Wait till October to buy a new computer?

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#1 FlyingArmbar
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It seems like big things are about to happen in the PC world.

Windows 7 is set to be released in October, and many believe that DirectX 11 will be as well.

I'm interested in building a new PC, but wondering whether or not I should hold off until October.

If I purchased a PC now, I would probably buy a more affordable video card, and then upgrade after the DX11 cards come out and the current cards drop in price.

I also wouldn't have to waste money on Vista, and could purchase the superior (by all accounts) Windows 7.

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#2 JigglyWiggly_
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I'd say wait, Ati's gpu should come around October.
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#3 FlyingArmbar
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I'd say wait, Ati's gpu should come around October.JigglyWiggly_

The idea being to wait for the price drops on current cards, right? The new ones are going to be very expensive I would imagine?

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#4 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]I'd say wait, Ati's gpu should come around October.FlyingArmbar

The idea being to wait for the price drops on current cards, right? The new ones are going to be very expensive I would imagine?

Well, it's ATI, so they probably will have some nice midrange beasts.
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#5 IvanElk
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I'd say wait, Ati's gpu should come around October.JigglyWiggly_
That is not confirmed and it will be about a year after DX11 is released that any game will actually use it. Buy a 4890 over clock it to a 1ghz you will be set for a good 2 years. I wouldn't worry now is fine. All of it will be insanely expensive when it first comes out anyway.
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#6 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]I'd say wait, Ati's gpu should come around October.IvanElk
That is not confirmed and it will be about a year after DX11 is released that any game will actually use it. Buy a 4890 over clock it to a 1ghz you will be set for a good 2 years. I wouldn't worry now is fine. All of it will be insanely expensive when it first comes out anyway.

First off, they probably will. Second off: Dirt2. Oh and BTW, it almost never, makes sense to buy old technology, that's like saying JigglyWiggly, In 2006, you should just get a high end AMD, and not spend 1000$ on your qx6700 which is still a beast up to this day :roll:

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#7 theragu40
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I completely disagree. It very often makes sense to buy old-ER technology when you do not have the means to buy the latest and greatest. My 4850 is old by graphics card standards...but I suspect most people would be plenty happy with it as their card if they bought it today.
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#8 JigglyWiggly_
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I completely disagree. It very often makes sense to buy old-ER technology when you do not have the means to buy the latest and greatest. My 4850 is old by graphics card standards...but I suspect most people would be plenty happy with it as their card if they bought it today.theragu40
It's not old? It's in the 4x series. I still run a 3 series, (3870x2 + 3870)crossfire + x1550(third display). I mean why not wait? You will get better performance, and even if they are not a jump in performance(which they are), the current ones will be cheaper.

Also how do you know the mid range ones won't be cheap? You guys keep assuming such things.

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#9 Kurushio
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There is always a trade off of if you wait you can get the newest stuff or the stuff now will get cheaper but the problem is that something new is always going to come out. Really i would just build it now and i would also get the Win7 RC and that would be one of the things to buy in Oct. The one problem is that if you do not have a decent card you can subplant till the DX11 cards come out then you would need to make a choice. I built mine a couple of months ago and i just moved my 88GT to this rig and i think i can wait till DX11 comes out or even wait till 2nd gen if i need to. I also watched alot of parts i wanted and when i saw they were on sale i bought them so within a couple of months i got the best parts i could at the best prices.
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#10 theragu40
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1) I did not say that the midrange cards won't be cheaper. They probably will be. 2) I did not say that he should not wait to buy his stuff. 3) The 4850 came out almost exactly one year ago. One year old is ancient in computer terms. Many available cards surpass it. 4) You are advocating the exact same thing I am advocating. You are saying he could buy a current gen card once the new ones come out. That is buying older hardware, and that is exactly what I am suggesting.
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#11 JigglyWiggly_
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1) I did not say that the midrange cards won't be cheaper. They probably will be. 2) I did not say that he should not wait to buy his stuff. 3) The 4850 came out almost exactly one year ago. One year old is ancient in computer terms. Many available cards surpass it. 4) You are advocating the exact same thing I am advocating. You are saying he could buy a current gen card once the new ones come out. That is buying older hardware, and that is exactly what I am suggesting.theragu40

I completely disagree

That is basically suggesting that he buys one now, since you are disagreeing with everything I am saying :roll:. Also there hasn't been much of a performance change since the 8800gtx-ultra to now in terms of graphics hardware wise in performance, it's just that graphics cards have gotten a lot cheaper.

