this is for you all you vista haters, im calling you out!

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#51 gamerchris810
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Makes absolutely no sense to me why any gamer would have Vista.XP runs 98% of PC games,and runs them good...Vista has been nothing but trouble and offers,what?..3 games?..Video card driver problems,desktop crashes,etc..etc..And the 2 games Halo2,got 7.5 i think,and Shadowrun 7.5,i think too?So,why get Vista instead of Xp?Theres absolutely no point too,until maybe a year or 2,when Vista runs smooth,and theres at LEAST 25-30 games available.Mlazaro

where have u heard of these"problems" ???

i need evidence :)

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#52 Deihmos
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allright all you vista haters explain once and for all why you hate vista, think of the improvements Microsoft has made for vista,take that in mind when you write on this board. I challenge you!jbox1992

The majority of the haters just go by hear say. Half of them never used it or they own dated computers hence they think it suck. Some don't know the difference between a driver, softwareand an operating system so every problem the experience equates to "vista sucks"

So far i think the OS is a major improvement over XP which I have been using since 1999. It was time for something new.

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#53 -R4zi3l-
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[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

I just built a new DX10 rig and I'm loving Vista. Granted, there isn't much in the way of DX10 support right now, but it's coming. I have no compatibility problems and it runs like lightning. Or, a really fast running... person.

I can guarantee that 75% of Vista haters have never even SEEN Vista running, 20% of the haters were beta testers that have never tried the retail version, and the other 5% of Vista haters have had genuine problems or simply REQUIRE XP to do their job, etc.

rimnet00

You forgot to add "people who don't know how to install drivers properly". :P

and me who working with vista almost threw myself off a building, getting the peice of crap to connect defeats the purpose, it such a system hog it makes me mad, yes ive used vista alot... to much, i think i have a tumer from it!

edit: and the system im using it on is brand new! linux hear i come

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#54 henri1960
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Vista looks very good but when it comes to games, it sucks!
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#55 Johnny_Rock
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Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

I have Vista on my notebook (see sig) and XP on my Tower (see sig again). I have WoW, Sims 2, C&C 3, Supreme Commander and Baldurs Gate 2 on both. Guess which PC runs ALL of those games (yes even BG2) better? The XP system.

I will be getting Vista on my tower at some point. But not until they and the video card manufacturers get games to run on it at least as well as XP.

EDIT and as far as the OP claim that it boots up faster than XP, well... that's just a damned lie. I've never, on any system I've used Vista on, had it boot up anywhere near as quickly as XP. Even when XP was installed on vastly inferior systems.

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#56 rafaronie
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My friend has a Vista built sys and yea he has had some problems with most games compared to my built from the ground up rig with XP pro. I;m not saying I hate it I'm just saying that I will NOT upgrade to Vista after his exp with it untill they work out the kinks just like I waited a while to upgrade to XP. Also I haven't really noticed much improvments on games at least not yet and as for HALO naaa I already played that out on my xbox.8)
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#57 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

Johnny_Rock

I have Vista on my notebook (see sig) and XP on my Tower (see sig again). I have WoW, Sims 2, C&C 3, Supreme Commander and Baldurs Gate 2 on both. Guess which PC runs ALL of those games (yes even BG2) better? The XP system.

I will be getting Vista on my tower at some point. But not until they and the video card manufacturers get games to run on it at least as well as XP.

EDIT and as far as the OP claim that it boots up faster than XP, well... that's just a damned lie. I've never, on any system I've used Vista on, had it boot up anywhere near as quickly as XP. Even when XP was installed on vastly inferior systems.

Vista does not boot as fast as XP but not by a huge difference. The new Hybrid sleep makes it pointless to ever shut the PC down.

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I just built a new DX10 rig and I'm loving Vista. Granted, there isn't much in the way of DX10 support right now, but it's coming. I have no compatibility problems and it runs like lightning. Or, a really fast running... person.

I can guarantee that 75% of Vista haters have never even SEEN Vista running, 20% of the haters were beta testers that have never tried the retail version, and the other 5% of Vista haters have had genuine problems or simply REQUIRE XP to do their job, etc.

Zeke129
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Dont work with 7900gt serie =/ :cry:hagman
it works with 7900gs tho...
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#59 Xcelerate
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Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

Quote FTW!

