this is why physx will never die

People are always complaining about it if a new game supports it, people say its useless and its going to die etc. I think its grate and a good point to choose nvidia over ati. ATI always told us how its obsolete when dx11 comes out and it will be replaced by openCL. But jet there are still coming physx games like alice madness or the upcoming batman again. Its not dead and there are rumors that ATI will support physx for their next generation gpus.

The truth is nvidia has a powerful lobby in releasing and developing pc games, every game that has their logo on the box was patched, helped and in some case developed by nvidia. Its easy for them to ask the developers to add physx into their games. Free work for nothing. PC gamer should be glad if their games have physx, what would games like alice, mirrors edge, batman and Mafia 2 be without it? Cheap Console Ports thats the sad truth.

Right so one small gimmick equates to transforming a 'cheap console port' into something special does it now? Your last line made me chuckle quite a bit there - likewise with the overindulgent spelling errors and bizarre sentence structure.

I can't see PhysX becoming the norm due to consoles.

It's a decent technology, but it's still marginal. PhysX is still Nvidia's baby, and while that continues to be the case, developers are going to be wary of using it since it will impact on performance on non-Nvidia machines or, like some of their technologies, be plain unavailable.

We are in an age where consistency of experience is becoming increasingly important and expected - PhysX could easily get sidelined not because it is bad, but because it's not open.

Frostbite 2 >>> HAVOK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PhysX

PhysX needs to die already, it's garbage compared to Havok and Frostbite 2's physics.

Frostbite 2 >>> HAVOK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PhysX

PhysX needs to die already, it's garbage compared to Havok and Frostbite 2's physics.

trastamad03

Physx will go the way of glide the same reason that glide never became huge:

It's proprietary.

Very few games supported glide, the ones that did looked great (grate hahahahaha) but openGL was open unlike 3dfx's glide.

People are always complaining about it if a new game supports it, people say its useless and its going to die etc. I think its grate and a good point to choose nvidia over ati. ATI always told us how its obsolete when dx11 comes out and it will be replaced by openCL. But jet there are still coming physx games like alice madness or the upcoming batman again. Its not dead and there are rumors that ATI will support physx for their next generation gpus.

The truth is nvidia has a powerful lobby in releasing and developing pc games, every game that has their logo on the box was patched, helped and in some case developed by nvidia. Its easy for them to ask the developers to add physx into their games. Free work for nothing. PC gamer should be glad if their games have physx, what would games like alice, mirrors edge, batman and Mafia 2 be without it? Cheap Console Ports thats the sad truth.

HFkami

[QUOTE="trastamad03"]

Frostbite 2 >>> HAVOK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PhysX

PhysX needs to die already, it's garbage compared to Havok and Frostbite 2's physics.

EzechielPregzt

ATI can't support PhysX, because Nvidia owns it, PhysX is actually fantastic, it + Euphoria would give birth to some amazing games, to bad people don't use them especially Euphoria.

Almost any game with Physx is completely different with it on, I can't imagine Mirror's Edge, Batman, Sacred 2 and Mafia 2 without it. As for Havok, I think most of the people that love it have no idea how pathetic it is compared to PhysX, the major diference is that one actually does things related to physics, the other does cool looking stuff that isn't accurate at all.

Right so one small gimmick equates to transforming a 'cheap console port' into something special does it now? Your last line made me chuckle quite a bit there - likewise with the overindulgent spelling errors and bizarre sentence structure.

-CheeseEater-

Physx is over rated in most games anyway. The only games I've seen that use it to a very noticeable effect are metro 2033 for debris and smoke. And mirror's edge as it adds extra materials to the environment

Physx is over rated in most games anyway. The only games I've seen that use it to a very noticeable effect are metro 2033 for debris and smoke. And mirror's edge as it adds extra materials to the environment

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Physx is over rated in most games anyway. The only games I've seen that use it to a very noticeable effect are metro 2033 for debris and smoke. And mirror's edge as it adds extra materials to the environment

DanielDust

I thought Metro used it fairly well. On explosions anyway. Batman AA used it pretty good too. But its a fairly out dated function by now

PhysX offers free CPU based physics now that is comparable to Havok which is extremely expensive.

ATI can't support PhysX, because Nvidia owns it, PhysX is actually fantastic, it + Euphoria would give birth to some amazing games, to bad people don't use them especially Euphoria.

Almost any game with Physx is completely different with it on, I can't imagine Mirror's Edge, Batman, Sacred 2 and Mafia 2 without it. As for Havok, I think most of the people that love it have no idea how pathetic it is compared to PhysX, the major diference is that one actually does things related to physics, the other does cool looking stuff that isn't accurate at all.

DanielDust

actually it could improve the gameplay as a real physics engine like havoc but nvidia is smart they add it only visualy so ati people can still play the games. Its a perfect concept and ati should finally give up and integrate cuda and physx in their gpus so physx can be a real engine. PC Gaming would be so much better then. ATI and Nvidia should work together against intel like a real orthodox brotherhood.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

ATI can't support PhysX, because Nvidia owns it, PhysX is actually fantastic, it + Euphoria would give birth to some amazing games, to bad people don't use them especially Euphoria.

