What if digital distribution became the only method of buying PC games?

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#1 IceChipmunk
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Digital distribution seems to be gaining quite a lot of ground for various reasons where some stores (depending on which country) have very small, if any, PC gaming section. I understand the reasons why some people prefer boxed copies but how would PC gaming change for you if digital distribution became the only way to buy PC games?

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#2 simardbrad
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You lack an option: I would no longer buy PC Games

Doesn't mean I wouldn't stop playing them!

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#3 Baranga
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I'd make my own boxes.
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Digital distribution seems to be gaining quite a lot of ground for various reasons where some stores (depending on which country) have very small, if any, PC gaming section. I understand the reasons why some people prefer boxed copies but how would PC gaming change for you if digital distribution became the only way to buy PC games?

IceChipmunk

It will never happen for the same reason that people still buy movies and cd's. Talk to me again if they pass on the savings for digital copies on to the consumer. Cut the retailer, no shipping cost, and no packaging should easily drop prices by 50% if not more but that is not what we are seeing.

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#5 Krayzie_3334
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To be honest I wouldn't Mind if Pc gaming gone to DD only, After they stopped with the Big Cardboard Boxes that you could live in, with a few pieces of paper and the sleeve's the Disc's came in I pretty much Stopped Buying Games Retail,

Hell the last game I bought in-store was when GTA-SA first came out on PS2.

I mainly Only get games through DD, and for consoles - Gamefly.

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Edit: GTA-SA not VC. >_<

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#6 IceChipmunk
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[QUOTE="IceChipmunk"]

Digital distribution seems to be gaining quite a lot of ground for various reasons where some stores (depending on which country) have very small, if any, PC gaming section. I understand the reasons why some people prefer boxed copies but how would PC gaming change for you if digital distribution became the only way to buy PC games?

marc5477

It will never happen for the same reason that people still buy movies and cd's. Talk to me again if they pass on the savings for digital copies on to the consumer. Cut the retailer, no shipping cost, and no packaging should easily drop prices by 50% if not more but that is not what we are seeing.

That's fair enough and i'm not saying when it happens, just if it did happen what would people do.
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#7 Jinroh_basic
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most likely i would quit pc gaming for good.
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#8 dannyw7982
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I prefer to buy boxed games and support my local retailer that sells them whenever i can by actually travelling down to the store. I even make sure i get myself a boxed copy of most of my steam games most recently with left 4 dead which i bought from my local Game store.
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#9 Paper-Mario
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I would just pay&download from the internet. Its the same for me, but what if my hard drive dies? The games will be erased right :O?
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#10 Captain__Tripps
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I doubt id be interested. Maybe if we went back to $40 prices(or less), but that ain't happening.
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#11 flclempire
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Games will eventually be sold only in DD. Boxes may be specially ordered from gaming sites though, I suppose. Like special edition boxes, ect.
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#12 TeamR
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Things wouldn't change for me much.

I havent bought a boxed copy of anything in about 3 years and I havent been happier. I wish I could throw the boxed games I have now online so I could recycle all these archaic cardboard boxes, CDs and instuction manual. It feels like i'm back in the 90s whenever I look in my closet at my old collection.

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I would be less likely to buy PC games. I'm an instruction manual junkie. I don't buy a game (even used console games) if it doesn't include an instruction manual.
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Digital distribution seems to be gaining quite a lot of ground for various reasons where some stores (depending on which country) have very small, if any, PC gaming section. I understand the reasons why some people prefer boxed copies but how would PC gaming change for you if digital distribution became the only way to buy PC games?

IceChipmunk

I honestly dont remember the last time I bought a game in a store.

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It would mean some people would get off dialup and stop joining COD games with a ping of 400...
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#16 jimmyjammer69
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Fine if prices dropped substantially as a result. If I had to pay about the same while the publisher was saving so much on distribution and packaging, I don't think I'd bother.
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#17 blackdreamhunk
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It's going to be like theat for all ps4 games now. that is if there is another consoles. I don't think consoles will make throught the ression.As for dd only maybe in some places however boxed pc games will always be a seller. unless they come up with a system where you don't a creadit card or lose your games.also you would be able to have CE
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#18 Xefiroderc
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Move to Consoles, I know digital destribution has advantages, but I like boxes and manuals. Besides, I'm afraid my account might one day be hacked, and even with good costumer support there are always a few that get away.
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#19 naval
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Will not mind it even a bit
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#20 NSR34GTR
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i wont buy any
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#21 thusaha
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I'd move to console, I guess.
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I'd make my own boxes.Baranga

LOL You know, I've done that before :D

I like the slim standard DVD-size cases, so on some of the "wide-cased" games I've received, or newer ones that have arrived in a wide cardboard box for some reason (Trackmania United Forever for example), I created a case for them. Get some blank DVD cases, scan your box and resize, the "middle-section" of the cover may require the most attention since it's needs to be resized approximately in half in width and you don't want the text and images to appear distorted/stretched (can use an image editor here). Once all is done, viola, a very, very nice looking case!

