Too soon....?

Windows 8 Beta already coming...?

Man , they keep recycling them like them CoD's , basically the most stable win so far was xp followed by 7 with vista inbetween which was horrible , i suspect this will be the case with win 8 too , maybe win "9" will be more suitable as a replacement for win 7 , untill then i'm not changing my win.(xp->w7->w9 , perfect upgrade order)

Windows 8 Beta already coming...?

FelipeInside

Im lookin forward to this felipe ill be able to play my xbox games on my pc..Its not a shaby windows thing..Cant wait actually..There kind of bringing xbox to the pc..Hope its got the chat icon an stuff it will be cool guess..Also its bringing that feature where you can touch your monitor an click items i think any how..Like in avatar..

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Windows 8 Beta already coming...?

Gladestone1

Im lookin forward to this felipe ill be able to play my xbox games on my pc..Its not a shaby windows thing..Cant wait actually..There kind of bringing xbox to the pc..Hope its got the chat icon an stuff it will be cool guess..Also its bringing that feature where you can touch your monitor an click items i think any how..Like in avatar..

I just think they are merging Windows Live into XBOX Live....FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I just think they are merging Windows Live into XBOX Live....masterdrat

wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too soon considering how long previous editions have lasted. I had XP for, what? 8 years? Something like that.

wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too soon considering how long previous editions have lasted. I had XP for, what? 8 years? Something like that.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too soon considering how long previous editions have lasted. I had XP for, what? 8 years? Something like that.

gmaster456

...Nope, its still 8. Vista was a complete waste of money when it came out.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too soon considering how long previous editions have lasted. I had XP for, what? 8 years? Something like that.

JangoWuzHere

...Nope, its still 8. Vista was a complete waste of money when it came out.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] Try 5. Xp came out in 01, vista in 06. Windows 7 came out in 09 and Windows 8 will release in 2012. If you look at it, they are actually keeping a steady release cycle.

gmaster456

...Nope, its still 8. Vista was a complete waste of money when it came out.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too soon considering how long previous editions have lasted. I had XP for, what? 8 years? Something like that.

gmaster456

If XP came out in 01, then I got 9 years out of it.

Truth be told, there really was no reason for me to get Windows 7 outside of the fact that I finally got a Dx10 video card. If not, chances are I'd still be using XP.

Im not on any bandwagon, I just don't want to throwdown 100+ dollars on something I dont really need, or is not necessary. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

Windows 7 rocks, and I really can't imagine replacing it for at least another three to five years. Chances are though that Dx12 cards will be out in a year or two and that is how theye going to corner the gaming market into buying WIndows 8 tho :P

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] Try 5. Xp came out in 01, vista in 06. Windows 7 came out in 09 and Windows 8 will release in 2012. If you look at it, they are actually keeping a steady release cycle.

gmaster456

...Nope, its still 8. Vista was a complete waste of money when it came out.

If you were okay in downgrading your performance severely in both games and normal browsing then you bought Vista. The hardware that you had would have been vastly better using XP.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

...Nope, its still 8. Vista was a complete waste of money when it came out.

JangoWuzHere

If you were okay in downgrading your performance severely in both games and normal browsing then you bought Vista. The hardware that you had would have been vastly better using XP.

Show me a reason to get it MS... Why exactly do I want it for my PC? Integrating LIVE is a farcry from an incentive because I would'nt have it installed right now if some of my games did'nt require it.

Show me a reason to get it MS... Why exactly do I want it for my PC? Integrating LIVE is a farcry from an incentive because I would'nt have it installed right now if some of my games did'nt require it.

Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Show me a reason to get it MS... Why exactly do I want it for my PC? Integrating LIVE is a farcry from an incentive because I would'nt have it installed right now if some of my games did'nt require it.

gmaster456

That's awfully vague.

tablet functionality and integrated LIVE won't improve the OS in any way.

