Thinking of upgrading to 5450 from 4850 just for dx11

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#1 psx_warrior
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Title says it all. The only reason why I don't choose a better one, though, is because my other hardware specs wouldn't be able to support a better card. I guess what I'm asking is how good would this card in the one gig variety handle Crysis 2 in dx11? Better yet, what about the upcoming Battlefield 3? I know it wouldn't be much of an improvement, but I really want the dx11 support at least. Thoughts?
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#2 Canine_Knight
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that card would be a downgrade from what you have and would not run any of those games well at all. what r your specs?
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#3 blaznwiipspman1
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it a major downgrade from what you got.

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#4 adamosmaki
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you are going from a decent card that can play most games at medium/high settings at reasonable resolutions to a card that can barely play any games. What are your specs and your budget. A worthy upgrade would be at least a 6850
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#5 swehunt
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The HD4850 is much, much, much faster than a HD5450.

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#6 psx_warrior
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I appreciate the responses. I'll just wait and upgrade to a whole new rig entirely as the one I have now won't facilitate better hardware.
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#7 mr_zombie60
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I dont understand the harsh criticism for 5450's, my friend has a premade HP with a 5450 included and he plays most games he wants at high settings. To say it can barely play games isn't giving it some of the justice it deserves. Sure you'd need a fairly small resolution and a game that isn't like Crysis, but it can definitely play a lot of games at decent settings.

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#8 adamosmaki
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I dont understand the harsh criticism for 5450's, my friend has a premade HP with a 5450 included and he plays most games he wants at high settings. To say it can barely play games isn't giving it some of the justice it deserves. Sure you'd need a fairly small resolution and a game that isn't like Crysis, but it can definitely play a lot of games at decent settings.

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yeah but going from a much stronger card to something in the likes of 5450 just for DX11 effects which cannot be practically used in a weak card like 5450 does not make sense
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#9 mr_zombie60
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[QUOTE="mr_zombie60"]

I dont understand the harsh criticism for 5450's, my friend has a premade HP with a 5450 included and he plays most games he wants at high settings. To say it can barely play games isn't giving it some of the justice it deserves. Sure you'd need a fairly small resolution and a game that isn't like Crysis, but it can definitely play a lot of games at decent settings.

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yeah but going from a much stronger card to something in the likes of 5450 just for DX11 effects which cannot be practically used in a weak card like 5450 does not make sense

Well of course, I don't mean to say that his trade off makes any sense. I just got a bit derailed by the fact that 5450's aren't as bad as people say :/

Cmon though, can't play any games at all lol :P Don't go around telling people that ahahah.

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#10 Gambler_3
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4850 is roughly equal to the 5750 and 6750. You need atleast 5850 or 6850 for it to be a worthy upgrade.

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#11 gmaster456
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If your hardware can "handle" a 4850, then it will handle a 6870 as well, Which without knowing your budget, would be the card i'd get.
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#12 SapSacPrime
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4850 is roughly equal to the 5750 and 6750. You need atleast 5850 or 6850 for it to be a worthy upgrade.

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Just what I was about to say and also add or at least a 460.
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#13 Gambler_3
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If your hardware can "handle" a 4850, then it will handle a 6870 as well, Which without knowing your budget, would be the card i'd get. gmaster456
No. 4850 needs one PCIE plug and 6870 needs two...

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#14 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"]If your hardware can "handle" a 4850, then it will handle a 6870 as well, Which without knowing your budget, would be the card i'd get. Gambler_3

No. 4850 needs one PCIE plug and 6870 needs two...

6850, then. Not much of a difference.
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#15 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="mr_zombie60"]

I dont understand the harsh criticism for 5450's, my friend has a premade HP with a 5450 included and he plays most games he wants at high settings. To say it can barely play games isn't giving it some of the justice it deserves. Sure you'd need a fairly small resolution and a game that isn't like Crysis, but it can definitely play a lot of games at decent settings.

mr_zombie60

yeah but going from a much stronger card to something in the likes of 5450 just for DX11 effects which cannot be practically used in a weak card like 5450 does not make sense

Well of course, I don't mean to say that his trade off makes any sense. I just got a bit derailed by the fact that 5450's aren't as bad as people say :/

Cmon though, can't play any games at all lol :P Don't go around telling people that ahahah.

