Time to put an end to this salutary neglect against us PC Gamers.

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#1 OoSuperMarioO
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After observing the industry closely in 2008 to now 09 what's really starting to surface is a sort of a ignorance the industry has amongst the PC platform. When I read interviews about Gaming alot of the times the PC platform is excluded as if it's nonexistent. I mean check out the recent Spike VGA awards those guys literally didn't even have a Best RTS Award nor hardly involvement with our platform. This brings a question do we PC Gamers really care about the activity on other platforms?

I say this and will always strongly support that the PC platform has by far the largest potential in regards to Social Networking, Graphics, Audio, Community ect. I noticed daily PC gamers admires sophistication in videogaming examples Deus EX, Starcraft, System Shock, Half Life and the list goes on. From observation it appears that the PC platform is indeed shifting but too only greater matter imo where you see the Gamer makes the platform. One of the key services that's involve in this shift is the Steam service which is the epitome among PC gaming where not just the developers has involvement but the Gamer whom evokes communites, mods and user created content. However are we really missing out on what's available on the other platforms? This is just preference but lets just involve the one system that really ran with a PC architecture model and desirement Microsoft's Xbox platform. According to Metacritic 11 out of 20 All-Time High Score Xbox 360 titles are available on PC platform and I'll name a few Gta IV, Bioshock, Orange Box, Gears of War and Elders Scroll Oblivion. It appears many publishers/developers are angry that many of their games simply just can't penetrate our platform EA, Ubisoft, Epic Games so instead ther'es really little talk about our Platform in the media other then PC gaming piracy. Gaming as a whole imo has really disgusted me quite a bit over the years with the industry adopting pop cultural as the forefront of Gaming and if that's where the other platforms are heading then I say this good riddance. Feel free to comment...

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#2 DGFreak
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People still watch that Spike thing? That's news to me.
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#3 _Pedro_
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I know what you mean. It's so incredibly annoying to see strategy games get shafted by just about every reviewer, because they are mainly PC only games yet they often reach levels that should receive much more credit.
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#4 biggest_loser
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Not many PC exclusives anymore - these so and so's from whatever game site can just play it on their console. The niche, high brow, sophisticated days of games like Deus Ex 1 are over - games have become more mainstream. Sometimes it works (Bioshock), sometimes it doesn't (Deus Ex 2). Just blame the Wii.
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#5 Jinroh_basic
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personally, i like the direction the industry is taking right now -- going mainstream is the only way to appeal to the majority, which promises maximum profit. and money is really the only thing that keeps the show going. let's face it....entertainment business has never had much room for niche market.

that said, i still welcome the effort from the niche devs. just becoz i'm not playing something doesn't mean it's bad and should exist.

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#6 _Pedro_
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I actually feel it's the complete opposite on the pc. Mainstream games with their huge budgets are being pirated by the millions yet low budget niche games are making money through DD.
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Not many PC exclusives anymore - these so and so's from whatever game site can just play it on their console. The niche, high brow, sophisticated days of games like Deus Ex 1 are over - games have become more mainstream. Sometimes it works (Bioshock), sometimes it doesn't (Deus Ex 2). Just blame the Wii. biggest_loser
Thank you sir, i do blame the Wii.. for everything..... GOD DAMN YOU NINTENDO!!!
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it's easy for devoted fans to over-estimate the success of niche titles. the best example we all have in mind is Sins of a Solar Empire --it's successful only if you look at it from the perspective of profit ratio, and the final lumsum can't even begin to compete with most of the renowned multiplat titles.

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#9 HenriH-42
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Just blame the Wii. biggest_loser

Why should we blame the Wii? What ex-PC exclusives or potentially good PC games has Wii stolen? Are there even any games that are multiplat only on PC/Wii (I know, World of Goo) But really, what ruined Deus Ex 2? Xbox did. Every game that has been dumbed down / casualized / mainstreamized has been because of Xbox and/or Playstation. The Wii has it's own unique library, and it's most certainly not trying to copy PC games or steal PC audience. Xbox and Playstation on other hand are doing just that. Xbox and Playstation need to die, Wii needs to thrive.

