True High End GPU for you...?

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#1 paraskhos_basic
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well guys i was just chatting with my frnds and all of a sudden we were in a discussion on which of the current nvidia cards are truely high end

my frnd owns a gtx 295 and he was claiming it to be the best card (i have no doubt that its a beast)but still the card has overheating issues and the fan noise is really insane sometimes (IMO)

he himself admits it

then i claimed gtx 260 216 to be the best high end card for price/performance and he was like ya 260 216 is really good for the price it comes and sli is even better

also i think OCing gtx 260 216 actaully gives u the performance of gtx 280(correct me if iam wrong here coz i have read it here and there)

gtx 285 is also pretty good

so i just wanna ask which card u feel is the best high end card for u in price performance ratio

also i feel gtx 280 is really weak for its price (i may be wrong)

also this is nvidia so please no aticomments?

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#2 NSR34GTR
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well im an ATI fan so ill go forthe 4870x2 but out of the above ill get the 295
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#3 paraskhos_basic
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i also think that any1 would go with the best the company has to offer but do u think the performance of the card justifies its price?
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#4 TheDuffman26
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GTX 260 = Midrange GTX280/285 = High End GTX 295 = Enthusiast That's how I think of it. Whether or not the price justifies it is up to the buyer. Personally I'd think the price justifies all 3, especially when I remember when a single 8800 ultra cost $800.
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4870x2 / 295GTX / SLi 285GTX / Crossfire HD4870 1GB / 4890 1GB = Enthusiast
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=8 (Fallout 3)

I get About 69fps with 8xaa :D they didn't put 8xaa shame =)

But Legionhardware Did so we can see the enthusaist GPU on a Good Battle Tough we know 295GTX /4870x2 Are about same power they only did test with 295GTX but on over 25 Processor
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=0 (index)
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=9 (Fallout 3)


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/02/23/sapphire-ati-radeon-hd-4870-1gb-toxic/3
Read The 1920x1200 with 8xaa / 16AF MAx Quality On the near bottom of the page :)
Because if you see bit-tech review With ATI 9.1 Instead of 8.12 HOTFIX you clearly see that i shoudl get about 79FPS
But because i posed only a E8600 at stock 3.3Ghz I get 69fps. of 72fps with oc over 79fps if i ad Core i7 940 at 3.7GHZ OC as they tested
But a Core i7 920 with high cooling will reach @ 3.7GHZ there for have same power as Core i7 940 at @ 3.7GHZ
@ = Overclock

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#6 GTR12
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Hey u didnt add 260's in sli, thats wat i got, so i voted for 260 (216)

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#7 TheDuffman26
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Hey u didnt add 260's in sli, thats wat i got, so i voted for 260 (216)

Amith12
Well that setup is pretty much a gtx 295, so I'd say it's truly high end :)
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#8 Mr_NoName111
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I'd say GTX 295 is the high end GPU. GTX 260 is pretty mid range ($200~ to me is mid range, $100~ is low end and anything below is a word processing GPU :D)
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#9 gameguy6700
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4870x2 / 295GTX / SLi 285GTX / Crossfire HD4870 1GB / 4890 1GB = Enthusiast
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=8 (Fallout 3)

marcthpro

What the heck, a GTX285 only gets 61.1 FPS in Fallout 3 at those settings? That can't possibly be correct. I game with a P7811FX (so my GPU is a 9800M GTS) and I get about 45 FPS average in Fallout 3 playing at 1920x1200, settings at high (I'd have them maxed out were it not for the fact that I couldn't tell the difference between "high" and "very high" so I opted for the slight performance gain instead), 4xAA, and I forget what I have AF set to but knowing me it's probably 8x or 16x. I do have the view distance scrolled down a bit though so maybe that's the reason, but I didn't ramp it down by very much.

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#10 paraskhos_basic
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wow nice info guys but now i wanna comment that 260 216 for me isnt a mid range card in any way coz if a card in sli gives me a performance of gtx 295 then i wouldnt consider the gpu to be mid range it is the 3rd best offering from nvidia right now and if u OC it u can get better results from ur card i would consider it to be more of a low high end card also i think i wanna ask is that at wat resolution are these are needed or usefull e.i. a 295 at 1680 is a waste and gtx 260 216 at this resoution for me would be a true high gen card coz going up in cards without increasing the resolution is really not worth so for me the card should be actaully usefull at the reso ur playing or it will be waste comments
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#11 EdgeOfThorns316
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My gtx 295 is pretty awesome, blazing fast, doesnt overheat really at all and the fans...barely hear em when im gaming, music, sounds etc...so nothin but love from me and my 295 :)

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#12 paraskhos_basic
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edge at wat resolution u play?
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#13 EdgeOfThorns316
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edge at wat resolution u play?paraskhos_basic
Currently im playing 1680x1050 on a 22" Acer. I max every game pretty much and i simply dont know how things could look or run anybetter ya know, kind of like fast and smooth is fast and smooth and it either is or isnt, and the card is just awesome. Im also running an i7, gigabyte extreme mobo and 6gb of 1600. But i do plan to upgrade my monitor to at least a 1900x1200 or maybe, if the price is right, higher...but im gunning for a 1900x1200 monitor next here.

