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#1 JigglyWiggly_
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I was wondering what was happening, I couldn't be hopping, like it requries skill to bunnyhop in CSS, and like I just couldn't do it, nomatter how hard I tried...

Then I see this garbage

Added cvar sv_enablebunnyhopping, defaulted to 0. ( A value of 1 autotags the server with "bunnyhop" )

Can valve stop changing core game mechanics? That ruined the game for me, my name is JigglyWiggly after all :(

And bunnyhopping in CSS was not like othergames where you just tap space and stuff, you had to go zig zag and have super precision, and now they just take it off completely...

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#2 KHAndAnime
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Bunny hopping hasn't been in Counter-Strike since what...1.2?
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#3 thebaiter
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at first i thought the bunny hoppers were annoying as all hell but then i was like "oh well i might as well try" and realized its really fun. was this the beta that they did this update to? no way they just updated that out of nowhere did they?

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#4 thebaiter
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Bunny hopping hasn't been in Counter-Strike since what...1.2?KHAndAnime

they dumbed it down a ton but it is still existent , or was... on some servers anywho

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#5 JigglyWiggly_
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They just updated it to the real game... they keep casualizing the game, and it's making me angry. Oh and KH, they did remove bunnyhopping, they made it a lot harder, which is why I said it took skills. Now they removed it completely, it's impossible to gain acceleration.
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#6 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Bunny hopping hasn't been in Counter-Strike since what...1.2?thebaiter

they dumbed it down a ton but it is still existent , or was... on some servers anywho

Can't say in my years of playing Counter-Strike that I've seen a single person bunny hop since pre-Source. Air strafe perhaps, but not bunny hop.
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#7 JigglyWiggly_
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Want me to make a video lol?
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#8 KHAndAnime
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Want me to make a video lol?JigglyWiggly_
Yea, I'd like to see.
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#9 nutcrackr
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I don't think bunny hopping added anything good to counter-strike, removing it is a non-issue for me. However I don't really support changing long standing game mechanics that have been in there since like 2003? This revival type deal they have put in place with all the achievements and gamelay changes isn't somethig I support at all. If they wanted to boost sales or whatever they could have just made some maps, added achievements and left the rest as is. Just make another cs game, don't twist and bend the original.
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#10 i5750at4Ghz
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Good, hate bunny hoppers.
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#11 thebaiter
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Good, hate bunny hoppers.i5750at4Ghz

im sure thats why they changed it the majority of players hated it but idk it felt just...right...hopping around with my mouse scroll on awp map ...good times *sigh*

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#12 JigglyWiggly_
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Good, hate bunny hoppers.i5750at4Ghz
That's because you're not super pro, and like I had super kds and bunny hopping did help against the campers and then flying past them, do a 180 and killing them got them so mad, and then all the spectators say things like "QQ, BAD, uninstall CSS", to the guy who died and I go loling.

Oh and the video I am compressing then going to upload. ETA like 7 minutes.

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#13 KLONE360
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ZOMG WTF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Leave CSS alone valve jesus. You can make something to balanced or to good. Well atleast it isnt like BC2 or Dice in genereal where each patch makes things worse.
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#14 JN_Fenrir
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I'm sorry, but bunnyhopping is and always has been downright stupid. The whole hook of CS is that you're supposed to control your movement and firing in order to promote accuracy. You're not supposed to be able to just run and jump everywhere like in an arena shooter; that's the principle that distinguished CS in the beginning. That's why bunnyhopping was never a feature, but rather an exploit that some players used to gain an unfair advantage.

I'm glad they've added this new cvar and made it easy to filter out servers that leave it enabled. This is good news to me.

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#15 JigglyWiggly_
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I'm sorry, but bunnyhopping is and always has been downright stupid. The whole hook of CS is that you're supposed to control your movement and firing in order to promote accuracy. You're not supposed to be able to just run and jump everywhere like in an arena shooter; that's the principle that distinguished CS in the beginning. That's why bunnyhopping was never a feature, but rather an exploit that some players used to gain an unfair advantage.

I'm glad they've added this new cvar and made it easy to filter out servers that leave it enabled. This is good news to me.