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A profit is a profit, it means that more games of the same type can continue to exist. While the profits are nothing compared to most multiplat titles it easily trumps what the multiplat titles actually make on the PC while bid budget pc exclusives are lucky to break even.
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Why should we blame the Wii? What ex-PC exclusives or potentially good PC games has Wii stolen? Are there even any games that are multiplat only on PC/Wii (I know, World of Goo) But really, what ruined Deus Ex 2? Xbox did. Every game that has been dumbed down / casualized / mainstreamized has been because of Xbox and/or Playstation. The Wii has it's own unique library, and it's most certainly not trying to copy PC games or steal PC audience. Xbox and Playstation on other hand are doing just that. Xbox and Playstation need to die, Wii needs to thrive.

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That's true, but I'd blame it more on the XBox/MS then the Playstation/Sony.

MS actually forced (former) PC videogame companies into XBox exclusives or times exclusives. They also didn't delivered tools for the PC like they did for the 360, and GFW is actually a joke, not to mention they made DX10 for Vista only and delayed DX11, also they made XP/Vista/W7 come in 32 and 64 versions.

Sony looks downright innocent compared to this.

As for Bioshock, it only works if you see it as another NOLF2/CB's:Undying type of game, but if you see it as SSIII (or the bastard child of SSII and Fallout) then it sucks just as much as DE:IW (witch was an Xbox and PC game).

Thief III was pretty good actually.

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#12 biggest_loser
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[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

Why should we blame the Wii? What ex-PC exclusives or potentially good PC games has Wii stolen? Are there even any games that are multiplat only on PC/Wii (I know, World of Goo) But really, what ruined Deus Ex 2? Xbox did. Every game that has been dumbed down / casualized / mainstreamized has been because of Xbox and/or Playstation. The Wii has it's own unique library, and it's most certainly not trying to copy PC games or steal PC audience. Xbox and Playstation on other hand are doing just that. Xbox and Playstation need to die, Wii needs to thrive.

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That's true, but I'd blame it more on the XBox/MS then the Playstation/Sony.

MS actually forced (former) PC videogame companies into XBox exclusives or times exclusives. They also didn't delivered tools for the PC like they did for the 360, and GFW is actually a joke, not to mention they made DX10 for Vista only and delayed DX11, also they made XP/Vista/W7 come in 32 and 64 versions.

Sony looks downright innocent compared to this.

As for Bioshock, it only works if you see it as another NOLF2/CB's:Undying type of game, but if you see it as SSIII (or the bastard child of SSII and Fallout) then it sucks just as much as DE:IW (witch was an Xbox and PC game).

Thief III was pretty good actually.

Why would you see it as SS3 though? Forget the spiritual successor tag thing, thats marketing stuff. Its such a different game to SS2 in terms of its playing style etc. Thief: DS is fantastic and I think the rumoured 4th game, with improved technology will be even better. In someways I probably shouldn't have mentioned Deus Ex: IW - I mean its not as terrible as some say, its just nowhere near the very high bar of its predecessor.
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It appears many publishers/developers are angry that many of their games simply just can't penetrate our platform EA, Ubisoft, Epic Games so instead ther'es really little talk about our Platform in the media other then PC gaming piracy. Gaming as a whole imo has really disgusted me quite a bit over the years with the industry adopting pop cultural as the forefront of Gaming and if that's where the other platforms are heading then I say this good riddance. Feel free to comment...

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Many of the games from EA, Ubisoft, Epic Games really suck, or if they're good they don't do stuff properly (autoaimed deadly legshots ?!).

