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#1 Turnipcake
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Can anyone think of any games similar to Icewind Dale/Baldur's Gate/Fallout/Planescape/Arcanum, the usual suspects? It seems like they're the main and only games from the whole isometric RPG period of gaming history, but I'm sure I must be missing some hidden gem somewhere.
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#2 NEOSPARKING
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where is the end turn button in any of those games?
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#3 fireandcloud
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well, jagged alliance 1 & 2 aren't rpgs, but they have turn-based combat. as do x-com and x-com: terror from the deep.
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#4 Turnipcake
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where is the end turn button in any of those games?NEOSPARKING


Usually 'space', though if I remember correctly you had to press enter in Fallout.
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#5 NEOSPARKING
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[QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?Turnipcake


Usually 'space', though if I remember correctly you had to press enter in Fallout.


thats not turn based, have you never played one of those 2423 final fantasy games? Or another JRPG for that matter? That is turn based.
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#6 Turnipcake
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Well Fallout was turn based, admittedly the others were sort of pseudo-turn based. I've played some FF games, but I was thinking more along the lines of classic isometric/2D PC games, ala Baldur's Gate.
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#7 NEOSPARKING
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Sacred and Divine Divinity look like they would be up your alley.
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#8 Makari
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try the temple of elemental evil. it was a completely faithful 3.5e d&d turn-based thing developed by troika.. utterly amazing combat system, shame the game limited you to like level 7 :P it was also kinda buggy, tbh
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#9 NEOSPARKING
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what kinda bugs are we talking about here?
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#10 Turnipcake
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I've played Divine Divinity before and never really gave it a chance (vague memories of some old man giving me rats to poison people with? I might have imagined that). I'll try out all three, I have nothing to lose but hours of my life!
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where is the end turn button in any of those games?NEOSPARKING

doesnt need na end turn button to be considered turn-based.. it can all be automated.

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[QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?Lilgunney612

doesnt need na end turn button to be considered turn-based.. it can all be automated.

Most consider those games real time though.. Turn based are like Final Fantasy tactics, heroes of might and magic etc etc..

If your looking for similar games as you stated.. Look no further then NWN 1, and KOTOR.. KOTOR 2 was a test of patience due to bugs and laugabhle difficulty later on, not to mention as one of the worse endings in game history ever.. While NWN 2 is a bug fest as well that runs more poorly then Crysis on my machine (8800 GTS, E4300 overclocked to a E6600, and 2gb of PC 800 ddr2 memory).. It also is a extremely linear game to boot.. I suggest you don't get these games till you played the prior two to death.

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#13 Turnipcake
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I've completed both KOTORs, I never really got into NWN as it was a bit...fancy-pants.
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Well, i would recommend trying Neverwinter Nights again. Don't go for the actual original game but for fan made modules, there is some amazing stuff waiting to be played there that actually put the original story to shame and it surely will keep you busy for the next month. Just make sure you have a good connection as most modules use a load of custom content.

Other than that, like its been said, Temple of elemental evil is amazing but incredibly bugged on so many levels even with the community fixes and all the patches. Still it worth a try as the combat system is one of the best I've seen into any rpg.

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what kinda bugs are we talking about here?NEOSPARKING
as cenerune said, one of the games that defines what it is to be a buggy game. not entirely the developer's fault.. iirc they were forced to release early and then forced to stop releasing official patches by atari. it just feels unpolished, with the exception of the combat system, which is AMAZING. if you liked fallout and BG-style, you'll probably think TOEE has one of the best combat systems ever done haha.
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[QUOTE="Lilgunney612"]

[QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?sSubZerOo

doesnt need na end turn button to be considered turn-based.. it can all be automated.

Most consider those games real time though.. Turn based are like Final Fantasy tactics, heroes of might and magic etc etc..

If your looking for similar games as you stated.. Look no further then NWN 1, and KOTOR.. KOTOR 2 was a test of patience due to bugs and laugabhle difficulty later on, not to mention as one of the worse endings in game history ever.. While NWN 2 is a bug fest as well that runs more poorly then Crysis on my machine (8800 GTS, E4300 overclocked to a E6600, and 2gb of PC 800 ddr2 memory).. It also is a extremely linear game to boot.. I suggest you don't get these games till you played the prior two to death.