It's always like this with every OS release: people complain and whine and swear they'll never use it, and five years later everyone in the world is using it. If I recall correctly, MS will stop selling Windows XP to major computer makers in 2008, and later stop selling them to smaller system builders (though they'll still release support updates), so yes, everyone will have Vista in five years.

(edit: corrected phrase)

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#60 speed1
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No one has mentioned the fact that M$ is going to try and start charging us to play games online aka windows live.kilaan

Sigh..They're charging for Live Gold, which allows you to matchup with Xbox players(if the games are cross platform), but Live Silver is free.

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#61 Minglis
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allright all you vista haters explain once and for all why you hate vista, think of the improvements Microsoft has made for vista,take that in mind when you write on this board. I challenge you!jbox1992

because its a piece of **** that doesnt make enough improvements to justify its price. xp works fine, there is no need to change it.

now shut the **** up. lol

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#62 RobertBowen
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is it just me, or are all these new 'interfaces' designed for people with Attention Deficit Disorder? From watching vids of them all in action, yeah they might look 'cool' but with all that additional animation and everything it takes longer to do what you want. So what is the point of all these new graphically advanced interfaces? I want to be productive with my PC, not turn using it into some kind of game. I buy actual games for entertainment. Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but if I want to switch tasks I want to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible, not sit there for 5-10 seconds scrolling windows like a card file or spinning cubes to hunt for where I opened an application. Playing videos as a background desktop? Who really needs it? If I want to watch a video - then I will sit and give it my full attention, not get distracted by it as it plays in the background.

No doubt you can turn some of these things off if you don't like them - but it then begs the question why the hell should I change the OS I have just to get a new OS that doesn't run as well with a lot of guff that I don't need and will switch off anyway?

I don't need an OS to turn into a friggin' game on my desktop - I need something that is going to make me more productive, becomes easier and faster to use and saves me time so I don't spend my life in front of a screen. In my view I shouldn't have to upgrade my PC simply to run an OS either - it should have the smallest footprint and hit on resources of any piece of software I install, not require upgrades. In terms of use, I shouldn't have to jump through several hoops in order to run applications - I just want to click and go without any hassle.

Turn intrusive security features off, you say? Why upgrade to get the benefit of them if I'm going to have to switch them off to become more productive? Turn off the UAC to improve compatibility with my games? Why have it at all then?

So for me there really is no compelling reason to upgrade. I couldn't give a rat's ass about Directx10, because for me games should be about gameplay, not graphics, and a game can suck no matter how good it looks. I don't see lots of developers all piling on the bandwagon to make their games DX10/Vista only - because that would be financial suicide on the PC at the moment, with such a small installed user-base for Vista.

Game developers should actually take more notice of things like the Steam survey to see what the majority of gamers utilise for their gaming needs, and it's a long way from being able to run Vista/DX10.

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#63 Minglis
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if it aint broke dont fix it. there is nothing wrong with xp and nothing right about vista which begs the question, why the **** did you make this stupid thread?
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#64 Deihmos
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if it aint broke dont fix it. there is nothing wrong with xp and nothing right about vista which begs the question, why the **** did you make this stupid thread?Minglis

I've been using Xp since 1999 and technology has come a long way since then. The PC I had back then was a PIII 500mhz.I'm sorry that you don't want to evolve with Technology, as thats what sucks about this whole scheme. Technology grows, and the devices that use that technology grows with it.

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#65 Blackstaff
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It is not good for games yet, it has a few security issues, it has some network issues (especially with XP computers)

Also Diehmos, didn't XP come out in like 2001?

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#66 itisa87
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allright all you vista haters explain once and for all why you hate vista, think of the improvements Microsoft has made for vista,take that in mind when you write on this board. I challenge you!jbox1992

it sucks for games in general..you get patches..but that suck..cause your really depend on it..plus not worth to get it because right now just one or two game required vista...plus i think even if i wait 2 or 3 more years..there will be only some game that need vista too..and that game could be worthy or not worthy..depends...