Have you seen cases for Russian PC games? I don't know if it's like this all of the time (I don't think so, because I think many Russian PC games are still distributed in jewel cases), but I bought the Russian version of Dead Space PC (it has an English language option and no limited install DRM nonsense or server required). It arrived in a pretty cool case, it's like half as wide as standard DVD-size cases!

Anyway, to answer your question OP. I don't care if everything goes digital really. As much as I like having the boxes and a physical collection to look at, they take up alot of space. I already buy nearly all games online (retail), and although I buy some games over Steam, etc. digitally -- typically smaller games, World of Goo, Peggle for example -- digital distribution as the only option is probably the only way that I'm truly going to embrace it.

Digital distribution would also lessen my disdain for PC games recently not being stand-alone products (thanks to the DRM) that I purchase any longer, and require servers and permission from those servers to become "complete".

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#23 Precyse
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Well as it goes right now i buy from bestbuy, circuit city, hell even walmart because gamestop sucks and don't seem to really give a F*** about pc gamers, you've got to pre-order a pc game from gs otherwise there won't be any good AAA titles to be stocked on their very tiny shelf. i'll eventually go dd i'd like it if they did what gog does so you don't have to be hooked up to the net for verification, just burn the game onto a disc and your ready to play.
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#24 RobertBowen
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For me, it depends on how far publishers are willing to go to accommodate the end consumer. If digitally distributed games continue to be released with malware such as SecuROM, and enforced limited installations, etc., then I wouldn't contemplate it (and the same holds true for disk-based media).

I'm a long-term PC gamer, and I want to be able to play any and every game I purchase five or ten years from now - just as I can go back and play the games in my collection that are more than 10 or 15 years old. Some people argue that there are no guarantees games will work anyway under whatever OS is released in the future - but my response is that people find a way, as evidenced by DOSBox and other emulators, and community-created 'patches' that enable some old games to work under the current Operating Systems, and I think the same would hold true in the future.

I don't want to be completely reliant on an online service, such as Steam, at the moment because there is no guarantee it will still be around in the future, or if it is, there's no guarantee it will continue to support older games. Also, if there is an interruption (as there was a few months ago), it means you could be subject to 'down time'. It might be a minor inconvenience, but its still an inconvenience if your free time is limited. If the distribution service goes out of business, of course, there are no guarantees of patches being released to enable you to play your game collection offline (or being able to install it on another PC in future without the need for online activation).

Another factor is cost - digitally distributed games are sometimes even more expensive than boxed versions, yet come without disks or manuals and do not have the same costs of distribution. If DD games were cheaper, and came with less restrictions so you could install them any time you like and just play (without having to authenticate online), then it would be far more attractive in the long term.

Steam has some way to go before it would become my primary access point for gaming, and dropping things like SecuROM on games released via Steam would be a major first step. For example, if Steam released SecuROM free versions of FEAR, STALKER, Warhammer 40k series, NWN2, and a lot of others I've bought previously on disk, I would definitely purchase them AGAIN just so that I don't have the hassle of that malware. I would also buy Mass Effect PC, Far Cry 2, and all the other games I've missed out on recently. Unfortunately, the Steam versions of such games still come with SecuROM as part of the package, so I won't touch them.

I have no special ties to physical media when it comes to games, other than the issues I've already highlighted. I do currently have broadband, so on a personal level there is nothing stopping me from going completely digital. If publishers were willing to drop DRM for digitally distributed titles, and there were no artificial restrictions on the longevity of games, I could easily make the switch and be satisfied (regardless of my feelings about other gamers being left out in the cold). Without that, there's a snowball's chance in hell, and I would have to be satisfied with my current game collection.

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I voted for "I will embrace Digital Distribution and continue gaming". But only if, my two wishes are fulfilled.

1. Since no more retail box and game will be digitally available, so no more malware like, SecuROM and disk-check code to be included.

2. Since no more DVD s to be burnt & packaging needs to be done, game prices should be lowered to some acceptance level.

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Very good points RobertBowen.

I think your issue with Steam isn't with Steam exactly -- or maybe it is depending on any expectations you have that they mandate to publishers for using their service -- but rather with the publishers since they are choosing :evil: to continue to install SecuROM even with the digitally distributed versions of their titles.

I agree, making the switch to digitally distribution would be so easy if the games were completely DRM-free! Maybe this isn't exactly what you're asking for and I've misunderstood, but unfortunately though, I have a hard time envisioning that in the future. Imagine if all titles were "free-floating" installs such as those from GOG.com for example, DRM-free, you buy it, it's yours forever no strings attached, no external (outside of or beyond your machine) dependencies. Can't see it happening and it's not an expectation of mine....but I would absolutely love to be wrong! ;)

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#27 TeamR
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Steam has some way to go before it would become my primary access point for gaming, and dropping things like SecuROM on games released via Steam would be a major first step. For example, if Steam released SecuROM free versions of FEAR, STALKER, Warhammer 40k series, NWN2, and a lot of others I've bought previously on disk, I would definitely purchase them AGAIN just so that I don't have the hassle of that malware. I would also buy Mass Effect PC, Far Cry 2, and all the other games I've missed out on recently. Unfortunately, the Steam versions of such games still come with SecuROM as part of the package, so I won't touch them.