Which features are of value to PC users? LIVE itself needs a lot of improvement as it is.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] I see you were one of those people who jumped on the Vista hate bandwagon. As long as you had the required hardware it wasn't bad at all. Especially after SP1. gmaster456

If you were okay in downgrading your performance severely in both games and normal browsing then you bought Vista. The hardware that you had would have been vastly better using XP.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Show me a reason to get it MS... Why exactly do I want it for my PC? Integrating LIVE is a farcry from an incentive because I would'nt have it installed right now if some of my games did'nt require it.

Filthybastrd

That's awfully vague.

tablet functionality and integrated LIVE won't improve the OS in any way.

Which features are of value to PC users? LIVE itself needs a lot of improvement as it is.

TO YOU...

read again

TO YOU...

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] I see you were one of those people who jumped on the Vista hate bandwagon. As long as you had the required hardware it wasn't bad at all. Especially after SP1. gmaster456

If you were okay in downgrading your performance severely in both games and normal browsing then you bought Vista. The hardware that you had would have been vastly better using XP.

What reason did you have to upgrade for Vista? DX10 was useless and the performance hit was noticeable on almost every single game.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Show me a reason to get it MS... Why exactly do I want it for my PC? Integrating LIVE is a farcry from an incentive because I would'nt have it installed right now if some of my games did'nt require it.

Filthybastrd

That's awfully vague.

tablet functionality and integrated LIVE won't improve the OS in any way.

Which features are of value to PC users? LIVE itself needs a lot of improvement as it is.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

If you were okay in downgrading your performance severely in both games and normal browsing then you bought Vista. The hardware that you had would have been vastly better using XP.

JangoWuzHere

What reason did you have to upgrade for Vista? DX10 was useless and the performance hit was noticeable on almost every single game.

I find it pretty accurate that every other Microsoft OS has huge issues out of the gate. Prove me wrong Microsoft.

TO YOU...

read again

TO YOU...

FelipeInside

Yes me, a PC USER.

If it does'nt provide any PC functionality that is'nt beyond the scale of Windows Update, why is it even called Windows 8?

I'll ask again, what does it bring for the vast majority of it's userbase?

The ribbon UI throughout the OS for starters. Its not much easier to find things that otherwise wouldn't be obvious. It also increases productivity. gmaster456

Thank you, that's actually a constructive response. I'd appreciate very much if you would provide a couple of details in regards to this "Ribbon UI".

I find it pretty accurate that every other Microsoft OS has huge issues out of the gate. Prove me wrong Microsoft.

PublicNuisance

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

TO YOU...

read again

TO YOU...

Filthybastrd

Yes me, a PC USER.

If it does'nt provide any PC functionality that is'nt beyond the scale of Windows Update, why is it even called Windows 8?

I'll ask again, what does it bring for the vast majority of it's userbase?

The ribbon UI throughout the OS for starters. Its not much easier to find things that otherwise wouldn't be obvious. It also increases productivity. gmaster456

Thank you, that's actually a constructive response. I'd appreciate very much if you would provide a couple of details in regards to this "Ribbon UI".

So cause YOU as a PC user don't use Tablet PC, or a Windows Phone or even a Touch screen then of course it means NO ONE else is allowed to....?

[QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

I find it pretty accurate that every other Microsoft OS has huge issues out of the gate. Prove me wrong Microsoft.

FelipeInside

Yep I agree, and the previous OS Vista had huge issues out of the gate. Thus proving my point.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

I find it pretty accurate that every other Microsoft OS has huge issues out of the gate. Prove me wrong Microsoft.

PublicNuisance

Yep I agree, and the previous OS Vista had huge issues out of the gate. Thus proving my point.

well 95 came out in 1995, 98 in 1998, 98SE 1999, ME 2000, XP 2001......vista 2007, windows 7 2009.

it was windows xp that messed it up. change is always good, unless its for the worse..

[QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Win7 was the smoothest release of a MS OS I've ever seen. It even ran perfectly well (mostly) before SP1...FelipeInside

Yep I agree, and the previous OS Vista had huge issues out of the gate. Thus proving my point.