Agreed, NwN 2: Buggiest game ever

Obsidian sucks

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Lilgunney612"]

[QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?Darth_Kane

doesnt need na end turn button to be considered turn-based.. it can all be automated.

Most consider those games real time though.. Turn based are like Final Fantasy tactics, heroes of might and magic etc etc..

If your looking for similar games as you stated.. Look no further then NWN 1, and KOTOR.. KOTOR 2 was a test of patience due to bugs and laugabhle difficulty later on, not to mention as one of the worse endings in game history ever.. While NWN 2 is a bug fest as well that runs more poorly then Crysis on my machine (8800 GTS, E4300 overclocked to a E6600, and 2gb of PC 800 ddr2 memory).. It also is a extremely linear game to boot.. I suggest you don't get these games till you played the prior two to death.

Agreed, NwN 2: Buggiest game ever

Obsidian sucks

i can vouch for that.. may be buggy but is still a very fun game.

only problems ive had with is so far are the autosaves and how kelgar (the dwarf) randomy disappeared on me :?

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I've played Divine Divinity before and never really gave it a chance (vague memories of some old man giving me rats to poison people with? I might have imagined that). I'll try out all three, I have nothing to lose but hours of my life!Turnipcake

Give Divine Divinity another chance man! Its a fantastic game, but it definatly took awhile to get going and get me hooked.

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[QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?Lilgunney612

doesnt need na end turn button to be considered turn-based.. it can all be automated.

In fact (if you set your combat options right) the game pauses at the end of each combat turn, giving you the ability to switch between characters and issue new orders for each character before starting the next turn. The only difference from say Final Fantasy and such is that if you don't give the characters specific orders, they act on their own. In this way it works just like it's children game, KOTOR series.

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#20 Turnipcake
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Wasn't Divine Divinity a Diablo clone? I wasn't really looking for hack and slash, more combat AND storyline.
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Wasn't Divine Divinity a Diablo clone? I wasn't really looking for hack and slash, more combat AND storyline.Turnipcake

Yeah its somewhat a Diablo clone... but its a very good one, with an AMAZING story and some very interesting characters. Also has some decent combat to, but you are right.. its not a turn based rpg. WOrth checking out though! Its a really beautiful game with some great art/feel to the world

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Anachronox.
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#23 Turnipcake
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I've played Anachronox of course, but it's not really what I'm after. It seemed like Black Isle had this slew of amazing games and they've never really been matched -- in fact, the only game similar to that 'Black Isle' style that I've found is Arcanum. I should have titled this thread 'Any games similar to ones made by Black Isle' or something.
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I have just the right games for you. Temple of Elemental Evil. This is a gem IMO. It uses pure Turn-based D&D battle system which I prefer. This game is from the same studio that brought you Vampire the Masqurade: Bloodlines. When I remember that the studio just went under I feel like crying. Also, noteworthy, Night Watch and Day Watch by NIVAL Interactive.
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[QUOTE="Makari"]try the temple of elemental evil. it was a completely faithful 3.5e d&d turn-based thing developed by troika.. utterly amazing combat system, shame the game limited you to like level 7 :P it was also kinda buggy, tbh

Someone beat me to it, but as I said, try Night Watch & Day Watch.
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#26 hamidious
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[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Lilgunney612"]

[QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?Lilgunney612

doesnt need na end turn button to be considered turn-based.. it can all be automated.

Most consider those games real time though.. Turn based are like Final Fantasy tactics, heroes of might and magic etc etc..

If your looking for similar games as you stated.. Look no further then NWN 1, and KOTOR.. KOTOR 2 was a test of patience due to bugs and laugabhle difficulty later on, not to mention as one of the worse endings in game history ever.. While NWN 2 is a bug fest as well that runs more poorly then Crysis on my machine (8800 GTS, E4300 overclocked to a E6600, and 2gb of PC 800 ddr2 memory).. It also is a extremely linear game to boot.. I suggest you don't get these games till you played the prior two to death.

