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#1 fr3ddiemercury
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Okay. I currently have AT&T U verse. 3 mb down/ less than 1 mb up. I am getting Comcast Extreme 50 installed monday. It is 50 mb down/ 10 up Will this make a big difference for online gaming? I mean for Xbox live purposes too, as its mostly p2p servers. Or does download speed not make much difference after 3 mb? Does upload effect anything? Also what is ping? Sorry, I just dont know jack about this stuff
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Your router definitly affects online gaming. I got roadrunner lightning installed (which is the fastest internet available through my provider) and my online gaming was terrible. It turned out the router model was incompatible with xbox 360, ps3 and some pc games (alot to do with bypassing different router settings, etc) became more hassle than it was worth so I bypassed it with a router I purchased and my speeds were amazing after. When the guy comes to install (or better yet call ahead of time) and ask them if the router being installed has any problems with online gaming.

o and also ping is an important factor. Ping is essentially the latency between your computer and the server (where to online game is being hosted). So if you have a high ping (higher is worst) your game will lag. If your dl/ul speeds are that high it stands to reason the internet service your upgrading to will also provide you with a low ping.

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For video gaming, it's about your ping and your upload speed. If your download speed is over 3 mb/s, you're fine.

Run this test and it will tell you how stable your connection is and what your ping is through your ISP to the nearest server they host.

If you have a lot of jitter in the line or a high ping, even a high speed internet is going to suck.

Also a good modem/router is a must. I suggest buying a modem instead of just renting one and then getting a good router. These aren't cheap btw, but they will work for a long time and improve your speeds, stability, and connection.

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Your router definitly affects online gaming. I got roadrunner lightning installed (which is the fastest internet available through my provider) and my online gaming was terrible. It turned out the router model was incompatible with xbox 360, ps3 and some pc games (alot to do with bypassing different router settings, etc) became more hassle than it was worth so I bypassed it with a router I purchased and my speeds were amazing after. When the guy comes to install (or better yet call ahead of time) and ask them if the router being installed has any problems with online gaming.

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What router should I buy? I will be using ethernet for com. and xbox, but still would like wifi option
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[QUOTE="cryfreedom66"]

Your router definitly affects online gaming. I got roadrunner lightning installed (which is the fastest internet available through my provider) and my online gaming was terrible. It turned out the router model was incompatible with xbox 360, ps3 and some pc games (alot to do with bypassing different router settings, etc) became more hassle than it was worth so I bypassed it with a router I purchased and my speeds were amazing after. When the guy comes to install (or better yet call ahead of time) and ask them if the router being installed has any problems with online gaming.

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What router should I buy? I will be using ethernet for com. and xbox, but still would like wifi option

Check to see if the comcast extreme 50 service provides a router (like when I upgraded to lightning they had to install a router that was wifi enabled). If it doesnt and you want to purchase a router I can really only recommend the one I bought which is the Netgear WNDR3800 (very fast, good range, easy setup).

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[QUOTE="cryfreedom66"]

Your router definitly affects online gaming. I got roadrunner lightning installed (which is the fastest internet available through my provider) and my online gaming was terrible. It turned out the router model was incompatible with xbox 360, ps3 and some pc games (alot to do with bypassing different router settings, etc) became more hassle than it was worth so I bypassed it with a router I purchased and my speeds were amazing after. When the guy comes to install (or better yet call ahead of time) and ask them if the router being installed has any problems with online gaming.

fr3ddiemercury

What router should I buy? I will be using ethernet for com. and xbox, but still would like wifi option

Try the Cisco/Linksys routers. We have the E3200 series, it is a wonderful router. Wi/fi covers all of our property, security easy to setup. No need to forward ports for xbox 360 etc, NAT already reads open.

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Bandwidth, is the most important followed, by the location of servers (in short, ping, the delay between server and your PC, further away = worse ping) Bandwidth grows larger with better infrastructure and technology (larger, but not WAY larger, for you as an individual), for example, you will have more bandwidth going from 3mb to let's say 10, since the infrastructure permits more data. Here's an example. An 8mb DSL connection gets you on a certain server around 60 ping. A broadband 50 mb or better, gets you on the same server 30 ms ping or even lower. That is possible because of bandwidth, but of course the download and upload speed is way, way, WAY faster. An example to better understand bandwidth. Let's say during Christmas, when everybody goes nuts over the internet with mails and such, the lines will be completely fully, but (not really the case with DSL, it does suffer from this but let's ignore that) you are still downloading at your usual speeds also uploading at about the same rate, however, ping goes higher, browsing in general is slower, buffering on youtube, etc. As for P2P, there is nothing to fix that, you are crippled by default, because the quality of your gaming does not depend on the distance from a certain server or your internet connection, it also depends on the person hosting that is not often optimally chosen to host and also the quality of their internet connection.
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For video gaming, it's about your ping and your upload speed. If your download speed is over 3 mb/s, you're fine.

