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http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/1601001838
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.179422-Ubisoft-DRM-Authentication-Servers-Go-Down
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Schadenfreude, yeah, that's the word. I want both the people who thought this DRM was a good idea and the people who are knowingly supporting it by buying games with it to be miserable, if only for a little bit. :lol:
Schadenfreude, yeah, that's the word. I want both the people who thought this DRM was a good idea and the people who are knowingly supporting it by buying games with it to be miserable, if only for a little bit. :lol:
SpaceMoose
Some of the people who understand how rampant piracy has become are still supporting Ubisoft over this. I understand what you're saying, but there are quite a few people who are more against piracy than they are against DRM schemes. A lot of them, if they're inconvenienced for a day near the launch of this, will be willing to put up with this. :) EDIT Whoa! Check it out - double quotations!Schadenfreude, yeah, that's the word. I want both the people who thought this DRM was a good idea and the people who are knowingly supporting it by buying games with it to be miserable, if only for a little bit. :lol:
SpaceMoose
Some of the people who understand how rampant piracy has become are still supporting Ubisoft over this. I understand what you're saying, but there are quite a few people who are more against piracy than they are against DRM schemes. A lot of them, if they're inconvenienced for a day near the launch of this, will be willing to put up with this. :)Well, I'm not going to pirate the games, and I'm not going to buy them either. I feel like these DRM schemes are punishing legitimate customers far more than they are the pirates. All the people who crack all these games see this stuff as is another challenge anyway.WufusRainwright
Apparently Ubisoft's vision for the future is that whenever someone doesn't have internet access for whatever reason the only games they will be able to play are ones from years long past.
Well, I'm not going to pirate the games, and I'm not going to buy them either. I feel like these DRM schemes are punishing legitimate customers far more than they are the pirates. All the people who crack all these games see this stuff as is another challenge anyway.[QUOTE="WufusRainwright"] Some of the people who understand how rampant piracy has become are still supporting Ubisoft over this. I understand what you're saying, but there are quite a few people who are more against piracy than they are against DRM schemes. A lot of them, if they're inconvenienced for a day near the launch of this, will be willing to put up with this. :)
SpaceMoose
Apparently Ubisoft's vision for the future is that whenever someone doesn't have internet access for whatever reason the only games they will be able to play are ones from years long past.
i dont know if anyone knows this but Pirates have not yet been able to pirate silent hunter, and its been out for a few days, most games are pirated weeks before there even released. especialy considering this game is probobal having some massive efforts done to it to try and crack it seems pretty immpressive that they have not been able to yet. if this DRM ends up working then i have no problem with it. and they even said that if it does get cracked there going to patch the game to run without, which seems pretty reasonable to me. so no there not punishing the legitimate customers and not the pirates because so far there have been no pirates, and come on who using a gaming computer isnt connected to the internet....and come on who using a gaming computer isnt connected to the internet.dg8794Well, for starters, a lot of the time when my internet connection is out (which is fairly routine), I want to play a game. Just the other day I saw someone in the Starcraft II forums asking if they would be able to play Starcraft II's multiplayer over dial-up, because broadband was not available in their area. Some people play games on laptops. This thread itself quite obviously illustrates another problem, but most of all I just reject the idea of not actually being able to legally OWN a single-player game, on principle, and that someone can cut off my access to a game that I supposedly "purchased" for any reason they deem fit, which is exactly what this amounts to. It's sort of like the gaming equivalent of suddenly not being able to buy anything with cash anymore, but rather only debit or credit cards, with the argument being that the existence of cash makes it easier for criminals to do illegal activities (although obviously games aren't quite so serious as that). I didn't know they said they would patch the game to run without it, although I kind of had it in the back of my mind that they would if at some point they decided it would actually get more people to buy the game.
I'm kind of glad of this as well. You can say everyone has internet and this isn't a problem, but what about 2 years down the road when Ubisoft determines it isn't profitable for them to support these older games. It's just stupid overall.guynamedbillyThe DRM can be removed.
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I'm kind of glad of this as well. You can say everyone has internet and this isn't a problem, but what about 2 years down the road when Ubisoft determines it isn't profitable for them to support these older games. It's just stupid overall.WufusRainwrightThe DRM can be removed. What if they stop hosting the patch they might make to remove the DRM? I've got a digital video DVD movie that I can't watch because the licensing servers aren't hosting their authentication anymore. What if Ubisoft closes it's doors?
[QUOTE="WufusRainwright"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I'm kind of glad of this as well. You can say everyone has internet and this isn't a problem, but what about 2 years down the road when Ubisoft determines it isn't profitable for them to support these older games. It's just stupid overall.guynamedbillyThe DRM can be removed. What if they stop hosting the patch they might make to remove the DRM? I've got a digital video DVD movie that I can't watch because the licensing servers aren't hosting their authentication anymore. What if Ubisoft closes it's doors? you would still be able to download the patch off of fileplanet or something similer
That explains why I had trouble playing Silent Hunter 5. I went to call them to find out what's happening, only to notice a tech support call costs me something like $1.90 per minute. What? Since when have companies started charging for tech support on a purchased product?