Agreed, NwN 2: Buggiest game ever

Obsidian sucks

i can vouch for that.. may be buggy but is still a very fun game.

only problems ive had with is so far are the autosaves and how kelgar (the dwarf) randomy disappeared on me :?

I patched the game and it works fine for me, it still has some bugs though. Still, considering how awesome the game is, I can forgive them.
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Wouldn't heroes of might and magic be the ultimate one?
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[QUOTE="Turnipcake"][QUOTE="NEOSPARKING"]where is the end turn button in any of those games?NEOSPARKING


Usually 'space', though if I remember correctly you had to press enter in Fallout.


thats not turn based, have you never played one of those 2423 final fantasy games? Or another JRPG for that matter? That is turn based.

They still use a turn based combat system so there for ther are turn based, anyway to the TC pick up Neverwinter Nights if you can, you wont regret it.

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#30 Turnipcake
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Night Watch looks decent, I'm going to check it out. As for NWN, I've played the original but not the sequel. Would it be worth going back to the first one and giving it a proper go? Also, HOMM is classic! I used to play #2 as a kid, I love that series.
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#31 Makari
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Night Watch looks decent, I'm going to check it out. As for NWN, I've played the original but not the sequel. Would it be worth going back to the first one and giving it a proper go? Also, HOMM is classic! I used to play #2 as a kid, I love that series.Turnipcake
the original campaign in nwn1 was kinda meh.. the expansion campaigns were a lot better. for nwn2, the story and stuff in the original campaign was better than nwn1's, and the expansion for nwn2 was just plain awesome. that said... none of them matched bg/iwd for me. :( nwn2 motb came close. nwn1 has a metric ton of mods and stuff out there for it, though. well.. if you like HoMM, you might like Age of Wonders too? lol. it's a decade-old strategy game in the vein of Heroes, not at all a combat rpg.
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Yeah, Black Isle seemed to go through this period of making games that have never really been matched since, the day they went down was the day I died a little inside.
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try the temple of elemental evil. it was a completely faithful 3.5e d&d turn-based thing developed by troika.. utterly amazing combat system, shame the game limited you to like level 7 :P it was also kinda buggy, tbhMakari

I totally agree. TOEE is the bomb... except it also bombs a lot (has lots of bugs). It's funny, I practically posted this exact post like a few weeks ago, only I was saying I wanted a D&D-like games specifically The big ones people mentioned were:

  • Temple of Elemental Evil (you must try this one, it's an AD&D game, and it's very good)
  • Baldur's Gate I & II (sweet games)
  • Neverwinter Nights (never played it)
  • Icewind Dale (same engine as Baldur's Gate)
  • Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor (AD&D game, see my comments about it below)

Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor is surely one that matches your criteria, although I must say right now, that game is not that amazing, and not because it's from 2001. Age is not its problem. It is AD&D totally. They got that down right. And it's turn-based just like you're wanting. But the game itself is just not that good. It gets repetitive and turns into long journeys into monotonous underground caves, and some aspects of the game were just not used like they should have been. Like your character alignment means virtually nothing except you can't have someone on your team that is 1 or 2 levels of alignment away from anyone else. Just an example. It's much less buggy than TOEE though.

Conclusion... OMG, get TOEE!!!!

what kinda bugs are we talking about here?NEOSPARKING

With TOEE, we're talking about some random crashing. We're talking performance issues. For instance, the pathfinding algorithm your guys use when you tell them to walk somewhere is terrible. You might click somewhere and the game locks for 3 seconds before it has the path calculated. You would never see that in baldur's gate.

There was this one bug where a certain animation was causing the game to run absolutely terribly. So slow in fact that if you kept the screen on that area of the map for too long the game crashed totally. To get past that part of the level and I had to lure the bad guys towards me so i didn't go to the part of the map with the screwed up animation (or whatever it was).

Wasn't Divine Divinity a Diablo clone? I wasn't really looking for hack and slash, more combat AND storyline.Turnipcake

Yes, it was a diablo clone. Divine Divininty is not what you're looking for.

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Silent storm, everyone keeps listing RPG's that aren't combat orientated. Silent storm is a big sleeper. It's very in depth on its character customization and advancement. You should check it out.