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is it just me, or are all these new 'interfaces' designed for people with Attention Deficit Disorder? From watching vids of them all in action, yeah they might look 'cool' but with all that additional animation and everything it takes longer to do what you want. So what is the point of all these new graphically advanced interfaces? I want to be productive with my PC, not turn using it into some kind of game. I buy actual games for entertainment. Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but if I want to switch tasks I want to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible, not sit there for 5-10 seconds scrolling windows like a card file or spinning cubes to hunt for where I opened an application. Playing videos as a background desktop? Who really needs it? If I want to watch a video - then I will sit and give it my full attention, not get distracted by it as it plays in the background.

No doubt you can turn some of these things off if you don't like them - but it then begs the question why the hell should I change the OS I have just to get a new OS that doesn't run as well with a lot of guff that I don't need and will switch off anyway?

I don't need an OS to turn into a friggin' game on my desktop - I need something that is going to make me more productive, becomes easier and faster to use and saves me time so I don't spend my life in front of a screen. In my view I shouldn't have to upgrade my PC simply to run an OS either - it should have the smallest footprint and hit on resources of any piece of software I install, not require upgrades. In terms of use, I shouldn't have to jump through several hoops in order to run applications - I just want to click and go without any hassle.RobertBowen

Exactly. Vista is a lot of flash and shiny objects without much substance. It'swhat Iimagine a multiplatform O/S would be like if we were talking in gaming terms.

I use my PC for work and for entertainment. I have to flip back and forth between programs, having many windows open at once for what I do. All of that without any noticable PC slowdown (PC slowdown affects my tablet output). Also, I work extremely quickly on the PC, navigating through windows and interfaces with ease. Oftentimes ifI'm showing somebody something on the PC and they'll tell me to slow down because they can't see what I'm doing. Vista's idiotic hypno-interface would effectively kill that level of efficiency I'm able to work at. That's something I'm not willing to sacrifice.

Neverminding the fact that they touted it as an O/S "built for gaming" yet it's proven to be just the opposite. Not only that, but it's yet another step in Microsoft's attempt to shift the gaming industry towards their vision for it. They're abusing their monopoly on the O/S market to cause that shift and I wouldn't want to support that, even if the above issues were nonexistent. It's not good for PC gaming.

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#68 savvon
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To all the people who buy Vista, you are all a bunch of sell outs that have no idea what type of dictatorship you are supporting with your money. Pull your head out of the sand and WAKE UP!

OP:

1.You don't need Vista. There is absolutely no reason to buy it. DX10 is not worth it for what, 3 games?

2.Co$t is so overpriced it's ridiculous for what you get. What was it you get from buying Vista again?

3.You more than likely will have to upgrade your hardware. Isn't advancing in technology suppose to improve your computers performance instead of damper it?

4.Driver support. Most hardware and software companies are struggling to be compatible with Vista and have rushed their drivers out too fast causing crazy amounts of bugs (if they even have the drivers for Vista).

5.Many applications that many have spent hundreds of dollars on will not work with Vista and do not plan on upgrading to Vista.

6.DRM. This is the main reason I will never, I repeat never own Vista. It will make life harder for EVERYONE (not just pirates) and it treats EVERYONE (not just pirates) like a criminal. Just another BS form of control.

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#69 Erlkoenig
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If it takes me 5 clicks to get something done in XP, it takes about 7-8 in Vista. That and the bazillions of confirmation windows drive me nuts. Vista doesn't run faster, doesn't allow me to work faster, doesn't run games faster, and takes $200 from my pocket. In return I get DX10, which could have been made to work on XP, but no, MS went out of their way to make it only work on Vista to sell their crappy new OS.

I might have to eventually make the switch, but not until Vista completely dominates the market. Did you know of the survey by Steam? Only 5% of their users have Vista at this moment.

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#70 thusaha
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I'm still happy with XP and I'm not gonna switch to Vista soon.
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#71 RazorGR
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Dont work with 7900gt serie =/ :cry:hagman

Yes it does.

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#72 1carus
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Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

Do you know why? It's called a monopoly. It's a bit hard not to use Vista when M$ are pushing to have every game exclusive to their crappy OS. And don't get me started on DX10 and it "not working" on XP. What a load of crap.

I'm currently using XP and XP only, and if any other operating system could run any decent games (yes, I know Macs can run a few games, but honestly, not enough) then I'd be switching over right away.

Microsoft deserves less credit than what they recieve, and you creating this thread only makes me angrier that they have people who defend them out there.

