Total War games, steep learning curve?

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#1 brawnoverblood
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Hey, so i've recently picked up Total War: Shogun 2 for the first time. I have to say, it's an amazing game. But there's one thing... I kinda suck at it, is this just because well... I suck? Or is there a pretty steep learning curve?

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#2 mhofever
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Not really steep at all. You just have to play more to get used to it. You'll then later find your own way in how to govern your clan and strategies in battles. If you lose , no sweat, just know why you lost. In order to know how to win, you would have to lose at some point.
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#3 brawnoverblood
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The real-time segments of the game are the easier portion for me, maybe I should stop playing like a tyrannical fascist and prosper as a nation :P

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#4 deactivated-5920bf77daa85
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I only have Medieval 2, but I'm a lot better at it than I used to be.

Empire building requires learning the UI and how to successfully build settlements (income depends on farming and farming improvements, trade income, and the tax rate)

Combat requires building the right units, and usually handling each unit individually. This was the biggest change from the RTS combat of other games: Combat is usually slower, and more about positioning. But in some cases learning things like guard mode (where they don't case routing enemies, and stay in formation) and skirmish mode (where archers will avoid melee, which I don't use for example with English longbowman) helps a lot too.

It has a learning curve because it is unique.

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#5 ShadowDeathX
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After getting ra*ed a few times in the past 10 hours, here is my advice lol. Conquer Lands that are harder for an enemy to attack you from. i.e, enemies can only come from one direction. Your outer provinces should always carry a strong army and navy while your inner provinces maintain your resources, a smaller army (back up army), and all the commerce. I was going out too strong in my first few rounds and then I got G*ngba*ged by neighborer empires and they didn't want to talk, they all hated him. =( Make Friends and Use them As Bumpers haha, and attack smartly to those who don't like you.
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#6 ShadowDeathX
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Also, there is an update 50MBs. DX10 with AA?
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#7 mkaliaz
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I found the series to be extremely difficult. I will freely admit though that I may just be terrible at RTS games. I will probably buy some more of them once I make progress on the backlog (if that ever happens!). They seem quite a bit different than standard RTS games and require good tactics to survive.

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Empire and Napolean are kinda difficult to wrap your head around because it's almost all guns and troops with miniscule differences. All the others are pretty much the same as any rts in battle. For Shogun 2, the difficulty has really ramped up, so if it's your first total war game, you may want to start on normal or even easy.
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#9 Artekus
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Make alliances and trade agreements early on and pick your first targets carefully. Attacking clans with only one province is a good start and will limit a prolonged conflict if you go straight for their home city, always check what allies they have however, you don't want to find yourself surrounded by several enemies at once early on. For battles, use spear units (Yari and Naginata) against cavalry, swordsmen against spearmen and cavalry to run down exposed archers or flank infantry. Although using cavalry to flank spearmen in Shogun 2 seems almost as futile as charging them head on so avoid if possible. A good way to win early battles is to exploit the poor moral of the ashigaru units and strike directly at their general for a massive loss in enemy moral...although enemy leaders seem quite willing to recklessly charge head first into a spear wall....
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#10 shakmaster13
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Make trade agreements with everyone you can from the start. Then you're basically raking in money. Play skirmish mode to play around with units and figure out which ones you are best with.
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#11 Upparoom
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I'm relatively bad at TW and I've been dominating on battles in normal. Then again, I'm only really fighting off one clan at the moment(Takeda, I'm the Date) and most of the major battles I've fought are defenses of my own castles. I'm also nowhere near where most of their armies are situated.

I'm still pretty impressed with the campaign AI(they seem to act actually diplomatically logical this time), and I've heard hard is much different battle wise.

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#12 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Shogun 2 is probably the easiest Total War game I've played. If you hate learning curves, don't play Empire.

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#13 brawnoverblood
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Don't get me wrong, I love learning curves. It's actually the first RTS i've ever played. And I love it so much, i'm still learning aswell. Just hoping that i'm not a total noob because i'm having difficulties at the beginning -.-