What do you think about games nowadays ?

I made this thread because i for one feel like the games today are made just to be made and i was wondering if i`m paranoid or if there are other people that feel that games have lost their substance. That they have become pretty graphics and cinematics and no challenge

[QUOTE="penorburger"]

One word: CONSOLES Games are now made with the mainstream gamer in mind, thus losing complexity, depth. The only challenging games left are PC only games like stalker, ARMA II, Strategy games, luckily mods also help. games are simp,y a walk in the park and require little to no thought. Games are made with the lowest common denominator in mind.

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My friend , you hit the nail on the head ... consoles are good , they always delivered fun action games and fun beat-em-up games but i never expected them to ruin the rest of the industry this bad with this "lets make games for the general population who needs a compass and a talking guide to get from point A to point B"

Wow tats your 1st post... ;)

Games available today are much easier then it was 3-4 years ago but still so much has improved so its really fun to play new games...

[QUOTE="penorburger"]One word: CONSOLES Games are now made with the mainstream gamer in mind, thus losing complexity, depth. The only challenging games left are PC only games like stalker, ARMA II, Strategy games, luckily mods also help. games are simp,y a walk in the park and require little to no thought. Games are made with the lowest common denominator in mind.[/QUOTE

My friend , you hit the nail on the head ... consoles are good , they always delivered fun action games and fun beat-em-up games but i never expected them to ruin the rest of the industry this bad with this "lets make games for the general population who needs a compass and a talking guide to get from point A to point B"

I made this thread because i for one feel like the games today are made just to be made and i was wondering if i`m paranoid or if there are other people that feel that games have lost their substance. That they have become pretty graphics and cinematics and no challenge

ddeputatu1

I agree with this

One word: CONSOLES Games are now made with the mainstream gamer in mind, thus losing complexity, depth. The only challenging games left are PC only games like stalker, ARMA II, Strategy games, luckily mods also help. games are simp,y a walk in the park and require little to no thought. Games are made with the lowest common denominator in mind.penorburger

this

My friend , you hit the nail on the head ... consoles are good , they always delivered fun action games and fun beat-em-up games but i never expected them to ruin the rest of the industry this bad with this "lets make games for the general population who needs a compass and a talking guide to get from point A to point B"

ddeputatu1

and this.

Games have become simplified and dumbed down due to consoles. The only games with any amount of substance left (PC exclusives) are rare. I'm mostly sticking to the old games if the situation doesn't improve.

Games are a form of entertainment. People who look at past titles and think they can't get any better are wrong. We have much more technology which allows us to make games that the past couldn't make or imagine. Even though Madden is a top seller, being the same game every year on consoles, doesn't mean every game is like that. As long as games continue to entertain, there is no reason to say they are getting worse. I see alot of great PC titles in the furture.

I`m curious , in your opinion as a gamer , what has improved ? ddeputatu1

I (for one) do not blame consoles for the demise. While I certainly have lost considerable faith in the current generation of gaming, I choose to blame the high development costs these days. Now that the publishers are all rich, they put a lot of resources into the making of one game. Making a game is kind of like gambling, you don't know whether or not you've hit the formula. Since the publishers are putting so much money into the developers, of course they are going to want to do something that is more likely to succeed. More likely to succeed usually means "more of the same crap" to the publishers, and they constantly prove themselves correct with their sales. Since they want to reach a broader audience, they try to make the game more casual in difficulty while maintaining an air of hardcore. In fact, I would attribute the current lack of deep games to the rise of consoles, and not the rise of consoles to the lack of deep games. Since consoles make it so much easier and cheaper for developers to develop a game (standard platform, DRM-in-a-box, broad audience), the publishers would naturally push the developer to develop a game on the console and save their money.

As for me, I'm sticking to oldies nowadays. Maybe I'll venture a new game here or there, but definitely buying older games thanks to Steam and GOG.com.