Run this test and it will tell you how stable your connection is and what your ping is through your ISP to the nearest server they host.

If you have a lot of jitter in the line or a high ping, even a high speed internet is going to suck.

Also a good modem/router is a must. I suggest buying a modem instead of just renting one and then getting a good router. These aren't cheap btw, but they will work for a long time and improve your speeds, stability, and connection.

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Buy my own modem? The cable company supplies me with one, Is it not going to deliver the promised 50/10 or something?
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

For video gaming, it's about your ping and your upload speed. If your download speed is over 3 mb/s, you're fine.

Run this test and it will tell you how stable your connection is and what your ping is through your ISP to the nearest server they host.

If you have a lot of jitter in the line or a high ping, even a high speed internet is going to suck.

Also a good modem/router is a must. I suggest buying a modem instead of just renting one and then getting a good router. These aren't cheap btw, but they will work for a long time and improve your speeds, stability, and connection.

fr3ddiemercury

Buy my own modem? The cable company supplies me with one, Is it not going to deliver the promised 50/10 or something?

No, it will deliver the full speed. If you buy your own you won't have to rent one from the company and your monthly bill will lower.

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[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

For video gaming, it's about your ping and your upload speed. If your download speed is over 3 mb/s, you're fine.

Run this test and it will tell you how stable your connection is and what your ping is through your ISP to the nearest server they host.

If you have a lot of jitter in the line or a high ping, even a high speed internet is going to suck.

Also a good modem/router is a must. I suggest buying a modem instead of just renting one and then getting a good router. These aren't cheap btw, but they will work for a long time and improve your speeds, stability, and connection.

Wasdie

Buy my own modem? The cable company supplies me with one, Is it not going to deliver the promised 50/10 or something?

No, it will deliver the full speed. If you buy your own you won't have to rent one from the company and your monthly bill will lower.

This, I bought my own modem, basically same model they supplied. But I don't have to pay the (what use to be $3 ) but I think is a $6-$7 a month charge now.

For 50/10 the modem maybe higher price/quality than mine, which may resort in a higher renter's price.

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Bandwidth, is the most important followed, by the location of servers (in short, ping, the delay between server and your PC, further away = worse ping) Bandwidth grows larger with better infrastructure and technology (larger, but not WAY larger, for you as an individual), for example, you will have more bandwidth going from 3mb to let's say 10, since the infrastructure permits more data. Here's an example. An 8mb DSL connection gets you on a certain server around 60 ping. A broadband 50 mb or better, gets you on the same server 30 ms ping or even lower. That is possible because of bandwidth, but of course the download and upload speed is way, way, WAY faster. An example to better understand bandwidth. Let's say during Christmas, when everybody goes nuts over the internet with mails and such, the lines will be completely fully, but (not really the case with DSL, it does suffer from this but let's ignore that) you are still downloading at your usual speeds also uploading at about the same rate, however, ping goes higher, browsing in general is slower, buffering on youtube, etc. As for P2P, there is nothing to fix that, you are crippled by default, because the quality of your gaming does not depend on the distance from a certain server or your internet connection, it also depends on the person hosting that is not often optimally chosen to host and also the quality of their internet connection.

Interesting. What is the average internet speed for gamers anyways? Would the speed I am getting make me host a lot? A lot of people hog down p2p servers with their crap dsl. Thats one of the reasons I cannot stand dsl anymore. Also, cable companies are a rip off. This comcast costs 115 bucks for 50 down./ 10 up, yet Verizon Fios costs 55 dollars for 50 down/ 25 up. How are cable companies allowed to get away with that? Cannot wait until fios is available in my area....
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] Buy my own modem? The cable company supplies me with one, Is it not going to deliver the promised 50/10 or something? Lach0121

No, it will deliver the full speed. If you buy your own you won't have to rent one from the company and your monthly bill will lower.

This, I bought my own modem, basically same model they supplied. But I don't have to pay the (what use to be $3 ) but I think is a $6-$7 a month charge now.

For 50/10 the modem maybe higher price/quality than mine, which may resort in a higher renter's price.

They told me it was 7 bucks. I will buy my own soon, I dont like having used equipment and want my own anyways. Gonna have to get the router first though
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Comcast's 20 year contract with the city that I live in ends at the end of the year! (originally with Time Warner, but when Comcast acquired Time Warner, they got the contract too)

I am so happy about this.

I expect 2 main things to come of this.

