To 1080p? Or not to 1080p...that is the question...

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#1 TheSystemLord1
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For a screen 40" in size should I bite the bullet, save myself some money, and go 720p?
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#2 artur79
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For a screen 40" in size should I bite the bullet, save myself some money, and go 720p?TheSystemLord1
I got a 1080p this week. Gears of war looks amazing (although it probably looks just as good on a 720p-TV...). The main reason I got a 1080p-TV is the new HD-format. HD-DVDs look phenomenal compared to regular DVDs.
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It depends on the viewing distance. If you're at about 6-8' away, you probably won't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p.
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#4 BadAndy642
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Save your money.  1080p is nothing but hype in my opinion.  Just like the guys at Best Buy saying that RP HDTV's are antiquated technology.
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#5 artur79
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Save your money.  1080p is nothing but hype in my opinion.  Just like the guys at Best Buy saying that RP HDTV's are antiquated technology.BadAndy642
Heh, that "hype" sure does look pretty... I have not tried to play my PC-games on my TV, but I'm sure they will look way better than on a 720p-TV (I hope most games support that resolution).
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Artur what size is your screen?  And I'm sittin about 7 feet away.

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#7 artur79
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Artur what size is your screen?  And I'm sittin about 7 feet away.

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37 inches, big enough for me. :) I wanted to buy the 42-model, but it's not in stores yet and it's expensive as hell. Point is: with a great signal going into the back of your TV, you don't have to own a 50-incher to see the difference. Here is my TV: Grundig Fine Arts 37".
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Get a 1080p HDTV. That way, you won't have to buy another TV in a year to watch everything in 1080p.
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[QUOTE="BadAndy642"]Save your money.  1080p is nothing but hype in my opinion.  Just like the guys at Best Buy saying that RP HDTV's are antiquated technology.artur79
Heh, that "hype" sure does look pretty... I have not tried to play my PC-games on my TV, but I'm sure they will look way better than on a 720p-TV (I hope most games support that resolution).

Naturally they would, but not everyone has a computer that can display that high.  But there is really no reason to have a 1080p HDTV that is smaller than 50 inches.  If you like yours that is great, but to the guy buying a new HDTV, use the extra money that you saved by getting the 720p one on something like more games, surround sound, or a HD DVD player.

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[QUOTE="artur79"][QUOTE="BadAndy642"]Save your money.  1080p is nothing but hype in my opinion.  Just like the guys at Best Buy saying that RP HDTV's are antiquated technology.BadAndy642

Heh, that "hype" sure does look pretty... I have not tried to play my PC-games on my TV, but I'm sure they will look way better than on a 720p-TV (I hope most games support that resolution).

Naturally they would, but not everyone has a computer that can display that high.  But there is really no reason to have a 1080p HDTV that is smaller than 50 inches.  If you like yours that is great, but to the guy buying a new HDTV, use the extra money that you saved by getting the 720p one on something like more games, surround sound, or a HD DVD player.

Well, I have not seen a 40 inch 1080p side by side with a 720p (same size) with a 1080p-signal (BR/HD-DVD), but I bet I would be able to see the difference. 1080p costs a lot of money, I agree on that one. It's not something school-kids can afford. But if you have money to buy such a TV, you probably have enough money to buy a decent PC too. It all comes down to what you are going to use your LCD for. TV and DVDs look great on a 720p, as do today's console games. So 1080p is pointless unless you have an HD-DVD-/Blueray-player or a decent GPU in your rig.
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#11 BadAndy642
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[QUOTE="BadAndy642"]

[QUOTE="artur79"][QUOTE="BadAndy642"]Save your money.  1080p is nothing but hype in my opinion.  Just like the guys at Best Buy saying that RP HDTV's are antiquated technology.artur79

Heh, that "hype" sure does look pretty... I have not tried to play my PC-games on my TV, but I'm sure they will look way better than on a 720p-TV (I hope most games support that resolution).