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Why would you see it as SS3 though? Forget the spiritual successor tag thing, thats marketing stuff. Its such a different game to SS2 in terms of its playing style etc. Thief: DS is fantastic and I think the rumoured 4th game, with improved technology will be even better. In someways I probably shouldn't have mentioned Deus Ex: IW - I mean its not as terrible as some say, its just nowhere near the very high bar of its predecessor. biggest_loser

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Well, it's best explained here.

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#15 HenriH-42
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[QUOTE="DOF_power"]

That's true, but I'd blame it more on the XBox/MS then the Playstation/Sony.

MS actually forced (former) PC videogame companies into XBox exclusives or times exclusives. They also didn't delivered tools for the PC like they did for the 360, and GFW is actually a joke, not to mention they made DX10 for Vista only and delayed DX11, also they made XP/Vista/W7 come in 32 and 64 versions.

Sony looks downright innocent compared to this.

As for Bioshock, it only works if you see it as another NOLF2/CB's:Undying type of game, but if you see it as SSIII (or the bastard child of SSII and Fallout) then it sucks just as much as DE:IW (witch was an Xbox and PC game).

Thief III was pretty good actually.

biggest_loser

Why would you see it as SS3 though? Forget the spiritual successor tag thing, thats marketing stuff. Its such a different game to SS2 in terms of its playing style etc. Thief: DS is fantastic and I think the rumoured 4th game, with improved technology will be even better. In someways I probably shouldn't have mentioned Deus Ex: IW - I mean its not as terrible as some say, its just nowhere near the very high bar of its predecessor.

You know what's my main gripe about games like Bioshock, DX:IW and Thief DS? While they might be "OK" games (well Thief 3 was better than expected, Bioshock was pretty crap and DX:IW is the most god awful garbage I have ever played) they might've been a LOT better if they would've been PC exclusives. It's just potential gone to waste. It's like DX:IW, what do you wanna make ? - a forgettable casual mainstream trash corridoor shooter or a potentially "best game ever" hardcore deep PC fps/rpg hybrid? If you try to please both crowds at the same time, no-one will be happy. That's what happened with Deus Ex. There might have been a few who liked Deus Ex Invisible War (I'm sorry for anyone who does) but no-one loved it and remebers it today as a cla$$ic like Deus Ex 1.

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#16 nutcrackr
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It's a sad mindset and I think it's a combination of many influences, for example DRM scare tactics, Microsoft and even the huge graphics card push we've seen the last 5 years. I hope it's cyclic. I hope we get to the stage where gamers come to PC gaming and don't see it as an obstacle. I think the only way thats going to happen is if we get big games. Two potentials to really help PC gaming are Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, if either or both come to consoles as well then I think the battle may be lost. I don't think there will be many exclusives for any platform in the future, aside from your Halos, Metal Gears and WoW. But a trend I'd like to see changed is the release of games on consoles only, or console releases months or even years ahead of PC. Nothing much I can do aside from buying more games, promoting PC games, but I am just one man.
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#17 blackdreamhunk
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i would agree with the op
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#18 gamerfreak13
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How is that salutary neglect? More like just neglect...
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#19 OoSuperMarioO
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How is that salutary neglect? More like just neglect...gamerfreak13
Of influenced by Edmund Burke speech and basically to draw comparison.
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#20 teardropmina
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let nature run her course; let PC games on PC, and console games on consoles. if this can stop hardware upgrading frenzy and flashy multiplaform games porting to PC, it'll be nice.
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You have to understand that shows like spike tv game awards and other stuff like that are HIGHLY influenced by the game companies. "PC" isn't a single brand console/system, so it doesn't have that solid company behind it to do any influncing on it's behalf in these situations.

What, you thought spike tv does the awards show simply for the ratings? riiiiight.....

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I know what you mean. It's so incredibly annoying to see strategy games get shafted by just about every reviewer, because they are mainly PC only games yet they often reach levels that should receive much more credit. _Pedro_

agreed, i mean pc exclusives usually get a bad rep, side from crysis and spore.

but console game exclusives dont have that against them.