That's my findings as well. It doesn't mean I won't get Windows 8, just means I am not going to go blindly into it like I did Vista. I lasted 1 week with Vista out of the gate before I moved back to XP. 2 years later and Vista is actually very good.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

Yep I agree, and the previous OS Vista had huge issues out of the gate. Thus proving my point.

PublicNuisance

That's my findings as well. It doesn't mean I won't get Windows 8, just means I am not going to go blindly into it like I did Vista. I lasted 1 week with Vista out of the gate before I moved back to XP. 2 years later and Vista is actually very good.

[QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Yeah, 98 was good... ME was bad....XP was good... Vista was bad... 7 is good.. U just have to skip one...lol....FelipeInside

That's my findings as well. It doesn't mean I won't get Windows 8, just means I am not going to go blindly into it like I did Vista. I lasted 1 week with Vista out of the gate before I moved back to XP. 2 years later and Vista is actually very good.

It was crashing every day on me at launch. I couldn't take it. I actually defend Vista now funny enough. I will move to windows 7 when I have the free money. Or maybe just make the jump to 8 if it gets good user reviews.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

TO YOU...

read again

TO YOU...

Filthybastrd

Yes me, a PC USER.

If it does'nt provide any PC functionality that is'nt beyond the scale of Windows Update, why is it even called Windows 8?

I'll ask again, what does it bring for the vast majority of it's userbase?

The ribbon UI throughout the OS for starters. Its not much easier to find things that otherwise wouldn't be obvious. It also increases productivity. gmaster456

Thank you, that's actually a constructive response. I'd appreciate very much if you would provide a couple of details in regards to this "Ribbon UI".

Its pretty nice

http://www.windows8news.com/2011/04/03/windows-8-windows-explorer-ribbon-ui-revealed/

So cause YOU as a PC user don't use Tablet PC, or a Windows Phone or even a Touch screen then of course it means NO ONE else is allowed to....?

FelipeInside

Yes and no actually.

Ignoring your agressiveness, features like that do not make it Windows 8.

That'd be "Windows Mobile 2012" or whatever they'd like to call it.

Windows 8 is the successor to Windows 7, which needs to be an upgrade.

Gmaster456 seems willing inform about beneficial features so thank dog for that at least.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

So cause YOU as a PC user don't use Tablet PC, or a Windows Phone or even a Touch screen then of course it means NO ONE else is allowed to....?

Filthybastrd

Yes and no actually.

Ignoring your agressiveness, features like that do not make it Windows 8.

That'd be "Windows Mobile 2012" or whatever they'd like to call it.

Windows 8 is the successor to Windows 7, which needs to be an upgrade.

Gmaster456 seems willing inform about beneficial features so thank dog for that at least.

I dont want live clogging up my pc :( i hope linux gets supported more lol...

Its pretty nice

http://www.windows8news.com/2011/04/03/windows-8-windows-explorer-ribbon-ui-revealed/

gmaster456

As the article says, "advanced users" may not appreciate this and as far as I can tell, we're going to suffer a little bit because of it.

"The Home tab offers file operations, like copying, renaming, moving or creating. The file properties, open options and selections are there as well. Many of those items have previously been accessible via the right-click context menu, the menubar or the mouse."

I suppose these features are not immediately transparent but I find having these options readily available through a right-click vastly preferable to another tab in an increasingly cluttered control cluster at the top of your window. Especially considered how easy and accesable the right-click functionality actually is.

"The Share tab offers to send selected files via email or fax, or to a burner. There are furthermore links to advanced sharing options and web sharing options."

This should be a part of right-clicking files, not unlike what it is right now.

"The View tab finally offers options to change the file and folder view mode, grouping options and whether file extensions and hidden files should be displayed or not."

This could use some work actually. File extensions and showing hidden ones? I'm all for making it more acceseable but it's fine having it hidden away a bit. It's not a commonly used feature and I'm much more interested in making Windows less cluttered.