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On fallout 3, with a gtx295, im running everything on ultra and maxed out 8aa 16af and im capping out at 62+ fps. I thought on the pc version you could go as high as the sky was the limit? Apparently not. It seems the fps is capped at 60-62 fps? My laptop (see sig) running a 9800M GTS also maxes out at 61-62+ fps on lower settings of 4aa 16af. As for the poll, i choose the gtx295 as the current high end since its pretty much the fastest single card solution out right now. (a sandwiched dual gpu doesnt count as SLI of course) The performance is simply awesome and im happy with using my step-up offer from BFG to go from a gtx260 to this 295. This card will prolly last me a few yrs atleast, since i dont plan on getting a bigger LCD then the 24" i have for now. From what ive seen, the 295 can be used even on lcd screens up to 30". This means ill have plenty of juice for a long time.
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#15 paraskhos_basic
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but i wnana ask some of the experts here that using gtx 295 at 1680 resolution isnt it a kind of an overkill iam asking coz some guys on the forums suggested to me that at this res 295 is really not worth it shines at 1920 and is really a beast at 2560x1680 res(i could be wrong but can any1 tell me this also i get 60+ fps in every game i play except crysis(i dont even play it now) should i go in for an upgrade?
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#16 EdgeOfThorns316
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[QUOTE="paraskhos_basic"]but i wnana ask some of the experts here that using gtx 295 at 1680 resolution isnt it a kind of an overkill iam asking coz some guys on the forums suggested to me that at this res 295 is really not worth it shines at 1920 and is really a beast at 2560x1680 res(i could be wrong but can any1 tell me this also i get 60+ fps in every game i play except crysis(i dont even play it now) should i go in for an upgrade?

And t hese are the same guys that squeeze blood out of their CPUs by OCing ya know, when its like to me an overkill to try and just make your machine do more than what its built to do. But then theyd say that the gtx 295 is overkill....i think thats just a i cant afford it so im gonna find a reason to down it, situation to be honest for many. The 295 sure can shine more on a better monitor, but so could a mustang or a porche on a track to race, know what i mean? Its all about what you want, if you want a rock solid card that wil lgive you everything you want now and will give you everything you want when you decide to upgrade monitors or what nto, its a great purchase. Its not like it under performs if you dont have the right monitor, but like that high powered sports car you cant throttle all the way...its just fun owning or knowing you have it. If you dont game much, then yes a 295 would be overkill....but if you game and want pretty much the best, its a great great purchase.
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#17 paraskhos_basic
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i live in india so everything here is pretty expensive in case u talk about computer i bought this gtx 260 for $410 i could not find any 285 or 280 and when i told him to give me a 295 he said no1 in india importes that card coz its like 800$ or so after taxes and all so no1 buys i got 260 coz 1stly nothing else was available and 2ndly i can sli down the road if 300 series is not that good
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#18 neatfeatguy
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wow nice info guys but now i wanna comment that 260 216 for me isnt a mid range card in any way coz if a card in sli gives me a performance of gtx 295 then i wouldnt consider the gpu to be mid range paraskhos_basic

Any single card out there cannot perform like the GTX 295. Now, you asked what a True High End GPU was....

A single GTX 260 cannot match the performance of a single GTX 280/285/295. Therefore, the GTX 260 cannot be a high end card - unless you view your opinions differently on what "high end" means.

Price/performance, then yes, the GTX 260 is the best bang for your buck from Nvidia - however, it's not a high end card. It's smack dab in the middle of what's available.

9600GT < 9800GT < 9800GTX+/GTS 250 < GTX 260 < GTX 280 < GTX 285 < GTX 295

Anything under the 9600GT, I wouldn't even consider being a gaming card - that would be low-end. The 260 falls right in the middle. Now, if you're talking about SLI configurations, then currently the GTX 285 and 260 are one of the best setups you can currently have; in other words, one of the best price/performance SLI systems. In my opinion, give Nvidia another year or two to better work on how Quad-SLI drivers work and it'll start to blow 2-card SLI out of the water.

But, seeing as you asked about thoughts on a high end GPU and not GPUs, I'd say the GTX 295 is the high end card.