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#73 Meu2k7
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Vista looks very good but when it comes to games, it sucks!henri1960

Thing is it doesnt, hell I can run STALKER at the same settings and not notice a difference, I can play all my old games .... im still not seeing this problem ...

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To all the people who buy Vista, you are all a bunch of sell outs that have no idea what type of dictatorship you are supporting with your money. Pull your head out of the sand and WAKE UP!

OP:

1.You don't need Vista. There is absolutely no reason to buy it. DX10 is not worth it for what, 3 games?

2.Co$t is so overpriced it's ridiculous for what you get. What was it you get from buying Vista again?

3.You more than likely will have to upgrade your hardware. Isn't advancing in technology suppose to improve your computers performance instead of damper it?

4.Driver support. Most hardware and software companies are struggling to be compatible with Vista and have rushed their drivers out too fast causing crazy amounts of bugs (if they even have the drivers for Vista).

5.Many applications that many have spent hundreds of dollars on will not work with Vista and do not plan on upgrading to Vista.

6.DRM. This is the main reason I will never, I repeat never own Vista. It will make life harder for EVERYONE (not just pirates) and it treats EVERYONE (not just pirates) like a criminal. Just another BS form of control.

savvon

Whine whine and more whine,

1) = false

2) = True

3) = Subjective, but everyone upgrades eventually, your not a gamer if you dont.

4) = False

5) = False

6) = I know nothing about it, but erm, "Pirating" seems fine on my end (Films ect, I dont do it for games)

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#75 Minglis
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[QUOTE="Minglis"]if it aint broke dont fix it. there is nothing wrong with xp and nothing right about vista which begs the question, why the **** did you make this stupid thread?Deihmos

I've been using Xp since 1999 and technology has come a long way since then. The PC I had back then was a PIII 500mhz.I'm sorry that you don't want to evolve with Technology, as thats what sucks about this whole scheme. Technology grows, and the devices that use that technology grows with it.

obviously you dont have a clue about any of this. "evolve with technology"? give me a break lol, i dont need to "evolve" for windows vista lol, its got more problems than assets and my computer does everything i need it to do perfectly at the moment.

maybe when vista isnt a piece of **** and its price is justifiable i will get it. until then i am more than pleased with xp (which yes had to have a ****load of patches before it ran properly, which is why i didnt get it instead of m.e. until it was justified either)

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#76 Minglis
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[QUOTE="savvon"]

To all the people who buy Vista, you are all a bunch of sell outs that have no idea what type of dictatorship you are supporting with your money. Pull your head out of the sand and WAKE UP!

OP:

1.You don't need Vista. There is absolutely no reason to buy it. DX10 is not worth it for what, 3 games?

2.Co$t is so overpriced it's ridiculous for what you get. What was it you get from buying Vista again?

3.You more than likely will have to upgrade your hardware. Isn't advancing in technology suppose to improve your computers performance instead of damper it?

4.Driver support. Most hardware and software companies are struggling to be compatible with Vista and have rushed their drivers out too fast causing crazy amounts of bugs (if they even have the drivers for Vista).

5.Many applications that many have spent hundreds of dollars on will not work with Vista and do not plan on upgrading to Vista.

6.DRM. This is the main reason I will never, I repeat never own Vista. It will make life harder for EVERYONE (not just pirates) and it treats EVERYONE (not just pirates) like a criminal. Just another BS form of control.

Meu2k7

Whine whine and more whine,

1) = false

2) = True

3) = Subjective, but everyone upgrades eventually, your not a gamer if you dont.

4) = False

5) = False

6) = I know nothing about it, but erm, "Pirating" seems fine on my end (Films ect, I dont do it for games)

1) how is it false? xp does everything that people in this day and age need perfectly, so it is true.

2) this is true as you say and really its the main reason why people dont want it.

3) its not "subjective", its the truth it just depends on whether or not you have the latest system available. these days its just dumb to get the latest hardware as soon as it comes out because after a year its a quarter of the price and out of date. how dumb are you people?

4) we're not making this **** up, yes it is **** true llol even if you are a lucky one.

5) again do you think he's making it up? get a clue lol.

6)i want to be able to burn some things, **** i dont need that **** and yes again it is true lol.

and we aren't "whining", it seems the people who are whining are the ones who love vista and are here defending it. we really dont give the **** about vista but if your going to try and convince us that it is good we're going to tell you why it isnt.

after all a person whoapparantly lovesvista made this topic, not a person who hates it

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#77 1carus
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I've been using Xp since 1999 and...