Naturally they would, but not everyone has a computer that can display that high.  But there is really no reason to have a 1080p HDTV that is smaller than 50 inches.  If you like yours that is great, but to the guy buying a new HDTV, use the extra money that you saved by getting the 720p one on something like more games, surround sound, or a HD DVD player.

Well, I have not seen a 40 inch 1080p side by side with a 720p (same size) with a 1080p-signal (BR/HD-DVD), but I bet I would be able to see the difference. 1080p costs a lot of money, I agree on that one. It's not something school-kids can afford. But if you have money to buy such a TV, you probably have enough money to buy a decent PC too. It all comes down to what you are going to use your LCD for. TV and DVDs look great on a 720p, as do today's console games. So 1080p is pointless unless you have an HD-DVD-/Blueray-player or a decent GPU in your rig.

I agree 100%.  But it is not how much money you have, but how you want to and choose to spend it.  And I will say that my HD DVD player looks just fine on my Hitachi 51F59A displaying at 1080i,  glad to see someone supporting HD DVD as well.

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[QUOTE="BadAndy642]

I agree 100%.  But it is not how much money you have, but how you want to and choose to spend it.  And I will say that my HD DVD player looks just fine on my Hitachi 51F59A displaying at 1080i,  glad to see someone supporting HD DVD as well.

Sadly, this TV will go more for Blu-Ray probably.  I hate to say it but HD-DVD just was not handled right and has probably all but lost this little format war.  For evidence look no farther than the commercials for DVD and Blu-Ray Disc movies over well...the maybe 2 HD-DVD movie commercials I've seen.

Like my dad told me, "Who cares if the pimple on some guy's ass shows up clearer and more red on a TV a thousand dollars more, what else could you do with the money you used to see that pimple." Good advice...but I don't think he understands :P

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Didn't want to start a new thread, but I just went to my xbox dashboard and the 1080p option is now available. It is a pre hdmi model. This option was never there before. Out of curiousity I clicked the video setting and it worked. What gives? I haven't really examined the picture, but I was under the impression I needed hdmi for 1080p.

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[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

Artur what size is your screen?  And I'm sittin about 7 feet away.

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37 inches, big enough for me. :) I wanted to buy the 42-model, but it's not in stores yet and it's expensive as hell. Point is: with a great signal going into the back of your TV, you don't have to own a 50-incher to see the difference. Here is my TV: Grundig Fine Arts 37".

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not actually seeing 1080p on your 37" set from 7' away. Sure the TV is putting out 1080p resolution, but at 7' your eyes can not tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. A same quality, same sized 720p set would look exactly the same at that distance.
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Geez, I just noticed this is a very old thread I'm wasting my time on...
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Geez, I just noticed this is a very old thread I'm wasting my time on...rastan
oh well. its a pretty good subject. and it never hurts to give info for others that havent seen this thread. so....... how far would i have to set from a 40` 1080 p tv to get the best picture? i heard anyting under 50 is a waste of time and the extra money. is that true?
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Didn't want to start a new thread, but I just went to my xbox dashboard and the 1080p option is now available. It is a pre hdmi model. This option was never there before. Out of curiousity I clicked the video setting and it worked. What gives? I haven't really examined the picture, but I was under the impression I needed hdmi for 1080p.

Heirren

You could of made a new thread mate.

Anyway, it's probably 1080i if not over HDMI or DVI.

Also, the xbox will simply upscale the image as it doesn't actually render 1080.

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[QUOTE="rastan"]Geez, I just noticed this is a very old thread I'm wasting my time on...monson21502
oh well. its a pretty good subject. and it never hurts to give info for others that havent seen this thread. so....... how far would i have to set from a 40` 1080 p tv to get the best picture? i heard anyting under 50 is a waste of time and the extra money. is that true?