JN_Fenrir
lol you just like consoilzed games.where movement is simple and anyone can do it. What made CSS different in bunnyhopping, was 95% of people could NOT do it. Not like COD1 where anyone could just tap space and then prone and then repeat. Here is the video guys, wait till processing I suppose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppi81LvAXNc
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#16 KLONE360
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Seen the vid. I didnt even know you could do that. Seems kinda cheap though like a speed hack thats fair or something. But what makes me even more angry is they stopped me from mic spamming with HLSS in TF2!
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#17 KHAndAnime
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Looks like it's not nearly as effective as it used to be. It has no importance so I don't really see the big deal.
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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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Seen the vid. I didnt even know you could do that. Seems kinda cheap though like a speed hack thats fair or something. But what makes me even more angry is they stopped me from mic spamming with HLSS in TF2!KLONE360
You can't shoot properly in mid air, what I do is crouch spray right after, works well.... or atleast worekd well.
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#19 KG86
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If you want to bunny hop go play in some bhop servers. It has no place in regular games in my opinion.

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#20 Rob_101
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What? The way I understand it is when they did the big update to CSS a few months back, bringing it to the most current source engine (TF2 engine), it added bunnyhopping (due to the new physics). So now in this latest update, they added the option of turning it off - bringing css back to pre-tf2 engine update... correct?

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#21 JN_Fenrir
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[QUOTE="JN_Fenrir"]

I'm sorry, but bunnyhopping is and always has been downright stupid. The whole hook of CS is that you're supposed to control your movement and firing in order to promote accuracy. You're not supposed to be able to just run and jump everywhere like in an arena shooter; that's the principle that distinguished CS in the beginning. That's why bunnyhopping was never a feature, but rather an exploit that some players used to gain an unfair advantage.

I'm glad they've added this new cvar and made it easy to filter out servers that leave it enabled. This is good news to me.

JigglyWiggly_
lol you just like consoilzed games.where movement is simple and anyone can do it. What made CSS different in bunnyhopping, was 95% of people could NOT do it. Not like COD1 where anyone could just tap space and then prone and then repeat.

I'm afraid you've figured me all wrong. I've been playing online FPSs since the days of Doom over dial-up. I grew up with arena shooters like Quake and Unreal, and I played the very first CS beta on the day it was released back in 1999. Trust me, I know a thing or two about bunnyhopping and the nuances of movement control. Counter-Strike is the game that really broke the arena shooter convention by marrying weapon accuracy to player movement, thus forcing players to slow down and think more tactically. What made it different was that you weren't supposed to run and jump around everywhere. The reason 95% of people can't bunnyhop is because 100% of people aren't supposed to. Again, it's an exploit. That's why Valve has tried several times to fix it. I guess this latest update is their way of conceding with the raging minority of players who can't handle playing the game without it. Since you say this has "ruined" the game, I have to ask, is bunnyhopping really that critical for you? Do you really need to rely on an exploit to win? If so, where's the skill in that?
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#22 JigglyWiggly_
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Huh? I don't NEED it, it helps ofc, you can't kill while hopping, but you can sure as hell get outa a tight position. CSS is not a tactical game at all, and they were only pressured to fix this after 6 years because of noobs who whine(you included it seems). I toally pwn at CSS, with sexy KDs. To Rob_101 it was there since 2004. They changed it NOW. How can you change a big game mechanic like that 6 years after it being released?
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#23 shakmaster13
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If they're getting rid of bunny hopping they HAVE TO nerf the AWP somehow.
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#24 JigglyWiggly_
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If they're getting rid of bunny hopping they HAVE TO nerf the AWP somehow.shakmaster13
Oh yeah that reminds me... bunny hopping was always really nice to have when you're corned and an awper is just waiting there. I hate awpers :P You could even knife them before if you got lucky.
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#25 JN_Fenrir
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CSS is not a tactical game at allJigglyWiggly_
And that's where I stop listening. I'm sorry I questioned your totally legitimate "pwning" skills and "sexy KDs". Which Valve just patched out of the game. :lol:
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#26 KLONE360
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]CSS is not a tactical game at allJN_Fenrir
And that's where I stop listening. I'm sorry I questioned your totally legitimate "pwning" skills and "sexy KDs". Which Valve just patched out of the game. :lol:

*tisk *tisk If you think CSS is tactical then whats not tactical to you? If your not listening. Did you really need to comment that your not listening. It seems you are listening. Oh and nice PC.
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#27 Pvt_r3d
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I don't see how bunny hoping would add anything positive to the game so I'm glad they at least somewhat removed it.
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#28 FadeToBlack90
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Eh...so go play ut. Hardly ever saw anyone do it anyway.