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You have to understand that shows like spike tv game awards and other stuff like that are HIGHLY influenced by the game companies. "PC" isn't a single brand console/system, so it doesn't have that solid company behind it to do any influncing on it's behalf in these situations.

What, you thought spike tv does the awards show simply for the ratings? riiiiight.....

Mike1978Smith
With the Spike awards being a niche from Gametrailers who participates in plenty of PC presentations you'll expect more then what came out of that award show. They even fitted mmos into the rpg nomination, just absolute rubbish throughout. I agree that PC lacks pr but the games should really speak for themselves without need of over marketing.
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#24 jpph
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pc gamin cannot and will not ever die, because of indie games. i know thats not the point, but id just like to point it out.

the root of the problem of neglection, which is because of less profit on the pc, is piracy. if we can stop piracy, we're golden.

why is it that no one has managed to make a drm which is uncrackable? firewalls are uncrackable, why not drm???

hmmmmmmmmmm????

and tc, i feel your pain about exclusion, but just laugh and load up some indie gem, and say f**k u console fanboys

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#25 markop2003
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I know what you mean part of the problem is that reviews don't seem to care about the PC anymore. Also a big reason for the drop in PC games sales is because they're done through steam and direct2drive, these arn't recorded as sales figures for most games as they go off NPD data, only boxed sales are counted in charts.
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I don't see how we can put an end to it. But, yeah, it sucks.
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[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]

You have to understand that shows like spike tv game awards and other stuff like that are HIGHLY influenced by the game companies. "PC" isn't a single brand console/system, so it doesn't have that solid company behind it to do any influncing on it's behalf in these situations.

What, you thought spike tv does the awards show simply for the ratings? riiiiight.....

OoSuperMarioO
With the Spike awards being a niche from Gametrailers who participates in plenty of PC presentations you'll expect more then what came out of that award show. They even fitted mmos into the rpg nomination, just absolute rubbish throughout. I agree that PC lacks pr but the games should really speak for themselves without need of over marketing.

in a perfect world that would be the case. but this world is far from perfect..and probably getting further from perfect every day :P. unfortunately the harsh truth is that the PC needs a PR team. something like the PC gaming alliance (are they still functioning?). the amount of money spent on console advertising and the brand is biblical. there very much ion the public eye. the PC, as a gaming platform, just doesent get that kind of attention or those kind of headlines. god know it diserves them but thats not enough in this world.
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="DOF_power"]

That's true, but I'd blame it more on the XBox/MS then the Playstation/Sony.

MS actually forced (former) PC videogame companies into XBox exclusives or times exclusives. They also didn't delivered tools for the PC like they did for the 360, and GFW is actually a joke, not to mention they made DX10 for Vista only and delayed DX11, also they made XP/Vista/W7 come in 32 and 64 versions.

Sony looks downright innocent compared to this.

As for Bioshock, it only works if you see it as another NOLF2/CB's:Undying type of game, but if you see it as SSIII (or the bastard child of SSII and Fallout) then it sucks just as much as DE:IW (witch was an Xbox and PC game).

Thief III was pretty good actually.

HenriH-42

Why would you see it as SS3 though? Forget the spiritual successor tag thing, thats marketing stuff. Its such a different game to SS2 in terms of its playing style etc. Thief: DS is fantastic and I think the rumoured 4th game, with improved technology will be even better. In someways I probably shouldn't have mentioned Deus Ex: IW - I mean its not as terrible as some say, its just nowhere near the very high bar of its predecessor.

You know what's my main gripe about games like Bioshock, DX:IW and Thief DS? While they might be "OK" games (well Thief 3 was better than expected, Bioshock was pretty crap and DX:IW is the most god awful garbage I have ever played) they might've been a LOT better if they would've been PC exclusives. It's just potential gone to waste. It's like DX:IW, what do you wanna make ? - a forgettable casual mainstream trash corridoor shooter or a potentially "best game ever" hardcore deep PC fps/rpg hybrid? If you try to please both crowds at the same time, no-one will be happy. That's what happened with Deus Ex. There might have been a few who liked Deus Ex Invisible War (I'm sorry for anyone who does) but no-one loved it and remebers it today as a cla$$ic like Deus Ex 1.