"These options may help inexperienced or new users. Advanced users on the other hand won't really benefit from the display, especially since the ribbon displays many basic functions and functions that are rarely used."

The writer more or less reached the same conclusion as I did. Except, there's not much "advanced" about using any of this. A short tutorial would accomplish the same purpose and the people who can't be bothered with that certainly won't bother much with these features regardless.

More importantly, they actually reduce interface efficiency. I'm going to have to revert several more functions to "****c" mode if using W8 and none of what was mentioned there is particularly complicated, it's just not well explained.

Personally, I don't see it making much of a difference because the people who would benefit the most, are the ones who won't bother with tutorials or exploring functionality in the first place.

Besides, this particular features is a Windows Update download, not something that warrants a new OS. In fact, updates of this level has already taken place with IE through Windows Update and they proved annoyed for both the advanced user (me) and the inexperienced one (my mother).

I'm not saying that W8 won't have value but this particular feature, patches something rather simple and makes it less user friendly, in the process.

Why would I want a tab for what I can achieve with a right-click?

I can understand that you may appreciate this initially, but it's really not an improvement.

Windows 7 is probably my favorite Microsoft operating system of all time. I could see myself using this for 3-4 more years without seeing the need for a new OS.

Sorry if my messages came across as aggressive... that's wasn't my intention and plain text sometimes gets understood wrong. What you still seem to think is that just cause it's touch it has to be portable which is not the case. If someone has a TABLET PC for example, it's still Windows, why not make it easier and more productive adding these features?FelipeInside

That's fine by me. I'm just peeved that it's advertised as Windows 8 while I have yet to see any benefits to getting it over Windows 7.

Improving software is entirely a good thing but Windows 8 does'nt seem to target the people who are most likely to assume themselves target consumers. I just wrote a somewhat lengthy paragraph about Ribbon UI and honestly, those changes are for the worse.

Ribbon seems to be targetted at people that won't ever use half it's functions and much less look them up, regardless of their placement in tabs or right-click menus.

What I read in the link about Ribbon is something I could teach nearly anyone in 30 minutes.

What Windows really needs, is a more streamlined and intuitive Right-Click menu that gives you access to more functionality. Taking that away and adding tabs is a step backwards.

It's far from advanced functionality and such a function certainly does not warrant a new OS.

I've probably come off as too aggressive as well, but this really should'nt be marketed as Windows 8. PC users will think it's beneficial to them and it's not unless some much more substantial features are revealed.

I don't think it's too soon, I just think it's pointless in the context of it being the successor to Windows 7.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Sorry if my messages came across as aggressive... that's wasn't my intention and plain text sometimes gets understood wrong. What you still seem to think is that just cause it's touch it has to be portable which is not the case. If someone has a TABLET PC for example, it's still Windows, why not make it easier and more productive adding these features?Filthybastrd

That's fine by me. I'm just peeved that it's advertised as Windows 8 while I have yet to see any benefits to getting it over Windows 7.

Improving software is entirely a good thing but Windows 8 does'nt seem to target the people who are most likely to assume themselves target consumers. I just wrote a somewhat lengthy paragraph about Ribbon UI and honestly, those changes are for the worse.

Ribbon seems to be targetted at people that won't ever use half it's functions and much less look them up, regardless of their placement in tabs or right-click menus.

What I read in the link about Ribbon is something I could teach nearly anyone in 30 minutes.

What Windows really needs, is a more streamlined and intuitive Right-Click menu that gives you access to more functionality. Taking that away and adding tabs is a step backwards.

It's far from advanced functionality and such a function certainly does not warrant a new OS.

I've probably come off as too aggressive as well, but this really should'nt be marketed as Windows 8. PC users will think it's beneficial to them and it's not unless some much more substantial features are revealed.

I don't think it's too soon, I just think it's pointless in the context of it being the successor to Windows 7.

Aha, but you my good friend want a FREE Expansion (or update in this case) to add more features.

Yes, so do I but then MS won't get any $$$ would they....?