I have to admit feeling a sadistic sense of glee at seeing this. Eff that ridiculous DRM.SpaceMoose
I feel the exact same way, the new DRM plus the $60 price tag made me decide to not buy this game, i may pick it up once the price has fallen to around 20-30 on steam and Ubisoft realizes they failed with their DRM and releases this "offline patch" i've herd rumors about
They're not down. This is a bad thread.WufusRainwrightHm, your post is nine hours after the first one. Let's see if we can put two and two together. This is a tricky puzzle, but I'm sure if we work on it together we can figure out this mystery.
Hm, your post is nine hours after the first one. Let's see if we can put two and two together. This is a tricky puzzle, but I'm sure if we work on it together we can figure out this mystery. Okay, I'll go polish up my spyglass. :)[QUOTE="WufusRainwright"]They're not down. This is a bad thread.SpaceMoose
Whats the deal with game servers going down lately? (Bad company 2 for example.)
They trolololed a lot of people:PThis was somewhat acceptable in 2004 when HL2 launched, but now it's 2010, the game wasn't launched worldwide and it was available for a few days - they could've adressed stress problemsBaranga
Lol found out about this in ray william johnson. Its funnier when he says "Ha ha ha ha...... ha ha ha ha" Too bad that part is near the end. Anyway, it seems that instead of servers getting better nowadays, they know get worse and less reliable, which is very weird.
The plot thickens. Ubisoft says the DRM servers were the subject external attacks. It then lies about the length of the problem - it lasted more than 10 hours - and says only 5% of the customers were affected (sounds vague!)...
Surely 5% is 5% too much?
And the servers went down in Europe Sunday afternoon. Worst possible time.
Oh yeah they just admitted the servers are vulnerable and they can't ensure their customers can play.
They also keep denying that Silent Hunter was cracked, when it actually was. As for AC2, that one still has problems... but yesterday it was more playable than the legit version.
A big facepalm must be send to ubisoft right now. A really big one...The plot thickens. Ubisoft says the DRM servers were the subject external attacks. It then lies about the length of the problem - it lasted more than 10 hours - and says only 5% of the customers were affected (sounds vague!)...
Surely 5% is 5% too much?
And the servers went down in Europe Sunday afternoon. Worst possible time.
Oh yeah they just admitted the servers are vulnerable and they can't ensure their customers can play.
They also keep denying that Silent Hunter was cracked, when it actually was. As for AC2, that one still has problems... but yesterday it was more playable than the legit version.
Baranga
[QUOTE="WufusRainwright"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I'm kind of glad of this as well. You can say everyone has internet and this isn't a problem, but what about 2 years down the road when Ubisoft determines it isn't profitable for them to support these older games. It's just stupid overall.guynamedbillyThe DRM can be removed. What if they stop hosting the patch they might make to remove the DRM? I've got a digital video DVD movie that I can't watch because the licensing servers aren't hosting their authentication anymore. What if Ubisoft closes it's doors?
I don't really care Ubisoft closes their door because putting this DRM is a big mistake.
Ubisoft just sucks big time. I think they're possibly my most hated dev/pub at the moment. they're trying to act like hard asses but they're just doing it all wrong. You don't act like hard asses with potential customers who are going to buy your product. That's not how business works.
And all they've done with this new DRM is completely destroy their reputation. and also all these dumb ass statments they're producing in regards to this matter. That's just making them look even worse,their PR department is balls.
The reality is, no matter what you think pirates/crackers are the reason for this situation. They are the reason we have DRM in the first place. It's just sad to see them not only hurting a publisher/developer this time, but gamers themselves. And yet you people praise the situation...sad.Renevent42
What is sad is that one publisher decided to delay the pc version of a game that does average on pc just to fill it with drm first (Ac2)
What is also sad is that they think they cant make it work when they failed already.
What is even more sad is that people who have assasin creed 2 on pc cant play it and return the game and buy the console version for half the price.
But the saddest thing of all is that there are games that are pirated far more on pc but i dont see the gamedevelopers using such excessive drm methods just because they think it will....."Stop pirates from playing the game" :lol: Forget about it ubisoft, You cant force someone who wants a game for 0$ to buy it for 60$, thats a fact. Its more possible that all those pirates and hackers will unite and make the game work, rather paying up ubisoft. Thats what they dont seem to realize, that the industry cant force the pirates to buy their games.
So why force buyers to suffer for no reason?
As far as I heard the game hasn't been cracked fully yet...the game can't progress. So so far the DRM is actually more successful then any of you would give it credit.
Regarding your "what is sad" comments...stupid rhetoric.
You cant force someone who wants a game for 0$ to buy it for 60$, thats a fact
Baloney...that situation only exists when that free copy is freely and easily available... which is exactly what Ubisoft (really every publisher/developer out there) is trying to fight.
Not every pirated copy is a lost sale...maybe not even the vast majority of them...but you have to be brain dead to think that had there not been a totally free easily attainable copy with no negative ramifications (legal) out there that some of those people obviously interested in the game may have purchased it.