It's not a gaming card, though. It's a HTPC card, or, something to be put in pre-builts, so people think they are uber gaming machines.
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="mr_zombie60"]

I dont understand the harsh criticism for 5450's, my friend has a premade HP with a 5450 included and he plays most games he wants at high settings. To say it can barely play games isn't giving it some of the justice it deserves. Sure you'd need a fairly small resolution and a game that isn't like Crysis, but it can definitely play a lot of games at decent settings.

mr_zombie60

yeah but going from a much stronger card to something in the likes of 5450 just for DX11 effects which cannot be practically used in a weak card like 5450 does not make sense

Well of course, I don't mean to say that his trade off makes any sense. I just got a bit derailed by the fact that 5450's aren't as bad as people say :/

Cmon though, can't play any games at all lol :P Don't go around telling people that ahahah.

I think it's just that the 54xx is a low end series, and most people who are playing with decent machines these days have at least mid range, such as how I have a 6850, that's mid-range. I would cry if I had below that honestly.

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I bought a gigabyte 5450 OC while my 6970 was RMA'd. Just for fun I tried a few titles like F.E.A.R 3, crysis........I don't mind slideshows........but not when they're in games. Glad it's in the cupboard in the box:)

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#18 psx_warrior
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WoW!!! (Get it, WoW?) Sounds like the 5450 is a piece of crap compared to my 4850. I had to do some tinkering with the settings to get Crysis to run properly without almost freezing up every time I had to swing around, but once I got it, I had almost no frame rate issues. My specs are intel core 2 quad Q8200 2.33 ghz. 8 gigs ddr2 ram. And the radeon 4850 512 mb. 550 watt power supply. The problem I'm having is that I don't think I can fit any of those dual slot cards into my machine. Yeah, I can upgrade the power supply, and I don't care about running two cards, but I don't believe my machine will take a dual slot card.
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#19 psx_warrior
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What about a 5670? What does everybody think about that?
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#20 Canine_Knight
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still a downgrade
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#21 psx_warrior
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Guess I'll just stay with my current rig until I can afford to build my own. Thanks for all the input.
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#22 swehunt
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What about a 5670? What does everybody think about that?psx_warrior
Anything below a HD5770/6770/GTS450 is a downgrade in performance. You would need to get something like gtx460 or a HD6850 to even notice the difference in games. I am thinking you got something wrong with your card, it should handle Crysis on all high settings that is more than respectable, that HD5450 you were thinking about would have trouble playing in the lowest settings. The HD4850 does still play most games near max settings, what are the games you have trouble with?
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#23 gmaster456
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Nothing under a 6770 will will be an upgrade.
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WoW!!! (Get it, WoW?) Sounds like the 5450 is a piece of crap compared to my 4850. I had to do some tinkering with the settings to get Crysis to run properly without almost freezing up every time I had to swing around, but once I got it, I had almost no frame rate issues. My specs are intel core 2 quad Q8200 2.33 ghz. 8 gigs ddr2 ram. And the radeon 4850 512 mb. 550 watt power supply. The problem I'm having is that I don't think I can fit any of those dual slot cards into my machine. Yeah, I can upgrade the power supply, and I don't care about running two cards, but I don't believe my machine will take a dual slot card.psx_warrior
I'd consider the 6850, which your power supply should be more than enough for. Also, no explaining your own jokes (check the sticky on life).
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[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]What about a 5670? What does everybody think about that?swehunt
Anything below a HD5770/6770/GTS450 is a downgrade in performance. You would need to get something like gtx460 or a HD6850 to even notice the difference in games. I am thinking you got something wrong with your card, it should handle Crysis on all high settings that is more than respectable, that HD5450 you were thinking about would have trouble playing in the lowest settings. The HD4850 does still play most games near max settings, what are the games you have trouble with?

I don't think there's anything wrong with my card. I think it was just the settings I was trying to run it at. I tried maxing out Crysis 2 and had the resolution dialed up to 1920 by 1080. It ran, but the framerate took a pretty noticable hit. Adjusted it back down to 720, and it runs just fine. I think I'll just keep this card and the rig the way it is until I can only run the games on medium settings, or the card burns out, whichever comes first. The 4850 runs really hot.
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#26 swehunt
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[QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="psx_warrior"]What about a 5670? What does everybody think about that?psx_warrior
Anything below a HD5770/6770/GTS450 is a downgrade in performance. You would need to get something like gtx460 or a HD6850 to even notice the difference in games. I am thinking you got something wrong with your card, it should handle Crysis on all high settings that is more than respectable, that HD5450 you were thinking about would have trouble playing in the lowest settings. The HD4850 does still play most games near max settings, what are the games you have trouble with?

I don't think there's anything wrong with my card. I think it was just the settings I was trying to run it at. I tried maxing out Crysis 2 and had the resolution dialed up to 1920 by 1080. It ran, but the framerate took a pretty noticable hit. Adjusted it back down to 720, and it runs just fine. I think I'll just keep this card and the rig the way it is until I can only run the games on medium settings, or the card burns out, whichever comes first. The 4850 runs really hot.