I do agree that trying to please everbody pleases nobody. I can't imagine what those games could have been if they had been cared for like the original Deus Ex.

But don't feel sorry for me for liking Deus Ex IW; feel sorry for me because I didn't have the game it could have been to play.

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[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]

You have to understand that shows like spike tv game awards and other stuff like that are HIGHLY influenced by the game companies. "PC" isn't a single brand console/system, so it doesn't have that solid company behind it to do any influncing on it's behalf in these situations.

What, you thought spike tv does the awards show simply for the ratings? riiiiight.....

OoSuperMarioO

With the Spike awards being a niche from Gametrailers who participates in plenty of PC presentations you'll expect more then what came out of that award show. They even fitted mmos into the rpg nomination, just absolute rubbish throughout. I agree that PC lacks pr but the games should really speak for themselves without need of over marketing.

I will agree with you on the marketing... Part of the problem is the pencil pushers behind the marketing choices. Many of which who have never played a game. Look at System Shock 2. One of my all-time favorite games. A game that's almost always listed within god knows publishers TOP 25 OF TOP 100 GAMES OF ALL TIME. Seriously, I've seen many top 100 games lists by several publishers and internet sites and SS2 is almost always in the top 25. Yet the game tanked on the sales front. I know people who are still trying to track down a copy of SS2 because of how highly it rates by both reviewers and people who've played it. On release it got rave reviews and has a huge fan base. So.... Why did it tank... Because EA in it's almighty wisdom thought is was only for "Hard Core Gamers" and fans of the original (like me) and would not inspire purchase sales by the masses. So what did they do. They released it, but didn't really market. They didn't back it. So what do we have now. A great game loved by many but missed by most, because of pencil pushers who have no idea what they're doing in the market they're working in. And it still happens all the time.

And as for the person talking about high piracy on PC games where not on consoles... If pencil pusher who believes there is no piracy on consoles and are using that excuse to shaft legitimate PC gamers is either Extremely Stupid, or Extremely Naive.

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I never understood these arguments and complaints. The PC isn't neglected, it's not dying, it's not going the way of the dodo bird, if anything it's stronger today then it has been in the past ten years, and it's because the video game industry as a whole has recently burst out of it's shell and gone completly mainstream. More money, more devs, more competition,and more game as we have seen over the years.

Consoles are always going to be the top dog though, they are more accesiable to the general public, much more cost effective to the common gamer, eaiser to setup, maintain and use, and eaiser to play. Yes, almost everyone has a PC at home, but a vast majoirty of them are PC illiterate. They know how to conntect to the internet and surf the web, use a few programs, and thats about it.

As for all these game site, this new "award show" on Spike I guess, and everything else that is there to make cash, will do what it needs to do to make cash. Like someone above me has said, it isn't really the ratings they are looking for, it's the cash payouts they get for showcasing these companies platforms and games. There is no owner to the PC, no company controls is completly, can make an argument for Dell I guess but why bother. No one is showering these people with cash to get the PC some solo air time, so why would they. And for the developers, showcase your products to the mass market, more then likely they have a PC version around sure but as I said mass market. That's not the PC, thats the 360 and PS3, thats the Wii and PSP. Shows and review sites are kept alive for the almighty dollar so they're going to consume as much as they can.

For exclusives, they really don't exsist anymore in gaming. There are actually far more PC exclusives then there are console exclusives in this day and age. It's bad business sense really and with the exception of a few genres which CAN'T be done on certain platforms without over complicating things I don't undersatnd why it's done at all, why restrict yourself to one market when you can expand to three, four, five different, strong markets. Now I don't condone cheap, shoddy ports weather its from a console to the PC or vise versa. But in reality we can just as many games as the consoles and alot of times even more.