You can't just have a blanket statement like "anything under 50 is a waste. The reason for this is that if you sit within 6' of a 50" set, then yes you can see the difference between 720p and 1080p. However over 6', then your eyes can't see the difference even on a 50" set. This graph represents the distance you need to sit from a set size Tv to see a specific resolution: http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but I just went to my xbox dashboard and the 1080p option is now available. It is a pre hdmi model. This option was never there before. Out of curiousity I clicked the video setting and it worked. What gives? I haven't really examined the picture, but I was under the impression I needed hdmi for 1080p.

Tezcatlipoca666

You could of made a new thread mate.

Anyway, it's probably 1080i if not over HDMI or DVI.

Also, the xbox will simply upscale the image as it doesn't actually render 1080.

IIRC it's that the 360 is capable of outputting 1080p over component, but most *televisions* refuse to accept 1080p over component, so the 360 detects that it's not a valid resolution and doesn't bother showing you.
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but I just went to my xbox dashboard and the 1080p option is now available. It is a pre hdmi model. This option was never there before. Out of curiousity I clicked the video setting and it worked. What gives? I haven't really examined the picture, but I was under the impression I needed hdmi for 1080p.

Tezcatlipoca666

You could of made a new thread mate.

Anyway, it's probably 1080i if not over HDMI or DVI.

Also, the xbox will simply upscale the image as it doesn't actually render 1080.



The 360 can output native 1080p.

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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but I just went to my xbox dashboard and the 1080p option is now available. It is a pre hdmi model. This option was never there before. Out of curiousity I clicked the video setting and it worked. What gives? I haven't really examined the picture, but I was under the impression I needed hdmi for 1080p.

shawty1984

You could of made a new thread mate.

Anyway, it's probably 1080i if not over HDMI or DVI.

Also, the xbox will simply upscale the image as it doesn't actually render 1080.



The 360 can output native 1080p.

VERY few games render at 1080. I never said it couldn't output 1080, it upscales. Halo 3: 640p; CoD4: 600p. Most games render at 720p.

Also very few TV's can display 1080p over component. That is the opposite with HDMI/DVI.

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#23 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

You could of made a new thread mate.

Anyway, it's probably 1080i if not over HDMI or DVI.

Also, the xbox will simply upscale the image as it doesn't actually render 1080.

Tezcatlipoca666



The 360 can output native 1080p.

VERY few games render at 1080. I never said it couldn't output 1080, it upscales. Halo 3: 640p; CoD4: 600p. Most games render at 720p.

Also very few TV's can display 1080p over component. That is the opposite with HDMI/DVI.



You said it doesnt render 1080. It does render 1080, you were wrong. Regardless at how often it does, the main point is it can and does, hence you were wrong.

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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

The 360 can output native 1080p.

shawty1984

VERY few games render at 1080. I never said it couldn't output 1080, it upscales. Halo 3: 640p; CoD4: 600p. Most games render at 720p.

Also very few TV's can display 1080p over component. That is the opposite with HDMI/DVI.



You said it doesnt render 1080. It does render 1080, you were wrong. Regardless at how often it does, the main point is it can and does, hence you were wrong.

Yea, he's wrong, but what difference does it make - his point remains and 360 games aren't 1080P. The difference between 360 being able to output 1080P is absolutely nil. ;)

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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

VERY few games render at 1080. I never said it couldn't output 1080, it upscales. Halo 3: 640p; CoD4: 600p. Most games render at 720p.

Also very few TV's can display 1080p over component. That is the opposite with HDMI/DVI.

KHAndAnime



You said it doesnt render 1080. It does render 1080, you were wrong. Regardless at how often it does, the main point is it can and does, hence you were wrong.

Yea, he's wrong, but what difference does it make - his point remains and 360 games aren't 1080P. The difference between 360 being able to output 1080P is absolutely nil. ;)



No listen. Some games are 1080p, not all, infact most aint 1080p, but some are.