1. Comcast tries everything in their power to retain customers. Comcast already dropped the 250gb a month bandwidth limit a few months ago, until further notice.

2. Competitors come in, and offer better services, or for better prices.

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Comcast's 20 year contract with the city that I live in ends at the end of the year! (originally with Time Warner, but when Comcast acquired Time Warner, they got the contract too)

I am so happy about this.

I expect 2 main things to come of this.

1. Comcast tries everything in their power to retain customers. Comcast already dropped the 250gb a month bandwidth limit a few months ago, until further notice.

2. Competitors come in, and offer better services, or for better prices.

Lach0121
It should against the law for any company to have "exclusive" rights for only them to be in a city. Its a monopoly. I cannot wait for Fios to keep gaining customers. They are going to bury these greedy cable companies. You pay half the amount of cable, for nearly double the performance. I am even thinking about moving to a city 30 minutes away in a couple months just to get Fios
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Comcast's 20 year contract with the city that I live in ends at the end of the year! (originally with Time Warner, but when Comcast acquired Time Warner, they got the contract too)

I am so happy about this.

I expect 2 main things to come of this.

1. Comcast tries everything in their power to retain customers. Comcast already dropped the 250gb a month bandwidth limit a few months ago, until further notice.

2. Competitors come in, and offer better services, or for better prices.

fr3ddiemercury

It should against the law for any company to have "exclusive" rights for only them to be in a city. Its a monopoly. I cannot wait for Fios to keep gaining customers. They are going to bury these greedy cable companies. You pay half the amount of cable, for nearly double the performance. I am even thinking about moving to a city 30 minutes away in a couple months just to get Fios

LOL we have boats here, (gambling boats) under the condition that they put money into the school system here. The boats are extremely profitable, yet we have some of the worst funded schools in the country. I am not even gonna get started on Law and corporate bias, and deals with the city.

But let me just say this. For Cable in our city, for about 20 years, only from this company (or the one they bought in that time period)

http://www.ktbs.com/news/Comcast-Contract-Expires/-/144844/16670930/-/uccyrz/-/index.html

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Ping is simply the measure of latency (in milliseconds) between you and the server you're connected to. If you're on fibre optic your ping will be ridiculously good. If you're on standard coaxial cable, your ping will be decent, but if you're on Satelitte, WiFi, 4G or anything else your ping will be sub par. Bandwidth doesn't have any effect on your ping.
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For video gaming, it's about your ping and your upload speed. If your download speed is over 3 mb/s, you're fine.

Run this test and it will tell you how stable your connection is and what your ping is through your ISP to the nearest server they host.

If you have a lot of jitter in the line or a high ping, even a high speed internet is going to suck.

Also a good modem/router is a must. I suggest buying a modem instead of just renting one and then getting a good router. These aren't cheap btw, but they will work for a long time and improve your speeds, stability, and connection.

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Yay I got an A. 32ms with 2ms jitter whatever that is!
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probably any broadband connection is fine for online gaming. The only thing you need worry about is the ping to the server. Lower is better.
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[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

For video gaming, it's about your ping and your upload speed. If your download speed is over 3 mb/s, you're fine.

Run this test and it will tell you how stable your connection is and what your ping is through your ISP to the nearest server they host.

If you have a lot of jitter in the line or a high ping, even a high speed internet is going to suck.

Also a good modem/router is a must. I suggest buying a modem instead of just renting one and then getting a good router. These aren't cheap btw, but they will work for a long time and improve your speeds, stability, and connection.

Wasdie

Buy my own modem? The cable company supplies me with one, Is it not going to deliver the promised 50/10 or something?

No, it will deliver the full speed. If you buy your own you won't have to rent one from the company and your monthly bill will lower.

Thats what I am going to do. They told me they can offer me a wifi gateway, I didn't know what that was, they said it is like a modem and router put together. Anyways, I told them that sounds fishy and I want them separate. Right decision? Also, my goal is to have online gaming as close to like LAN as possible, I am tired of my actions happening late in a game.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"] Buy my own modem? The cable company supplies me with one, Is it not going to deliver the promised 50/10 or something? fr3ddiemercury

No, it will deliver the full speed. If you buy your own you won't have to rent one from the company and your monthly bill will lower.

Thats what I am going to do. They told me they can offer me a wifi gateway, I didn't know what that was, they said it is like a modem and router put together. Anyways, I told them that sounds fishy and I want them separate. Right decision? Also, my goal is to have online gaming as close to like LAN as possible, I am tired of my actions happening late in a game.

It isn't a wrong decision.

I installed cable internet, and worked tech support for DSL, and I can tell you those Router/Modem combos were crap. Though this is back when they were using the 2-wire box. Those combos came with their own sets of problems.

I prefer modem and router separate.