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#19 paraskhos_basic
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i know the 295 is the best u cannot beat 2 sandwiched cards but still i wanted to ask is that isnt 260 after the OC on par with 280? i read somewhr i dont remember but that guy had done the OC on 260 and the OC was 720 or more and he gave some benchies and stable 280 was giving less frames can any1 clarify this coz iam confused on this part also even if 260 is a medium card in the eyes of the public i consider it my best buy to date i have never felt so good about my rig and all the games i play are like smooth as butter also i wanted to ask is if 4870 is considered a high end card and 260 can outperform it in various games or gives equal performance in others how come 260 isnt a high end card?
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#20 codezer0
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(2/3x) GTX 285 or 2x GTX 295 would be the true high-end. If I could find a buyer for my 8800GTS 640, I would be able to put the money I make toward a second 285 so I can do SLi proper.
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#21 paraskhos_basic
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lols do u really need so many gpus nowdays to play with good frames?

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#22 EdgeOfThorns316
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I personally think 2 and 3 vid cards is just silly, the concept that is....its like either a card can run something or it cant, just make a powerful card and charge for it instead of slapping together a video card sandwich.

I mean when does that end ya know, will we see mother boards with 15 slots and then its like "run 15 video cards, woo!".


I just personally think like i said running multiple cards is weird for the most part, i prefer just strong, powerful single cards that can get the job done.

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#23 Tyson8earzz
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[QUOTE="codezer0"](2/3x) GTX 285 or 2x GTX 295 would be the true high-end. If I could find a buyer for my 8800GTS 640, I would be able to put the money I make toward a second 285 so I can do SLi proper.

I have always sold my old vid cards on craigslist to partially support my next vid card purchase. To me its been 100% success. I suggest trying that first if you havent already.
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#24 codezer0
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lols do u really need so many gpus nowdays to play with good frames?

paraskhos_basic
SLi with PhysX acceleration? Why wouldn't you want it? ;)
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#25 gigatrainer
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NVIDIA Quadro FX 5800 Thats high end. Now nVidia should put that kind of power into gaming rather then 4D rendering and release it for 50$, we'll see OnLive dieing.
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I personally think 2 and 3 vid cards is just silly, the concept that is....its like either a card can run something or it cant, just make a powerful card and charge for it instead of slapping together a video card sandwich.

I mean when does that end ya know, will we see mother boards with 15 slots and then its like "run 15 video cards, woo!".


I just personally think like i said running multiple cards is weird for the most part, i prefer just strong, powerful single cards that can get the job done.

EdgeOfThorns316

If 2 or 3 cards are silly to you, then why did you get a double card??? That is even sillier IMHO. Cause you know Nvidia will let the driver support go all to hell when the next top card comes out, right?

Personally I am not a fan of crossfire or SLI, but I am a really put off by these "sandwiched" GPU's. It just seems sorta forced. And this has nothing to do with them costing too much, I could have gotten a GTX295 for a little over $375, but I just don't see it as worth it.

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#27 paraskhos_basic
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he does not have an sli edge has a gtx 295 as he told in this topic
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#28 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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generally speaking, all mentioned cards are high end, though i would not go for less than the core 216 as a buyer.
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#29 EdgeOfThorns316
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he does not have an sli edge has a gtx 295 as he told in this topicparaskhos_basic
I was just saying that to me, the 295 is just killer....but when people talk about buying 2 and 3 video cards for better performance, i just figure why bother...just own one that is seriously powerful.

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#30 opamando
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he does not have an sli edge has a gtx 295 as he told in this topicparaskhos_basic
You do realize that the GTX295 is a dual "sandwiched" card, right? And IMO, worse than regular SLI. I was just saying I found it funny that someone who thought SLI was silly, would own what is basically SLI on a single card.
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#31 EdgeOfThorns316
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[QUOTE="paraskhos_basic"]he does not have an sli edge has a gtx 295 as he told in this topicopamando
You do realize that the GTX295 is a dual "sandwiched" card, right? And IMO, worse than regular SLI. I was just saying I found it funny that someone who thought SLI was silly, would own what is basically SLI on a single card.

Your thinking too hard about it...its a brand new build, im not gonna go out and buy something crappy for it. Its the best single card out there regardless of its guts. But my whole point is that the concept of numerous cards overall is stupid, doesnt mean i wont buy a card that is 2 cards slapped together being thats where the tech is heading....it is what it is, but i find 2 and 3 cards together just a stupid concept, thats all.
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#32 X360PS3AMD05
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285, no-sandwhich cards that lose support once the new flagship is launched-for me thanks.
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#33 paraskhos_basic
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well i think from the poll only 2 cards come out as the winner so far gtx 260 216 and gtx 295 well the funny part is that some ppl call gtx 260 216 a medium range card and basically 295 is an sli of 260 so how can 260 be a medium card? i think IMO 260 is the best high end card also u can just sli it to get performance better than 295 and saving alot of $$$ also i dont think sli or xfire is bad as some1 said its just that mayb u dont use that technology as others do but it doesnt make that tech bad coz u dont use it or want it
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#34 paraskhos_basic
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285, no-sandwhich cards that lose support once the new flagship is launched-for me thanks.X360PS3AMD05
+1 on that i cldnt find myself 285 thats y went with 260 216 and iam very happy i really dont buying flagship cards coz they loose support
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