Deihmos

Well seeing as Windows ME didn't come out until 2000, and XP didn't come out until 2001, I clearly shouldn't be reading anymore of you're post, should I?

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#78 UberPope
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Ok, I didn't read all of the posts becuase I'm lazy, but I noticed two major complaints. For the first one, the User Account Control (The thing that makes you authorize everything) can be turned off if you are an administrator for the computer. Once UAC is off, it runs just like XP. The second complaint was that it's crappy for gaming. I would disagree wholeheartedly. I think what people are talking about is Vista's inability to cope with classics like Starcraft and other older games. Vista runs any game, even DOS ones. Don't just give up because the graphics go twitchy on you. Changing one setting allows Vista to run any old game (I've tried games like Starcraft, Warcraft 1 and 2, and other classics). Right click on the desktop: Personalize --> Display Settings --> Change color output to 16 bit, medium. It fixes all problems I've come across. I would have to say that changing where everything is just for the sake of changing things around was annoying at the start, but if you use it everyday, it gets easier than XP to find stuff.

That's just my two cents.

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#79 Minglis
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Ok, I didn't read all of the posts becuase I'm lazy, but I noticed two major complaints. For the first one, the User Account Control (The thing that makes you authorize everything) can be turned off if you are an administrator for the computer. Once UAC is off, it runs just like XP. UberPope

and why would you pay all this money if you would then just make it run exactly like xp?

get out.

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#80 42316
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Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

ya, (crysis)

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#81 Funkyhamster
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Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

The ones who buy a new computer with Vista installed...

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#82 emmm78
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I don`t know all the software technical details on how Vista is better that XP, so don`t flame me on that, but to a common user/gamer as myself I feel I`m forced to upgrade just because of DX10. Lemme get this straight: u have some shinny crap tools and with Aero u could play around with 3D windows while it eats up your video ram. But in God`s name what else is it good for/better than XP? Couldn`t they just come up with SP3 for XP? NO, `cause WE (M$) have a MONOPOLY and it`s either that ridiculously overpriced OS or play some mostly junk MAC games if you like. Oh and let`s not forget DRM: now u can`t back up ur games `cause that means piracy. Great stuff. So what can I do now when Crysis looms on horizon? Pray for some OS competition and in the meantime ... buy Vista :(

PS: I`d honestly like to see someone explain me the greater benefits for games of Vista outside the obvious DX10. Improved frame rate? LOL

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#83 1carus
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I don`t know all the software technical details on how Vista is better that XP, so don`t flame me on that, butto acommonuser/gamer as myself I feel I`m forced to upgrade just because of DX10. Lemme get this straight: u have some shinny crap tools and with Aero u could play around with 3D windows whileit eats upyour video ram. But in God`s name what else is it good for/better than XP? Couldn`tthey just come up with SP3 for XP? NO, `cause WE (M$) have a MONOPOLY and it`s either that ridiculously overpriced OS or play some mostlyjunk MAC gamesif you like. Oh and let`s not forget DRM: now u can`t back up ur games `cause that means piracy. Great stuff. So what can I do nowwhen Crysis looms on horizon? Pray for some OS competition and in the meantime ... buy Vista :(

PS: I`d honestly like to see someone explain me the greater benefits for games of Vista outside the obvious DX10. Improved frame rate? LOL

emmm78

Excellent post. Finally, some true words. You've hit the nail on the head emmm78.

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#84 Minglis
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[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

Funkyhamster

The ones who buy a new computer with Vista installed...

and they will still be vista haters

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#85 Nitrous2O
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It is not good for games yet, it has a few security issues, it has some network issues (especially with XP computers)Also Diehmos, didn't XP come out in like 2001?Blackstaff

I'm sure some of you may have good intentions, but seem to be very misinformed! Why are all of my games working fine with Vista? What MS operating system does not have a few security issues? My network includes Vista and XP machines and works without problems, is that strange?

Seriously, Vista is not as bad as people make it sound ;) In fact, obviously I haven't had Vista as long as I had XP, but crashes seemed much more frequent with XP (haven't even had one yet with Vista)

For the people complaining about the security popups (UAC), you can turn those off. Don't like Windows Defender? You can turn that off as well. Vista can take just as few steps as XP to get something done.