If there's anything that can kill or negatively change the face of PC games, it's crackers pirates and pirate apologist. Not "lazy developers". Not evil publishers. Not any of the other stupid crap I hear come out of so many of your mouths. It's the freeloading scum and the people who make that whole "culture" possible. And now they are harming gamers directly. Wonderful.
:roll: Both buyers and pirates experiance problems. I wouldnt call that "sucessfull" Regardless being legit or not, people can either play the game or experiance problems. Therefore this method has proved crap and that is sad indeed. If it sucseed on being playable only as legit and actually being playable, then it would be sucessfull. But so far the pirated version is more "playable" than the legit that does not even connect to ubisoft servers, therefore you cant even play the game for a few minutes. But the pirates can.
Dude, that didn't even make sense. As of yet, the DRM hasn't fully been cracked...and the reason people in one region couldn't play was because of pirate terrorist. And no, the pirates can't...they can only start up the game and get to a very early point...they can't progress. That's hardly playing.
That's the reality now...what I mean is the terrorist comment. It's gone from attacking game developers/publishers to now targeting the innocent gamers in the middle. That's digital terrorism. And you people praise this crap? Got your ideologies all screwed up...time to screw your heads on straight. If there's anything that is realistically a threat to PC gaming...THIS is it.
So you praise the fact pirates have sabotaged your ability to play the game? :lol: Amazing logic with this one. Renevent42Uinformed and incorrect. Pirates cant "sabotage" anything. Hackers can but that is a lie. There is no way hackers can sabotage ubisoft and cant make the game run. Its a problem on ubisoft behalf because they got "high demand" as they say :lol: Right, so if they have high demand so soon, why even bother using it? Go read the review of the pc version. They say that they try to connect and often they cant even connect or ubisoft cant even regonize their acounts. Nice job ubisoft. So the singleplayer experiance is wrecked by constant connection issues. I think that in pc gaming we got enough issues to worry about, either on our behalf or the game needing patching. Now ubisoft introduced a new factor. Problems on their behalf at any time anywhere any day. I refuse to contribute into that crap.
The reality is, no matter what you think pirates/crackers are the reason for this situation. They are the reason we have DRM in the first place. Renevent42
Nope you're wrong. The thing is DRM is not there just to stop people downloading the software. It's also there to stop legit customers having full rights over the software they've bought. So basically DRM is stop customers being able to rent or loan the game to family and friends. And to stop the possibility of the buyer re-selling the game on as second hand. If you think it's right that you should not be able to do any of these things with the software you purchased. Then yes you're what a dev/pub would consider a legit customer.
most people who buy the software are the exact people the devs/pubs are targeting their DRM at. it's not just the pirates that DRM is for. And that is why they don't give a damn if the intrusive DRM measures anger paying customers. because a lot of people who bought the sofwtare are going against their license agreement and loaning the software out to family or friends. Exchanging cd keys etc etc.
Paying Customers and pirates who download the software are one and the same in the eyes of DRM. They both cause sales not to reach the dev/pubs ultimate goal.
No, DRM isn't there due to people pirating software :lol:
The fact is piracy started well before DRM, and it has been a back and fourth battle ever since. You guys have deluded yourselves into believing a fantasy. And now you guys are defending the actions of digital terrorists. Really should be ashamed.
"Uinformed and incorrect. Pirates cant "sabotage" anything. Hackers can but that is a lie. There is no way hackers can sabotage ubisoft and cant make the game run. Its a problem on ubisoft behalf because they got "high demand" as they say dakan
You are the one uninformed...Ubisoft said the servers were targeted.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/03/ubisoft-on-drm-snafu-servers-attacked-pirates-locked-out.ars
This 'failure' was due to a massive DDoS attack on our serversUbisoft
The statistics pulled out of various arses and lies about Sunday's downtime, coupled with previous statements, make me believe the DDOS application was called AC2.exe. Who knows, I may be on to something here?:)
Even if it was a DDOS attack, then Ubisoft are Strudelkopfs for 1. not anticipating this, 2. having vulnerable servers and 3. figuring out what happened a day later.
Tell that to the customers that were expecting Ubisoft to ensure they can play their single-player games. 10 hours downtime? You've got to be kidding me. They thought the servers went down because of the high demand. Why exactly didn't they have servers that could support the exact number of AC2 copies released trying to log in?
There's no excuse for what happened Sunday. It's just a gigantic flaw in this piece of **** DRM.
I'll buy the game though, I can't pass up on it.
Don't expect this kind of DRM to last, it never does. I'm more worried about Ubi pulling a Ghost Recon and shutting down the service, leaving the games unplayable.
Terrorist:lol:
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Point is, if a DDOS attack existed and crippled Ubisoft's network, it only served to open the eyes of everybody to how flawed this system is. I can't wait to see what happens when Ubisoft blows a fuse and the servers are down again. It happens to Steam too, but at least you can play your freakin' SP-only games.
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