Almost any game with Physx is completely different with it on, I can't imagine Mirror's Edge, Batman, Sacred 2 and Mafia 2 without it. As for Havok, I think most of the people that love it have no idea how pathetic it is compared to PhysX, the major diference is that one actually does things related to physics, the other does cool looking stuff that isn't accurate at all.

actually it could improve the gameplay as a real physics engine like havoc but nvidia is smart they add it only visualy so ati people can still play the games. Its a perfect concept and ati should finally give up and integrate cuda and physx in their gpus so physx can be a real engine. PC Gaming would be so much better then. ATI and Nvidia should work together against intel like a real orthodox brotherhood.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

ATI can't support PhysX, because Nvidia owns it, PhysX is actually fantastic, it + Euphoria would give birth to some amazing games, to bad people don't use them especially Euphoria.

Almost any game with Physx is completely different with it on, I can't imagine Mirror's Edge, Batman, Sacred 2 and Mafia 2 without it. As for Havok, I think most of the people that love it have no idea how pathetic it is compared to PhysX, the major diference is that one actually does things related to physics, the other does cool looking stuff that isn't accurate at all.

HFkami

actually it could improve the gameplay as a real physics engine like havoc but nvidia is smart they add it only visualy so ati people can still play the games. Its a perfect concept and ati should finally give up and integrate cuda and physx in their gpus so physx can be a real engine. PC Gaming would be so much better then. ATI and Nvidia should work together against intel like a real orthodox brotherhood.

[QUOTE="-CheeseEater-"]

Right so one small gimmick equates to transforming a 'cheap console port' into something special does it now? Your last line made me chuckle quite a bit there - likewise with the overindulgent spelling errors and bizarre sentence structure.

f22rf

Compare Crysis or HL 2 to a physx game like Batman AA. Phys x is a joke in comparison. Batman AA is still the typical, old school, "everything seems to be bolted to the floor" type game.

What does PhysX actually do? I've tried forcing it in my version of Batman Arkham Asylum for a Benchmark but the only thing I notice is that there are flags hanging from the rafters.

Physx added steam, flags and broken tiles to batman, with a decent framerate hit, of course they could have had these features without using physx not like smoke or broken tiles in games are a new thing.

Am I going to buy a dedicated physx card just to have framerate friendly physx smoke in batman every few years...nope

ATI can't support PhysX, because Nvidia owns it, PhysX is actually fantastic, it + Euphoria would give birth to some amazing games, to bad people don't use them especially Euphoria.

Almost any game with Physx is completely different with it on, I can't imagine Mirror's Edge, Batman, Sacred 2 and Mafia 2 without it. As for Havok, I think most of the people that love it have no idea how pathetic it is compared to PhysX, the major diference is that one actually does things related to physics, the other does cool looking stuff that isn't accurate at all.

DanielDust

Compare Crysis or HL 2 to a physx game like Batman AA. Phys x is a joke in comparison. Batman AA is still the typical, old school, "everything seems to be bolted to the floor" type game.

Cranler

PhysX offers free CPU based physics now that is comparable to Havok which is extremely expensive.

Wasdie

I agree with the TC, I think the only people who are saying they dont like enhanced Physx effects in their games are people who dont have an Nvidia video card because if they do have an Nvidia card and for whatever reason dont like the extra eye candy there is an option to turn it OFF, which eliminates any point in complaining about it.

Sure it can be taxing, but so is ubersampling in TW2, so is antialiasing in some games and running some games at high resolution can also be taxing, but we dont complain about things like that because they are an OPTION, just like enhanced PhysX effects are.

Right so one small gimmick equates to transforming a 'cheap console port' into something special does it now? Your last line made me chuckle quite a bit there - likewise with the overindulgent spelling errors and bizarre sentence structure.

Physx is over rated in most games anyway. The only games I've seen that use it to a very noticeable effect are metro 2033 for debris and smoke. And mirror's edge as it adds extra materials to the environment

seanmcloughlin

Very Very Off Topic but what game is that in your sig?

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Physx is over rated in most games anyway. The only games I've seen that use it to a very noticeable effect are metro 2033 for debris and smoke. And mirror's edge as it adds extra materials to the environment

Poison_1vy

Very Very Off Topic but what game is that in your sig?

What does PhysX actually do? I've tried forcing it in my version of Batman Arkham Asylum for a Benchmark but the only thing I notice is that there are flags hanging from the rafters.

andalore

Here's a video showing the difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyKCM-Bpuw

It adds better cloth simulation, destructible environments, dynamic fog, steam and smoke, additional particles and rigid bodies.

Better yet, drop the PhysX BS and go with OpenCL based Bullit, so everyone can run it.

Better yet, drop the PhysX BS and go with OpenCL based Bullit, so everyone can run it.

PC_Otter