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#12 powerslide67
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i have the same dilemma, i don't know if i should wait and get a 5850 (or 5870) or get another 4850 and crossfire.....but i think i'll wait just to see the difference in performance. The 4850 is more powerful than the 3850x2 so in theory the 5850 should be more powerful than 2 4850 in crossfire....

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#13 FlyingArmbar
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I'm still on the fence with this. I could buy a new computer and use my old GPU to play games that I already own for the first couple months. The high end cards should be much more affordable around february.

I guess I can stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out. Which brings me to ask, I know that if you buy a copy of Vista at this time, you can upgrade to Windows 7 for free when it's released in october. But if I'm not mistaken, this only applies to prebuilt computers from certain companies?

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#14 theragu40
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[QUOTE="theragu40"]1) I did not say that the midrange cards won't be cheaper. They probably will be. 2) I did not say that he should not wait to buy his stuff. 3) The 4850 came out almost exactly one year ago. One year old is ancient in computer terms. Many available cards surpass it. 4) You are advocating the exact same thing I am advocating. You are saying he could buy a current gen card once the new ones come out. That is buying older hardware, and that is exactly what I am suggesting.JigglyWiggly_

I completely disagree

That is basically suggesting that he buys one now, since you are disagreeing with everything I am saying :roll:. Also there hasn't been much of a performance change since the 8800gtx-ultra to now in terms of graphics hardware wise in performance, it's just that graphics cards have gotten a lot cheaper.

Ok. I'm not trying to fight you, but listen to what you are saying. You said that it never makes sense to buy old technology. I said I completely disagree with that. Then you tell me that you think buying last gen's hardware is a good idea once new stuff comes out, because it is cheaper. I explain that this is exactly what I am trying to say. Then you claim that there has been no performance gains since the 8800GTX Ultra, which is a ridiculous fallacy. The 9x series of cards was of course a joke, but the mid to upper range of the GTX series of cards trashes anything from the previous two series.
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#15 theragu40
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I'm still on the fence with this. I could buy a new computer and use my old GPU to play games that I already own for the first couple months. The high end cards should be much more affordable around february.

I guess I can stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out. Which brings me to ask, I know that if you buy a copy of Vista at this time, you can upgrade to Windows 7 for free when it's released in october. But if I'm not mistaken, this only applies to prebuilt computers from certain companies?

FlyingArmbar
As far as I know, that is true, yes. The upgrade thing only works through OEM companies.
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I'm still on the fence with this. I could buy a new computer and use my old GPU to play games that I already own for the first couple months. The high end cards should be much more affordable around february.

I guess I can stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out. Which brings me to ask, I know that if you buy a copy of Vista at this time, you can upgrade to Windows 7 for free when it's released in october. But if I'm not mistaken, this only applies to prebuilt computers from certain companies?

FlyingArmbar

Nope you can buy windows vista oem with the free upgrade coupon here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116677

Though they did raise the price $10 as soon as it included the free coupon lol.

Also I'm waiting till october for my build b/c 1. Windows 7 2. Graphic card prices drops 3. Intel will come out with i5 and eventually i3 basically all the quads and core 2 duo will be rebranded.

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If you're that indecisive about buying parts now, your system must be in good enough shape that you can wait 4 more months for Windows 7 and new hardware to come out.

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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="theragu40"]1) I did not say that the midrange cards won't be cheaper. They probably will be. 2) I did not say that he should not wait to buy his stuff. 3) The 4850 came out almost exactly one year ago. One year old is ancient in computer terms. Many available cards surpass it. 4) You are advocating the exact same thing I am advocating. You are saying he could buy a current gen card once the new ones come out. That is buying older hardware, and that is exactly what I am suggesting.theragu40

I completely disagree

That is basically suggesting that he buys one now, since you are disagreeing with everything I am saying :roll:. Also there hasn't been much of a performance change since the 8800gtx-ultra to now in terms of graphics hardware wise in performance, it's just that graphics cards have gotten a lot cheaper.