And now for the quality of games. I've been a gamer for a while now, but am I the only one who really remembers all the crappy and poorly built games that came out back in the day, sure there were some real gems back then but for every gem that came out we had about fifty rocks. For every Baulders gate you got about a dozen Superman 64s. As the games themselves becoming less unqiue and ingenieus, I don't think so. I think the creative well really is starting to dry up, not because developers and writers are getting lazy but because of money, technology, money, money, and risk. We can do some much more with games now then we could ten years ago but fiscally we can really only do so little. And even then in the last few years we have had a great amount of truly unique games come out. The STALKER series, Mount and Blade, WoW, Sins of a Solar Empire, SPORE and these are just the ones that jump at me right away.

Could go one forever, but I'm tired of typing and you're tired of reading. Honestly I don't think the status of PC gaming has changed at all in the past 10-15 years, if anything it's gotten bigger and stronger then it was back then. It's the consoles which have changed largely. They have just spiked up through the roof in recent years and in terms of business and profit have blown past the PC. But at the end of the day, I still believe PC is king. We were the first major player and I think we will die last. Look at WoW, 11.5 million subscribers. Look at The Sims the best selling video game franchise ever. Look at the CoD series, a game put on all platforms for doing it's best on the PC. Millions and millions of people purchase and play just these three titles. So tell me, why are we dying again? Exactly how are we being neglected. If developers truly believed we were a niche market, if publishers really felt selling PC games didn't bring enough return. Then why are we all still here?

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#32 adrake4183
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personally, i like the direction the industry is taking right now -- going mainstream is the only way to appeal to the majority, which promises maximum profit. and money is really the only thing that keeps the show going. let's face it....entertainment business has never had much room for niche market.

that said, i still welcome the effort from the niche devs. just becoz i'm not playing something doesn't mean it's bad and should exist.

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This isn't true. Doing something innovative is the way to profit. The majority is saturated with mediocre fps and sports games. The best selling video game of all time (on any platform) isn't available on any console is the Sims 2. Thats because everyone thought that its was a niche market but in reality the female and casual gaming segments are the less saturated and both segments are almost exclusively pc segments (at least until the wii came out they were). There is plenty of money to be made in the pc market but not by doing the same thing over and over.
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Not many PC exclusives anymore - these so and so's from whatever game site can just play it on their console. The niche, high brow, sophisticated days of games like Deus Ex 1 are over - games have become more mainstream. Sometimes it works (Bioshock), sometimes it doesn't (Deus Ex 2). Just blame the Wii. biggest_loser

Post of the year so far, i agree with 115% of that:P

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Consoles will not be the top dog you just wait and see. This ression will push back consoles and wii. You will no longer ever see a high priced console. If there is any thing there is more garbage games than any thing. the wii is a fad so is consoles.

tell me how meny shooters are there? sony and micro soft are losing a tons of money. If this ression keeps up you will see alot more companies pull out from consoles gaming . The rest of the world plays pc gaming. You will see the pc shine agin. the best wii game is a pc game.

If any thing pc gaming has slaped sony and micro soft in the face. Crysis makes console games look like a joke. world of goo puts the games to shame on the wii.

the website can say all they want agisnt pc gaming, but pc gaming is still top dog. Even the mmo's and pc gaming is shining. Consoles don't even have a true mmo.

Even blizzardactviion share holder and traders have noticed pc gaming. It is the very reason actvisionBlizzard has not suck like EA has in a ression. when it comes to .After everything is said and done pc gaming will become more important than consoles. However do expect goverments and big companies to start carking down on pircay. They know that pc gaming is big money. Indie game devs this is your time to shine. This also is the time for pc gamers to support mods and indie game devs.

EA is starting to take pc gaming alot more seriously. EA's stocks are falling apart and slowly sinking because it's major income base is console only company. Agin their share holder have notice. Never agin will EA look down on pc gamers and pc gaming.

