing PC and giving sound advice and even some life lessons??

My God you can post well. Then Y U NO DAT MORE OFTEN??

No Sh!T jack ass.Travis_Odell

Not cool.

well if they take the more casual route, maybe even less of a competition than this gen.

if you can call it a competition... :P

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"] No Sh!T jack ass.AR-15

Not cool.

Seriously. What also is not cool is that I reported it the moderators, and they said it was acceptable. I've been moderated for saying things far less offensive.

and they said it was acceptable.Qixote

[QUOTE="AR-15"]

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"] No Sh!T jack ass.Qixote

Not cool.

Seriously. What also is not cool is that I reported it the moderators, and they said it was acceptable. I've been moderated for saying things far less offensive.

Wow, what's up with that?

I too have been warned/moderated for far less than that, so apparently there has been a serious change to the rulebook since then.

[QUOTE="Qixote"] and they said it was acceptable.topsemag55

I did. Another mod replied saying the rules have changed and flaming is now allowed. And so is bypassing censored words. Isn't that remarkable?:shock:Qixote

Any graphics card you are currently using now that plays your games well will definitely hold up until the next gen consoles are out. As I have been saying for the past several years. PC gaming technology is going nowhere until the next gens come out. Most games are made for multiple platforms now, so that is the reason my 8800GTX which I got 5 years ago is still able to play new games on high settings. That is why games today still don't look better graphically than Crysis which is 5 years old. Gone are the old days when multi-platforming development was rare and you needed to upgrade your pc hardware every 6 months just to play the latest games. Now that will happen only when next-gen of consoles are made, which is every 5 years or more.

Travis_Odell

From what cave did you crawl out?

Here is a list of games you cannot play on high settings @ a resolution of 1680x1050 or 1920x1080:

Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, FarCry 2, Need For Speed Shift series, Dirt series, Batman Arkham Asylum, Batman Arkham City, Just Cause 2, Oblivion, Skyrim,GTA IV, Resident Evil 5, Lineage 2, Alan Wake, Some of the Total War series games, BC2, BF3, Divinity 2, AVP, Two Worlds II, Saints Row 3, Rage, The Witcher EE, The Witcher 2...And those are just a few...

I have a 8800gtx and besides AVP and Crysis Warhead i have tested all of them on my 8800gtx along with a Q6600...and they were unplayable at max settings @ 1920x1080

If this next gen is anything like last gen, the next gen consoles will use similar architectures to the modern GPUs but their actual specs are going to be around what the budget GPUs are.

So bascially, in terms of raw power, the GTX 680 will blow away anything on the consoles.

They can't put something as powerful as a 680 in a console. The 680 costs $500 alone, a game console costs $300-$400 with everything. It's just not possible to put that powerful of a card in.

The one thing they can do is make every single component work together much more efficently than a PC. Each peice of hardware can be talored to work specifically with the other components and then there is a dedicated graphical API that ties it all together. A pure gaming machine is far more efficent than a PC which has to be compatible with a wide range of hardware and software.

That said, they can't magically turn low end specs into PC high end by optimization alone. They can greatly extend the life of the hardware though. In 3-4 years, the GTX 680 won't be pumping out games at full resolution while console games will keep looking better and better (relativly) on their hardware. DX, Windows, and PC hardware can't have that level of optimization if hardware manufacturers want their hardware to be compatible.

The advantage that PC gamers have over console gamers, and the way that PC gamers overcome this optimization hurdle is that we get the latest and greatest hardware and can throw more hardware at a game whenever we want. Consoles can't be upgraded. That's why it's still best to make games on the PC. The tech come here first.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"] Yes, that came off wrong ok i'm with you not against you.Travis_Odell

what do you mean?