Ok. I'm not trying to fight you, but listen to what you are saying. You said that it never makes sense to buy old technology. I said I completely disagree with that. Then you tell me that you think buying last gen's hardware is a good idea once new stuff comes out, because it is cheaper. I explain that this is exactly what I am trying to say. Then you claim that there has been no performance gains since the 8800GTX Ultra, which is a ridiculous fallacy. The 9x series of cards was of course a joke, but the mid to upper range of the GTX series of cards trashes anything from the previous two series.

We must be thinking differently, as in to avoid a conflict about the previous(even though I was saying buying new technology is always the better idea, if it fails miserably get the old one for cheap) but I must discuss about the latter. It's true compare an 8800ultra to a 4890, the difference will be there, but it's not nearly as big as it should be. It's been what 3 years or something?

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#19 FlyingArmbar
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If you're that indecisive about buying parts now, your system must be in good enough shape that you can wait 4 more months for Windows 7 and new hardware to come out.

chefkw

Actually, my PC crashes everytime I try to play a game, even after reformatting (so it must be a hardware problem).

My hardware isn't good, it's just that I've had this computer for 3 and half years, and I have no problem waiting another 3 and half - 4 months.

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Waiting for the new tech to come out is a never ending game. You have to jump in and buy eventually and as soon as you do your hardware is outdated whether you waited or not. I would get the W7 beta from MS and use it until the retail version hits the shelves. You'll have enjoyed your new PC for three months or so in the meantime.
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#21 SinfulPotato
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Buying hardware that just hit shelves seems like a waste to me.. I'm betting a HUGE number of people are still using their 8800GT and will still use if for a year or two. There is no real need to upgrade. Nothing is going to be unplayable on that 8800GT or even bearly playable. Every game out on the market that is worth two cents is playable at high settings. Why fix what isn't broken? That extra money can be spend on things like.... games??
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1) I did not say that the midrange cards won't be cheaper. They probably will be. 2) I did not say that he should not wait to buy his stuff. 3) The 4850 came out almost exactly one year ago. One year old is ancient in computer terms. Many available cards surpass it. 4) You are advocating the exact same thing I am advocating. You are saying he could buy a current gen card once the new ones come out. That is buying older hardware, and that is exactly what I am suggesting.theragu40
I baught my 8800GT its almost 2 Years old got it first day release $259.99 newegg that was considered high range card back in the day you wanna talk about buying old tech buy what isnt the latest but buy the best performance/price ratio that will give you the best thats what happened with the 8800gt people are still maxing out with this card
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#23 bunny569
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Waiting for the new tech to come out is a never ending game. You have to jump in and buy eventually and as soon as you do your hardware is outdated whether you waited or not. I would get the W7 beta from MS and use it until the retail version hits the shelves. You'll have enjoyed your new PC for three months or so in the meantime.Bane_v2
thats not the problem the problem is why spend $200 now when in 3-4 months later you could have something 2x more powerful for the same price? its like those of us who skipped the 8800gts for a 8800gt, for same price you got something much more powerful, was it worth the wait? yes look at it people still use the card to this day and many of them not even concidered to upgrade for another year or so becuase it still maxes out on a lot of games
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#24 theragu40
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[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]Waiting for the new tech to come out is a never ending game. You have to jump in and buy eventually and as soon as you do your hardware is outdated whether you waited or not. I would get the W7 beta from MS and use it until the retail version hits the shelves. You'll have enjoyed your new PC for three months or so in the meantime.bunny569
thats not the problem the problem is why spend $200 now when in 3-4 months later you could have something 2x more powerful for the same price? its like those of us who skipped the 8800gts for a 8800gt, for same price you got something much more powerful, was it worth the wait? yes look at it people still use the card to this day and many of them not even concidered to upgrade for another year or so becuase it still maxes out on a lot of games

I agree with your argument...but the GTS is a better card than the GT.