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#29 shakmaster13
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I don't see how bunny hoping would add anything positive to the game so I'm glad they at least somewhat removed it.Pvt_r3d
Good way to evade awpers.
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#30 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]CSS is not a tactical game at allJN_Fenrir
And that's where I stop listening. I'm sorry I questioned your totally legitimate "pwning" skills and "sexy KDs". Which Valve just patched out of the game. :lol:

How do u get kills by bunny hopping? Do I jump on people's head and curb stomp their face? And CSS IS NOT TACTICAL AT ALL.
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#31 Pvt_r3d
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[QUOTE="Pvt_r3d"]I don't see how bunny hoping would add anything positive to the game so I'm glad they at least somewhat removed it.shakmaster13
Good way to evade awpers.

Oh, I thought the TC is talking about constantly jumping to one corner of the map to the other. I have no problem with strafe jumping.
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#32 Jackboot343
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I was pretty sure it was ruined far before yesterday.

I'm just waiting for the next installment in the CS franchise. Maybe then Valve will get it right. Fix the glitches, the reg, VAC, etc. Actually update the game with more player models, weapons/customization/modification, maps, and game modes. Prone/Lean? Vehicles? Simultaneous deaths? Remove or utilize night vision? User friendly map creator? :?

I wish Valve would put more effort into the series rather than rely wholly on the modding community. Maybe I just need to move onto a different modern fps. :(

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#33 Daytona_178
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So let me get this right,,,in CS you can jump and zig zag and then you get a huge speed boost?

That sounds like a glitch to me :/

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#34 Sacif
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Leave CSS alone valve jesus. KLONE360

Valve Jesus..like the regular Jesus, but with a valve.

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#35 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="KLONE360"] Leave CSS alone valve jesus. Sacif

Valve Jesus..like the regular Jesus, but with a valve.

LOL
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#36 JN_Fenrir
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*tisk *tisk If you think CSS is tactical then whats not tactical to you? If your not listening. Did you really need to comment that your not listening. It seems you are listening. Oh and nice PC.KLONE360
Thanks for the compliments on the PC, and back at you! It's nice to be able to say from experience that one definitely need not break the bank in order to get killer gaming performance, ay? The Athlon II is a beast, I love this chip. My original plan was to OC it to 3GHz, but I've been so satisfied with it at stock, I figure why increase TDP? Anyway... As far as the term "tactical" goes, I'm not saying that CS is Ghost Recon or anything, but it's not a guns-blazing, over-the-top arena FPS either. It's certainly a game of tactics, however: covering and suppressing fire, angles and corners, creating chokepoints with specialty grenades, etc.. I would argue that if you don't think CS is tactical, then maybe you haven't played it with the right people. ;) I really stopped listening because Mr. "Sexy KDs" over there decided that the best counter-point he could come up with was to call me a "noob" and try to insult me by using the "console" argument (which is itself so stupid that it's not even worth bringing up), and generally failed to present me with any legitimate arguments to which I could reply. And I've been gaming online long enough to know that arguing with the "1337" crowd is just as stupid as being one of them. So I threw in the towel. Anyway, my original point was that bunnyhopping in CS is nothing more than a cheat, and it's at least as ridiculous as it would be in COD, Battlefield, R6, or any other tactical (I know, there's that word again) quasi-realistic FPS. It's a cheat that lets you cover the map more quickly, which provides you with an unfair offensive advantage by allowing you faster access to key vantage points, thus disrupting the entire strategic balance of the game. Or, if you're bunnyhopping to get yourself out of a hairy situation, then I would argue that perhaps you should have had the forethought not to get yourself into it in the first place, rather than just relying on an exploit as a remedy to bad judgment. Maybe even plan ahead a little, perhaps? Besides, bunnyhopping just looks stupid. Really stupid. Personal opinion, of course. All that said, it's pretty clear how divisive the issue is, so I guess we should just be glad that now, 'hoppers and non-hoppers can all rejoice in the fact that we no longer have to put up with each other's tastes in-game. :lol:
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#37 JangoWuzHere
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Good..bunny hopping doesen't fit it in CS:S at all. And if you are complaing about "pro" gameplay. Why don't you go play the orignal counter strike?