Aha, but you my good friend want a FREE Expansion (or update in this case) to add more features.

Yes, so do I but then MS won't get any $$$ would they....?

FelipeInside

Thing is.. I don't consider it an expansion at all ;)

Those Ribbon UI features are, (from reading the linked article), a litteral downgrade. We'd be better of with a little streamlining and an integrated tutorial for inexperienced users. I believe that's called product support.

Why in the world would I want to access a tab, in order to achieve what a right click does right now?

Even if it did improve functionality, a new OS needs to be far more ambitious than something as trivial as that. :evil:

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Aha, but you my good friend want a FREE Expansion (or update in this case) to add more features.

Yes, so do I but then MS won't get any $$$ would they....?

Filthybastrd

Thing is.. I don't consider it an expansion at all ;)

Those Ribbon UI features are, (from reading the linked article), a litteral downgrade. We'd be better of with a little streamlining and an integrated tutorial for inexperienced users. I believe that's called product support.

Why in the world would I want to access a tab, in order to achieve what a right click does right now?

Even if it did improve functionality, a new OS needs to be far more ambitious than something as trivial as that. :evil:

Ur concentrating on small insignificant things... I'm positive the right click menu will still be there...

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Aha, but you my good friend want a FREE Expansion (or update in this case) to add more features.

Yes, so do I but then MS won't get any $$$ would they....?

FelipeInside

Thing is.. I don't consider it an expansion at all ;)

Those Ribbon UI features are, (from reading the linked article), a litteral downgrade. We'd be better of with a little streamlining and an integrated tutorial for inexperienced users. I believe that's called product support.

Why in the world would I want to access a tab, in order to achieve what a right click does right now?

Even if it did improve functionality, a new OS needs to be far more ambitious than something as trivial as that. :evil:

Ur concentrating on small insignificant things... I'm positive the right click menu will still be there...

Sure, I'll be able to revert to practical settings.

I'm not focusing on insignificant negatives, I'm asking for incentives to upgrade.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Thing is.. I don't consider it an expansion at all ;)

Those Ribbon UI features are, (from reading the linked article), a litteral downgrade. We'd be better of with a little streamlining and an integrated tutorial for inexperienced users. I believe that's called product support.

Why in the world would I want to access a tab, in order to achieve what a right click does right now?

Even if it did improve functionality, a new OS needs to be far more ambitious than something as trivial as that. :evil:

Filthybastrd

Ur concentrating on small insignificant things... I'm positive the right click menu will still be there...

Sure, I'll be able to revert to practical settings.

I'm asking for incentives to upgrade.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Ur concentrating on small insignificant things... I'm positive the right click menu will still be there...

FelipeInside

Sure, I'll be able to revert to practical settings.

I'm asking for incentives to upgrade.

I'm hoping for higher levels of customization, improved scalability in terms of system requirements, improved decompression integration (RAR, ZIP), vastly improved help function (how to handle your SSD, more elaborate hardware explanations), etc.

optimization, improvement and intuitive education for non enthusiasts, not simplification of features that effectively make them worse ;)

Edit: Sadly, I'm a cynicist and I fear I'm not wrong in my pessimism.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Sure, I'll be able to revert to practical settings.

I'm asking for incentives to upgrade.

Filthybastrd

I'm hoping for higher levels of customization: yes, this would be nice. Like the ability to change ur login picture etc. But I understand (from an office point of view) why MS doesn't incorporate this

improved scalability in terms of system requirements: I thought W7 did this pretty well (better than Vista), it can even run on 512MB RAM

improved decompression integration (RAR, ZIP): yes, but that's RAR and ZIP's Market. Windows compression still does a pretty good job

vastly improved help function (how to handle your SSD, more elaborate hardware explanations), etc: I don't know this since I never use the Windows help

optimization, improvement and intuitive education if non enthusiasts, Not simplification of features that effectively make them worse: simplification maybe for you and me... but better for other people???

Edit: Sadly, I'm a cynicist and I fear I'm not wrong in my pessimism.