The DRM - I certainly don't like it either, but it is progress, it's the future, we might as well get used to it. These same people should really also be complaining about digitally downloaded games (or from disc) that require an internet connection to install, play, and require a manager service like Steam to run. I don't care for it, but we better get used to new types of security.

Anyway, I still think if you have XP and are satisfied, stick with it, wait for a good reason to upgrade. If you building a new machine and buying an OS, it makes much more sense to get Vista, it works quite well.

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#86 TicTac8745
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I've got a free copy of Vista Business from my uni (as IT students can get it as a part of the MSDNAA)

Vista is no doubt pretty, but I've used it for around 3 days max before switching back to XP. It's not a bad OS, its just there's quite a fair amount of little/major annoyances that I don't like (especially how it tries to simplify everything with wizards and the new Document file management with the Public folder and your own folder - that annoys me). I really do think that MS should have put in more time into Vista.

Hopefully MS will release a service pack with a lot of updates, if it satisfies me, then I would switch to Vista permanently.

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#87 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

I've been using Xp since 1999 and...

1carus

Well seeing as Windows ME didn't come out until 2000, and XP didn't come out until 2001, I clearly shouldn't be reading anymore of you're post, should I?

There were betas and release candidates. It was either 1999 or 2000 I cannot remember the exact dates. From what I remember it was labeled a memory hog and just eye candy since it required 128MB of ram as oppose to the 16MB required by Windows 98. Those that didn't know better said the same thing about XP that is being said about Vista. It's really funny.

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#88 sircyrus
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Vista is no doubt pretty, but I've used it for around 3 days max before switching back to XP. It's not a bad OS, its just there's quite a fair amount of little/major annoyances that I don't like (especially how it tries to simplify everything with wizards and the new Document file management with the Public folder and your own folder - that annoys me). I really do think that MS should have put in more time into Vista.TicTac8745
That's something I hate about Microsoft's direction. They remove control from the user and put it in their O/S. They want everyone to use the O/S a certain way, they limit what you can and cannot do with your PC.

They need to keep their hands off of people's PC's and just create the O/S as a simple interface meant for launching programs like 3.1 was, rather than your O/S deciding what your PC should be able to do (therefore limiting what it can do).

The market badly needs a functional alternative to Windows to break Microsoft's monopoly here. If a viable alternative was out there I'd switch in a second with no hesitation. As someone else mentioned, even if it's a Mac I'd pay that cost of purchasing an entirely new computer to get away from M$.

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#89 sircyrus
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[QUOTE="savvon"] 6.DRM. This is the main reason I will never, I repeat never own Vista. It will make life harder for EVERYONE (not just pirates) and it treats EVERYONE (not just pirates) like a criminal. Just another BS form of control.Meu2k7
6) = I know nothing about it, but erm, "Pirating" seems fine on my end (Films ect, I dont do it for games)

Pirating isn't fine under any circumstances. This isn't justabout pirating though.

"The Protected Environment in which DRM content is played contains the media components that play DRM content, so the application only needs to provide remote control (Play, Rewind, Pause, and so on), rather than having to handle unprotected content data. The Protected Environment also provides all the necessary support for Microsoft-approved ("signed") third-party software modules to be added. It provides a "wall" against outside copying, where within the walls, content can be processed without making the content available to unapproved software.

In order to prevent users from copying DRM content, Windows Vista provides process isolation and continually monitors what kernel-mode software is loaded. If an unverified component is detected, then Vista will stop playing DRM content, rather than risk having the content copied. The Protected Environment is implemented completely in software, so software-based attacks such as patching the Windows kernel are possible."

What Microsoft's strategy does is make it much harder for independant or small software developers to get their software out there on the market. To become a Microsoft-approved third party developer you have to submit the software to Microsoft so they can test it on Vista, and certify that it works. This costs money to have done. Essentially what they're trying to do is make it so everyone who wants to make software for a PC has to come with them hat in hand and pay them to become certified so that the software is included in the "Microsoft-approved" list. That list doesn't just relate to DRM-related software.That's garbage, a massive abuse of their monopoly position, and completely unnecessary.