Gameplay,graphics...also there is a lot of improvement in online games and RPG's

First of all i want you to understand that i`m not starting beef with my next question .

pvtdonut54 you say that we can make games that the past never imagine , true u can make a tree look like a tree ... a rock fall like a rock ; a person move like an actual person but when u talk about content i see only biassed stuff (not in every game , there are some that are still ok now and then )

I would like to ask you what exactly are you expecting from let`s say : Diablo 3 , since blizzard announce that characters will be auto-stat (aka u and the rest of the individuals that have no ideea about distributing points will have the same toon at the same lvl , also Bye bye pve / pvp d2 builds)

And also about blaming consoles , ofc they are not to be fully blamed but they play their part well in degrading stuff:(

Ow and in accordance to homie i would like to add that alot of people (check bnet and garena ) still play games like warcraft 3 and diablo 2 which lets face it in terms of "new age improvements " are left behind by a longshot and they still kick ass

The old days of games were far superior. Gone are the days when you could just install a game and play it and enjoy it. Now when you purchase a game you may end up spending hours trying to get it to function with your hardware, Which has taken alot of the fun out of it for me. I don't want to spend time trying to get a piece of softare to work, or having to wait for patch after patch after patch for things that should have been fixed before it was released.With the advancements of hardware it has become increasingly difficult for developers to write a stable, functioning out of the box game. Also story lines have become boring and short. Developers nowdays can not hold a candle to the developers who were producing games in the late 80's and 90's. They have become lazy and unimaginative. Rehashing the same old game, no fresh ideas with the attitude that if it looks good it will sell. And selling after all is the bottom line. Pirates are not killing the gaming industry on PC's......It is the Hardware Manufacturers and Software developers themselves who are doing it with their shoddy work. I have been part of the computer industry since 1984 and have seen the changes and I am not impressed.

The old days of games were far superior. Gone are the days when you could just install a game and play it and enjoy it. Now when you purchase a game you may end up spending hours trying to get it to function with your hardware, Which has taken alot of the fun out of it for me. I don't want to spend time trying to get a piece of softare to work, or having to wait for patch after patch after patch for things that should have been fixed before it was released.With the advancements of hardware it has become increasingly difficult for developers to write a stable, functioning out of the box game. Also story lines have become boring and short. Developers nowdays can not hold a candle to the developers who were producing games in the late 80's and 90's. They have become lazy and unimaginative. Rehashing the same old game, no fresh ideas with the attitude that if it looks good it will sell. And selling after all is the bottom line. Pirates are not killing the gaming industry on PC's......It is the Hardware Manufacturers and Software developers themselves who are doing it with their shoddy work. I have been part of the computer industry since 1984 and have seen the changes and I am not impressed.

MrUnSavory1

+1 to that . every new game that is being launched comes with the latest graphic card or sth like that as a request to run it in full capacity (well not that exagerated as i put it but almost :) )

I can REALLY relate to what people say in this thread... Altho I do think the consoles has a part to play, I also think it is a generation thing.

Games today has eliminated all thought process in favor of colorful explosions.

I dislike the handholding and lack of "intelligent" diffeculties in games in general these days, you never have to think, you are basicly always told what to do, and how to react to a situation as soon as you enter.

I like the games of old, the complex ones, where you need to think, I enjoyied the slower pace in alot of games (rpgs in perticular).

I like how you sometime had to take a break from the game, to think the information you got through.

I liked the "learn or lose" mentality...

Nowadays the newer kind of gamers complain if they have to think just a little bit, if the game aint non stop action, it is almost certainly a failure.

Example: Fallout 3, you are pointed to the area, and the person you need to talk to, you are TOLD what to do, you basicly just have to do it. No thought process whatsoever.

The general setting in games nowadays has taken a beating aswell, they does not seem as well thought out as it used to... In older games the settings has thier own stories to tell, you really felt drawn in, and you wanted to know as much as you could about the world, because they were freakin awesome

I miss the old games... also how interactive they were in comparasin, how you could flip switches and so on, they were not part of the game, but there to make the worlds seem more complete.

The old days of games were far superior. Gone are the days when you could just install a game and play it and enjoy it. Now when you purchase a game you may end up spending hours trying to get it to function with your hardware, Which has taken alot of the fun out of it for me. I don't want to spend time trying to get a piece of softare to work, or having to wait for patch after patch after patch for things that should have been fixed before it was released.With the advancements of hardware it has become increasingly difficult for developers to write a stable, functioning out of the box game. Also story lines have become boring and short. Developers nowdays can not hold a candle to the developers who were producing games in the late 80's and 90's. They have become lazy and unimaginative. Rehashing the same old game, no fresh ideas with the attitude that if it looks good it will sell. And selling after all is the bottom line. Pirates are not killing the gaming industry on PC's......It is the Hardware Manufacturers and Software developers themselves who are doing it with their shoddy work. I have been part of the computer industry since 1984 and have seen the changes and I am not impressed.