Crysis is a rather demanding game, no wounder you couldn't "max" it out, even some very expencive cards cannot run it perfectly fine. There are about 8-10 games that a HD4850 cannot run at full settings Crysis 1 and 2 with the higest settings is two of those, metro 2033 and witcher 2 is two other games, but most games still plays well with a HD4850 even on a 1080p resolution. I'm guessing the midend HD7xxx series will play within the same performance range as the HD4850 so the High-midend (HD7750-7830?) will probably be a upgrade instead of a major downgrade that the lowest-end HD5450 currently offering. Stay with what you have it's still a good card, people are still rocking on with HD5670 witch is much slower than the HD4850 and they still plays games at medium settings. What does really hot mean?, it should be fine below ~87c if it's the refference singleslot cooler version, the card is capable to withstand much higher temperatures, AMD have even said 120c to be the real limmit, to my knowlage the card will begin to throthle (downclock) already at 100c but basicly up to 90c your ok even if it's not optimal to run that hot for longer times. You can always buy a AFM HSF but it's probably the half cost for a HD6750 witch is a new card with roughly the same performance and DX11.
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#27 psx_warrior
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Dang, you'd think a 5450 would be faster than a 4850, but people telling me it's a major downgrade tells me that I have a really good card in the 4850. Thanks for all the replies. Also, part of the problem is for whatever reason, the two case fans I had put in initially fixed the problem of the card getting too hot and shutting my pc down altogether. Now, for whatever reason, they aren't able to cool the thing off. Now I'm resorting to putting a small fan beside the intake vent. It drops the temps. by between 10 and 15 degrees c. Sounds bizarre, but it works.
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Dang, you'd think a 5450 would be faster than a 4850, but people telling me it's a major downgrade tells me that I have a really good card in the 4850. Thanks for all the replies. Also, part of the problem is for whatever reason, the two case fans I had put in initially fixed the problem of the card getting too hot and shutting my pc down altogether. Now, for whatever reason, they aren't able to cool the thing off. Now I'm resorting to putting a small fan beside the intake vent. It drops the temps. by between 10 and 15 degrees c. Sounds bizarre, but it works.psx_warrior
Have you tried changing the fan speed on the card with a program like MSI afterburner? And the 5450 is the weakest card in the 5 series, and the 4850 is a mid-high card in the 4 series. The 5450 is newer but is designed to be small and energy efficient for HTPCs.

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Title says it all. The only reason why I don't choose a better one, though, is because my other hardware specs wouldn't be able to support a better card. I guess what I'm asking is how good would this card in the one gig variety handle Crysis 2 in dx11? Better yet, what about the upcoming Battlefield 3? I know it wouldn't be much of an improvement, but I really want the dx11 support at least. Thoughts?psx_warrior
Atleast upgrade to DX11 version 4850 GPU i.e. 5750 or 67x0.

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[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]Title says it all. The only reason why I don't choose a better one, though, is because my other hardware specs wouldn't be able to support a better card. I guess what I'm asking is how good would this card in the one gig variety handle Crysis 2 in dx11? Better yet, what about the upcoming Battlefield 3? I know it wouldn't be much of an improvement, but I really want the dx11 support at least. Thoughts?ronvalencia

Atleast upgrade to DX11 version 4850 GPU i.e. 5750 or 67x0.

As I've said before, I can't. My rig doesn't have the room for the duel slot card.
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[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]WoW!!! (Get it, WoW?) Sounds like the 5450 is a piece of crap compared to my 4850. I had to do some tinkering with the settings to get Crysis to run properly without almost freezing up every time I had to swing around, but once I got it, I had almost no frame rate issues. My specs are intel core 2 quad Q8200 2.33 ghz. 8 gigs ddr2 ram. And the radeon 4850 512 mb. 550 watt power supply. The problem I'm having is that I don't think I can fit any of those dual slot cards into my machine. Yeah, I can upgrade the power supply, and I don't care about running two cards, but I don't believe my machine will take a dual slot card.polarwrath11
I'd consider the 6850, which your power supply should be more than enough for. Also, no explaining your own jokes (check the sticky on life).

Where do you get off telling someone that they can't explain their own jokes? Check the sticky on life? I think you should take your own advice and don't be a toolbag to other users.

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#32 psx_warrior
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Well never mind:) I opened the case and looked a little cloer. It might actually fit a dual slot card. I might upgrade to a far better card in the future.