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#90 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="TicTac8745"]Vista is no doubt pretty, but I've used it for around 3 days max before switching back to XP. It's not a bad OS, its just there's quite a fair amount of little/major annoyances that I don't like (especially how it tries to simplify everything with wizards and the new Document file management with the Public folder and your own folder - that annoys me). I really do think that MS should have put in more time into Vista.sircyrus

That's something I hate about Microsoft's direction. They remove control from the user and put it in their O/S. They want everyone to use the O/S a certain way, they limit what you can and cannot do with your PC.

They need to keep their hands off of people's PC's and just create the O/S as a simple interface meant for launching programs like 3.1 was, rather than your O/S deciding what your PC should be able to do (therefore limiting what it can do).

The market badly needs a functional alternative to Windows to break Microsoft's monopoly here. If a viable alternative was out there I'd switch in a second with no hesitation. As someone else mentioned, even if it's a Mac I'd pay that cost of purchasing an entirely new computer to get away from M$.

There is Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris and some others. There are choices out there but many people overlook.

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#91 Makari
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[QUOTE="1carus"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

I've been using Xp since 1999 and...

Deihmos

Well seeing as Windows ME didn't come out until 2000, and XP didn't come out until 2001, I clearly shouldn't be reading anymore of you're post, should I?

There were betas and release candidates. It was either 1999 or 2000 I cannot remember the exact dates. From what I remember it was labeled a memory hog and just eye candy since it required 128MB of ram as oppose to the 16MB required by Windows 98. Those that didn't know better said the same thing about XP that is being said about Vista. It's really funny.

Googling around, Microsoft started leaking early betas of XP in late 2000. And hell, Vista was originally supposed to be released in 2003. Like I said, we just got lucky with so much support for XP over the course of six years instead of splitting those six years between XP, Vista, and the other future OS. Things like driver releases... when some companies are on the ball with working drivers and some have nothing ready to go on release day, it's completely fanboyish to try to blame it on Microsoft. Some companies just suck with on-time drivers, face it... and to my understanding, Vista changed the way drivers work on a fundamental level.
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#92 sircyrus
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Those aren't viable alternatives. I'm talking about one that receives the attention of software developers and can run any application withoutmajor problems arising.
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#93 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="1carus"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

I've been using Xp since 1999 and...

Makari

Well seeing as Windows ME didn't come out until 2000, and XP didn't come out until 2001, I clearly shouldn't be reading anymore of you're post, should I?

There were betas and release candidates. It was either 1999 or 2000 I cannot remember the exact dates. From what I remember it was labeled a memory hog and just eye candy since it required 128MB of ram as oppose to the 16MB required by Windows 98. Those that didn't know better said the same thing about XP that is being said about Vista. It's really funny.

Googling around, Microsoft started leaking early betas of XP in late 2000. And hell, Vista was originally supposed to be released in 2003. Like I said, we just got lucky with so much support for XP over the course of six years instead of splitting those six years between XP, Vista, and the other future OS. Things like driver releases... when some companies are on the ball with working drivers and some have nothing ready to go on release day, it's completely fanboyish to try to blame it on Microsoft. Some companies just suck with on-time drivers, face it... and to my understanding, Vista changed the way drivers work on a fundamental level.

I just did and it was March 2000. I knew it was early 2000 or 99 because that is when i got my P3 PC.

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#94 Deihmos
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Those aren't viable alternatives. I'm talking about one that receives the attention of software developers and can run any application withoutmajor problems arising.sircyrus

They are not viable because no one uses them. Surely if companies put out more applications and money into other OS they could become competition. The problem is most people wouldn't be willing to change because they are use to Windows so Microsoft ends up with a monololy. At this point it will cost a lot of money to actually compete with Windows and companies are not willing.

So who do you blame? Companies unwilling to compete, consumers unwilling to changeor MS for pumping so much money into Windows.

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#95 sepheronX
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when dealing with both XP and Vista, I found a couple of things (was and still am working on a optimized driver review/FAQ) and found that vista mostly just has beta or just non reliable drivers, compared to XP. XP has had problems when it first started in terms of game performance over windows 2000, but later grew quickly due to the amount of people switching from ME. But XP does not come off as an ME to today's standards. Why? because it was a well thought out OS with no real benifits over 2000 besides some graphical changes and security changes. But it ran well, and looked good, why do we need Vista? Cause MS saw that there is no more market for XP, now that everyone either has XP or just pirates it, the money grabbing slobs at MS thought it would be smart to just releace a OS in order to charge people.