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

You said it doesnt render 1080. It does render 1080, you were wrong. Regardless at how often it does, the main point is it can and does, hence you were wrong.

shawty1984

Yea, he's wrong, but what difference does it make - his point remains and 360 games aren't 1080P. The difference between 360 being able to output 1080P is absolutely nil. ;)



No listen. Some games are 1080p, not all, infact most aint 1080p, but some are.

The amount is so little that it doesn't make a difference to anyone. 6 games, 4 of them being XBLA games with not very good graphics in the first place. The other two are obscure titles that nobody plays.

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I'm aware that most games are sub "hd" and that things are upscaled to 1080p. My query was more how I'm getting 1080p through component. I thought it was restricted because it's unprotected.

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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Yea, he's wrong, but what difference does it make - his point remains and 360 games aren't 1080P. The difference between 360 being able to output 1080P is absolutely nil. ;)

KHAndAnime



No listen. Some games are 1080p, not all, infact most aint 1080p, but some are.

The amount is so little that it doesn't make a difference to anyone. 6 games, 4 of them being XBLA games with not very good graphics in the first place. The other two are obscure titles that nobody plays.



Hence his point and now yours is totally wrong. There are games that are rendered at 1080p. How many is toally irrelvant to the point he first made.

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A 40 inch TV at 720p is going to have some pretty large pixels.

You better sit far away from that TV.

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#30 rastan
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You need only sit about 5' from it to look EXACTLY like a 40" 1080p as your eyes can't see the difference past 5' on a 40" set.
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i 1080p and luv it!!!
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#32 X360PS3AMD05
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Old topic should be locked and all tvs are 1080p now days.
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#33 shawty1984
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Old topic should be locked and all tvs are 1080p now days. X360PS3AMD05


No they aint, not here in the UK anyway.

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#34 rastan
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No they are not.
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No they are not.rastan
well they are alot cheaper now. and seem to get even cheaper every year. kinda makes getting a 720 p tv kinda pointless this day in age imo.
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#36 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="rastan"]No they are not.monson21502
well they are alot cheaper now. and seem to get even cheaper every year. kinda makes getting a 720 p tv kinda pointless this day in age imo.



If you want to base your TV choice on the best resolution available thats fine, others would rather buy whats best for them and for some that is 720p due to their viewing distance.

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#37 rastan
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Also, the point that is often missed is that often 720p sets will look better with 720p material-aka your cable TV feeds and 360/ps3 than an upconverted 1080p signal as the upconversion can add it's own problems. Fortunately there are some good upscalers out there, but they are not usually found in low end sets. You need only look at what your sd material looks like upconverted to higher resolutions to see the more obvious issues with upscaling.
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#38 X360PS3AMD05
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Ok i'm sorry, at anything that is larger than 32'' they're all pretty much 1080p, on small screens who really cares anyway. The only time i could understand preferring 720p is because they're buying a Pioneer Elite, even then i'd rather have an LCD/DLP just on power consumption.
Also, the point that is often missed is that often 720p sets will look better with 720p material-aka your cable TV feeds and 360/ps3 than an upconverted 1080p signal as the upconversion can add it's own problems. Fortunately there are some good upscalers out there, but they are not usually found in low end sets. You need only look at what your sd material looks like upconverted to higher resolutions to see the more obvious issues with upscaling.rastan
Disagree, the TV is just garbage. Will have to depend on the source, only thing i know of is Fox which is garbage HD in the first place, 1080 is the way to go and i already owned a 768p plasma. If upconversion is creating problems then have a different device take care of it, won't be noticeable, but watching a Blu-ray on a big screen probably will. 8) I saw 52'' 1080p LCDs and 60'' 1080p DLPs for $700, so i think this whole debate is pretty much over.
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#39 rastan
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Actually there are many 42" and 50" sets as well as a ton of 720p projectors out there. All else being equal if the price is the same, then go with 1080p. If the price is not the same or if the scaler is not as good and you will sit further from the set than the eye can see 1080p, then you are good to go with 720p.