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#35 iam2green
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i hate it also. i don't really don't like reward shows for games because there are celebrity's that don't even play video games. it makes me think of if they really care about it, since they don't play. lately we have been getting some pretty bad ports. gta 4, saints row 2, it gets annoying to read hear about how the review is bad.
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#36 blackdreamhunk
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i hate it also. i don't really don't like reward shows for games because there are celebrity's that don't even play video games. it makes me think of if they really care about it, since they don't play. lately we have been getting some pretty bad ports. gta 4, saints row 2, it gets annoying to read hear about how the review is bad.iam2green
think about it this way pc gaming is bigger than hollywood, Hollywood is no longer top dog. Rune scape a pc game is more poplar than britney spears and jessica abla
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So.... Why did it tank... Because EA in it's almighty wisdom thought is was only for "Hard Core Gamers" and fans of the original (like me) and would not inspire purchase sales by the masses. So what did they do. They released it, but didn't really market.bignick217
The game just didn't sell, period. Not much of Looking Glass' stuff ever did, and neither did the games made in their spirit. Marketing a niche game to hell and back won't save it. Remember, the people making Bioshock set out to originally make it spiritually System Shock 3, and then they made a conscious decision to veer away from that and make it more of a straight action game it after they gauged a distinct lack of excitement. For SYSTEM SHOCK 3. edit:
The best selling video game of all time (on any platform) isn't available on any console is the Sims 2. Thats because everyone thought that its was a niche market but in reality the female and casual gaming segments are the less saturated and both segments are almost exclusively pc segments (at least until the wii came out they were). adrake4183
And actually, IIRC that honor belongs to The Sims 1. It sold something over 30-40 million, where The Sims 2 is down around half that. When you hear 100 million tossed around, they're talking about The Sims as a series, including the expansion packs.
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#38 bogaty
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Deus Ex is considered niche, sophisticated, and high brow? Since when?

What must you make of games like Dangerous Waters, DCS Black Shark,Empires in Arms, or Birth of America II?

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#39 blackdreamhunk
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Crysis and crysis warhead a pc game has put all fps shooter console shooters to shame

EA and EA's share holders notice pc gaming and mmo's and under stand why pc gaming is important

The ression push back sony and micr soft consoles and has made the wii king

The best game on the is the world of goo a pc game.

Runescape a pc game is more popluar than Hollywood,britney spears and jisscia abla

MMO's are shing brighter than any console.

actviion blizzard has become the must important company in gaming in a time of ression wow a pc game is holding the company up high

The hotest games are web based kids pc games in a time of ression

Indie pc gaming devs and mod game devs are finaly starting to be noticed.

People are starting to under stand that pc gaming is world wide and govermente and big business are starting to notice.

Japan under stand it's pc game devs that are the best at gaming

some people may say that 2008 is not the year of pc gaming. But the thing is 2008 is the year of pc gaming. I bet 2009 will be too.

here is why

Console game companies are going bankuprt and it be the pc gaming mods and indie game devs time to shine.

PC MMO's will be become more important to big software companies in times of resssion

Pc mulitplayer and online pc games will shime in a time of resssion

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personally, i like the direction the industry is taking right now -- going mainstream is the only way to appeal to the majority, which promises maximum profit. and money is really the only thing that keeps the show going. let's face it....entertainment business has never had much room for niche market.

that said, i still welcome the effort from the niche devs. just becoz i'm not playing something doesn't mean it's bad and shouldn't exist.

adrake4183

This isn't true. Doing something innovative is the way to profit. The majority is saturated with mediocre fps and sports games. The best selling video game of all time (on any platform) isn't available on any console is the Sims 2. Thats because everyone thought that its was a niche market but in reality the female and casual gaming segments are the less saturated and both segments are almost exclusively pc segments (at least until the wii came out they were). There is plenty of money to be made in the pc market but not by doing the same thing over and over.

i don't know what's wrong what i like and don't like personally, especially what i like is something already set in stone and on-going for years.