MrUnSavory1

Although I agree with most of your post, I have to say that getting games to run - at least in the DOS era, could sometimes be a major pain in the ***. Soundcard configurations, getting memory free etc. were horrible, and since there were a lot of different sound cards, graphics cards and hardware, you'd sometimes find that a certain game wouldn't work on your PC.

With that said, I agree with you that developers are getting lazier, don't want to try new stuff and would rather just make sequels and rehashes. They just lack the ambition that the devs had in 80's and 90's.

Edit: I also fully agree with the post above me.

[QUOTE="MrUnSavory1"]

The old days of games were far superior. Gone are the days when you could just install a game and play it and enjoy it. Now when you purchase a game you may end up spending hours trying to get it to function with your hardware, Which has taken alot of the fun out of it for me. I don't want to spend time trying to get a piece of softare to work, or having to wait for patch after patch after patch for things that should have been fixed before it was released.With the advancements of hardware it has become increasingly difficult for developers to write a stable, functioning out of the box game. Also story lines have become boring and short. Developers nowdays can not hold a candle to the developers who were producing games in the late 80's and 90's. They have become lazy and unimaginative. Rehashing the same old game, no fresh ideas with the attitude that if it looks good it will sell. And selling after all is the bottom line. Pirates are not killing the gaming industry on PC's......It is the Hardware Manufacturers and Software developers themselves who are doing it with their shoddy work. I have been part of the computer industry since 1984 and have seen the changes and I am not impressed.

+1 to that . every new game that is being launched comes with the latest graphic card or sth like that as a request to run it in full capacity (well not that exagerated as i put it but almost :) )

IMO I hate the regenerating health function in some games...it takes away the good old medkit hunting 8)

There's gotta be something else to talk about here....

I agree with most of what's been said.

Still, I'd suggest you guys remove the "lazy developers" and "PC games pirates" parts before dnuggs comes in here and starts whining about how hard do the developers work to deliver a game.

they work soo hard that most games have a 10h maximum lifespan until u either finish them or delete them because of their stupidity :)

Also for penoburger , who said this is BS . Yeah my friend , games work nowadays ... that`s about as much as u`d expect from them , nth else (ofc that`s when u don`t need 3 or 4 patches in order to play .Gothic 3 comes to mind as a good example )

Ow , i wouldn`t blame pirating that much either . Aside from the PS3 every console can be modded :D

I think most new games are trash. I don't blame consoles because that is just stupid; I blame people who buy these products and actively support it. When I was a kid it would take tries upon tries to finish a game like Half-Life (not 2; that one is stupid easy) on hardest or Doom 2 on Ultra-Violence.

What bugs me about games today though is the obvious being easy but also being short (5 hours for CoD4 campaign? Come on..), less quality is put into the product (bugs everywhere; 20 years ago a buggy release would have been mutilated in reviews and sales), emphasis on unimportant parts of the game (i.e graphics), and treating games like a product first and not art where you just shove a new one out every year for profit.

they work soo hard that most games have a 10h maximum lifespan until u either finish them or delete them because of their stupidity :)

Also for penoburger , who said this is BS . Yeah my friend , games work nowadays ... that`s about as much as u`d expect from them , nth else (ofc that`s when u don`t need 3 or 4 patches in order to play .Gothic 3 comes to mind as a good example )

Ow , i wouldn`t blame pirating that much either . Aside from the PS3 every console can be modded :D

[QUOTE="ddeputatu1"]

they work soo hard that most games have a 10h maximum lifespan until u either finish them or delete them because of their stupidity :)

Also for penoburger , who said this is BS . Yeah my friend , games work nowadays ... that`s about as much as u`d expect from them , nth else (ofc that`s when u don`t need 3 or 4 patches in order to play .Gothic 3 comes to mind as a good example )

Ow , i wouldn`t blame pirating that much either . Aside from the PS3 every console can be modded :D

penorburger

Clearly u didn`t understand that i am not arguing with you . Yes i didn`t play games from 80 - 90 .Afterall i was born in 88 but my point is that other then the fact that games work their complexity level is somewhat in the area of six feet under :(

OFC if u enjoy outstanding graphics , great physics and unchallenging games whatsoever then that is what you like and that is not the point of this thread .

I just wish there were more RPG games.

I just wish there were more RPG games.

--Anna--

Why wish for rpg games when u can play crysis 2 with the new astrophysycs video engine that will make trees wiggle when u run past them with your weapon armed ...