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#38 coreybg
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Bhoping is nice, but I can't bhop on normal servers because of the settings.

It's very useful in surf and bhop(obviously) maps though :P

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#39 Vfanek
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Funny the "pro" OP is complaining, yet the best players don't bloody bunnyhop. Getting a good k/d playing pubs isn't impressive at all OP, sorry to say.
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#40 DanielDust
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Funny the "pro" OP is complaining, yet the best players don't bloody bunnyhop. Getting a good k/d playing pubs isn't impressive at all OP, sorry to say.Vfanek
Well obviously, since they're just the best, but he's pro :P, how can pro people avoid bullets if they don't fly through the map?

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#41 edinsftw
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basically hes pissed off cuz he cant exploit it anymore...lol

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#42 JigglyWiggly_
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So let me get this right,,,in CS you can jump and zig zag and then you get a huge speed boost?

That sounds like a glitch to me :/

Daytona_178

Not even close... go ahead and try with sv_enablebunnyhopping 1

BTW I am loling at all the noobs, it's like people who are complaining about bunny hopping all have cruddy KDz, all my friends, and old cal-m partners are deeply saddened.

I don't know any good CSS players who are happy about this, NOT 1.

Only people who have 1:1 kds or lower are cryin.

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#43 edinsftw
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

So let me get this right,,,in CS you can jump and zig zag and then you get a huge speed boost?

That sounds like a glitch to me :/

JigglyWiggly_

Not even close... go ahead and try with sv_enablebunnyhopping 1

BTW I am loling at all the noobs, it's like people who are complaining about bunny hopping all have cruddy KDz, all my friends, and old cal-m partners are deeply saddened.

I don't know any good CSS players who are happy about this, NOT 1.

Only people who have 1:1 kds or lower are cryin.

Im good at css, but its just kinda meh for me...it doesnt ruin anything so im fine with it. It was fun on the game servers tho.

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#44 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

So let me get this right,,,in CS you can jump and zig zag and then you get a huge speed boost?

That sounds like a glitch to me :/

JigglyWiggly_

Not even close... go ahead and try with sv_enablebunnyhopping 1

BTW I am loling at all the noobs, it's like people who are complaining about bunny hopping all have cruddy KDz, all my friends, and old cal-m partners are deeply saddened.

I don't know any good CSS players who are happy about this, NOT 1.

Only people who have 1:1 kds or lower are cryin.

That's because you're so pro you only have "good" friends at the game ;) and about crying, are you so bad? were those screenshots in the last bragging thread flukes? because I know you were talking about bhoppers when you said crying, the ones that don't care/consider it an exploit are laughing.

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#45 JigglyWiggly_
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Wat Flukes? HOW DO YOU KILL 14-0 ppl as a fluke? Yeah, and in some of those pics, I didn't even know how to bunnyhop, I learned it recently... Just before the update. Oh and the people who are laughing are toal noobs, my server is up if anyone wants to play the awesome me.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197965

This is my server, I can't post the game monitor link because gamespot can't handle semicolons with numbers...

http://bit.ly/c0olKM

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#46 KHAndAnime
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14-0 isn't hard. 25+ is braggable.
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#47 JigglyWiggly_
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O rly, well whatever check my last game's stats http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197965124513/stats/CS:S?tab=stats&subtab=lastmatch

Though they were toal noobs, and I was knifing quite a lot.

Also I will even say KD isn't everything, it's easy to get a nice KD if you bait your whole team, but if you rush like a man it ruins your KD fast, which is why I mix and match.

PLAY ME

Except later today, it's 5:16 am.

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#48 Treflis
Member since 2004 • 13757 Posts
If you only played the game to do bunny hops then you need something else to do.
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#49 DanielDust
Member since 2007 • 15402 Posts
Yep you do have the stats of a pro....lol what a joke. Rounds Played 2,326 Kills 2,587 Decals Sprayed: 709 If you're going to brag so much on a public forum, at least make sure you have some amazing stats first, the only pro thing you're doing is spraying like crazy, but that's the pro wannabe way of doing things. Stick to KF bragging, it works best if you're not trying to make people laugh.
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#50 Daytona_178
Member since 2005 • 14962 Posts

Wow, stuff gets serious in CSS topics :|