Now that everyone has XP, if they want to go further into gaming, and upcoming software, they will be forced to move to VISTA, as previous support for XP will be removed. And no, MS does not care about our benifits, once vista has hit everyone, and everyone migrated, they will create a new OS, wich will force everyone to move from VISTA to that OS, and we will once again get this thread stating why everyone here hates MS for making us switch to VISTA.

The things that I hate Vista are:

1. The Aero or whatever, the 3d effects, look nicer and use less resources in Linux, and you can tell MS just created a knock-off

2. Performance is pretty bad for gaming compared to XP. Although, unless you already have an uber system, there is nothing to complain about (I have a friend who tests hardware for a company, and he uses quad core Intel Kentsfield overclocked to 3.5ghz, 2x8800gtx's, 3gigs of PC6400 ram, 2x 150gb Raptors, he is praising vista.... yea go figure!)

3. The DRM crap or whatever, that watches what we do and makes sure that everything we have is legit. I think Microsoft forgot that, that crap is illegal in Canada (were I am from) and that we are allowed to pirate whatever, and allowed to do whatever we want. Although, with dealing with vista, I did not run into any real issues with pirated software, as it all ran fine, just like the bought stuff (Pirating should only happen to company's who do not care about the customer).

4. Support is crap at the moment. Drivers from Nvidia are horrible, and ATI just came out with decent drivers, so if you are one of the lucky people who have a HD 2900xt, then expect to only get better performance from ATI based cards, cause at least they know how to make decent drivers, were NVIDIA currently fails at (performance on DX10 is real crap on 8800 cards, when orriginaly dx10 was supposed to be based on a more optimized DX9 with added effects Bittech look at DX10)

5. Software support/quantity is poor at the moment. Well, do not forget, VISTA is fairly new, so expect there to be not much in terms of a game library. Expect some really good games to come out (Alan Wake, Bioshock, Crysis, Haze, etc.)

6. Lack of Service packs. But what can you do? vista is fairly new, so expect there to be a first service pack coming real soon!

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#96 blacktorn
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I just upgraded to vista ultimate x64 today and so far i think it's a great worthwhile upgrade over xp.The Aero interface is nice (perhaps a little overrated,but better looking than mac osx),flip 3d is a cool feature that again looks nice.

The new restructuring of the start menus took a little while to get uset too,but it is faster to find things,mmmm other than that the gadgets seem again like a cool feature but they don't seem that useful so i just turned the sidebar off.

Now i'm missing out all the network improvements,security improvements and dx10 (my pc isn't built for dx10 games so i will have to buy a new pc to experience those),but it really is just a prettier xp,but that's not a bad thing,it's a very good thing.

I didn't have one problem installing vista on a clean partition (it wouldn't let me upgrade for some reason) except for my eyetoy which i occasionally use as a webcam,there doesn't seem to be vista drivers for it yet.

EDIT: I just installed dreamscene preview with the HD video updates....................WOW!

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#97 Minglis
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[QUOTE="sircyrus"]Those aren't viable alternatives. I'm talking about one that receives the attention of software developers and can run any application withoutmajor problems arising.Deihmos

They are not viable because no one uses them. Surely if companies put out more applications and money into other OS they could become competition. The problem is most people wouldn't be willing to change because they are use to Windows so Microsoft ends up with a monololy. At this point it will cost a lot of money to actually compete with Windows and companies are not willing.

So who do you blame? Companies unwilling to compete, consumers unwilling to changeor MS for pumping so much money into Windows.

its because nobody knows about these other companies, if they had an advertising campaign and we actually noticed like say apple it would be a totally different story

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#98 FragMonkey09
Member since 2005 • 1543 Posts

I think vista looks good...

Its just terrible for games :(
ajc_176

That just about sums it up.

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#100 onemic
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Vista sucks gaming wise and general use wise. It's way too much of a system hog and it has a ton of compatibility issues with games either making them run like crap in comparison to xp or not run at all. Not only that but the new security system is by far the most annoying thing I've dealt with in a while. Even turining it off is annoying in itself.

of course this might change once the next service pack comes out.....then again it be like windows ME and just be replaced by another version of windows.