RobertBowen

That annoys me too, but it's not something you can put the blame full on steam for. I'm 100% sure that if valve had their way there would be no Securom on a steam release. Unfortunately, developers and publishers still have the final say on their products, even when they are released through steam. So it's less of an issue with steam, and more of an issue with the game companies choosing to include things like SecuROM in their steam releases.

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#29 RobertBowen
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I wasn't trying to say that the Steam service was to 'blame' for the current situation and practices, only that I wouldn't fully utilise it because of the current situation. It may not Valve's fault if publishers still want SecuROM on games released via its Steam service, especially if that recent tidbit from Gabe Newell is anything to go by, but that won't change my buying habits. Only positive action can do that, and only Valve is in a position to try and force that kind of action because it is their service.

Perhaps Valve could be a bit more 'pushy' with publishers and developers to try and get them to drop SecuROM, ie, maybe become a little more discerning about what games they will allow on their service. After all, if you buy a game through Steam, it's pretty obvious that you haven't pirated it, and it would be tied to your account anyway. So devs/pubs including SecuROM is overkill for no good reason - just as including SecuROM on free demos that are supposed to be widely distributed is nonsensical. Perhaps the lawsuits against EA will help to move things along, I don't know.

The ball is in Valve's court, and it's up to them how they proceed. But until things change, Steam won't be my first stop when looking for a new game to buy (or any other similar digital distribution service).

When it comes to pricing, I don't know how much control Valve has over that, but again, Steam would be a lot more attractice if the prices were lower (at all times, not just during promotions) than retail boxed versions.

The two remaining issues regarding Steam (online activation and no certainty over longevity of the service) I could personally live with, though some written guarantee of patches in the event of collapse would be welcome.

So as I said, Steam has some way to go before I'll contemplate using it exclusively for purchasing all my games. If it was the only choice right now, I wouldn't use it except to purchase non-SecuROM titles, and I would wait until those 'promotions' come around to lower the prices, so my gaming choices would still be limited. Personal choice, I know, but there you have it.

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#30 TeamR
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I wasn't trying to say that the Steam service was to 'blame' for the current situation and practices, only that I wouldn't fully utilise it because of the current situation. It may not Valve's fault if publishers still want SecuROM on games released via its Steam service, especially if that recent tidbit from Gabe Newell is anything to go by, but that won't change my buying habits. Only positive action can do that, and only Valve is in a position to try and force that kind of action because it is their service.

Perhaps Valve could be a bit more 'pushy' with publishers and developers to try and get them to drop SecuROM, ie, maybe become a little more discerning about what games they will allow on their service. After all, if you buy a game through Steam, it's pretty obvious that you haven't pirated it, and it would be tied to your account anyway. So devs/pubs including SecuROM is overkill for no good reason - just as including SecuROM on free demos that are supposed to be widely distributed is nonsensical. Perhaps the lawsuits against EA will help to move things along, I don't know.RobertBowen

Yeah I hear you. I didn't mean to come off as confrontational. hehe

The service right now is good enough for me. I've already made the switch and like I said earlier, I havent bought a game over the counter in years. But I do agree with you that companies make some crappy decisions on their DD releases.

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#31 Jodan77
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I love Digital Distribution, so it wouldn't affect me.

I think I'm going to wait to buy games until they release on steam from now on. Got Crysis at launch retail, only to facepalm when it released on Steam a year later.

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Personally, I enjoy purchasing games through digital distribution but there are a few drawbacks for me currently. 1. I have to wait to download the game before I can play it. A boxed copy only requires you to pop it into the drive, install, and go. 2. The exchange rates between Canadian and American currencies has dropped by 20 cents in the recent months and means I would end up paying more for the DD version, even if it is discounted by 5 dollars compared to the local store prices 3. Playing offline at times is something I wish was more accessible. I personally love Impulse for this reason but it is probably my only grief with Steam at the moment. So I'll accept it, enjoy it but will miss some things regarding it.
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I would probably stop buying games. Main reasons would be that I am against having to pay on-line and generally avoid it whenever possible (although that's not necessarily part of digital distribution it most commonly is) and I refuse to be dependent on an internet connection to play my games.
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#34 Alter_Echo
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I would be cool with it if the game was cheaper. Im not going to pay the same amount for a digital copy with no manual or box. For the same reason i do NOT purchase any digital downloads presently. I would just stop pc gaming alltogether.
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#35 Rotinaj32
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People really care about game manuals and the art box stuff? You can get all manuals in pdf form if they are really that needed. The junk has always made my stuff waay to cluttered, and I despise having like 60-80 CD's and the appropriate CD keys lugged around. I've lost a couple games because of it honestly.

I've fully embraced steam... and as a primary platform it works great for me. I simply wait for good deals to pick up games because I'm patient ($2 audiosurf, 10 bioshock, 20 for all of Rstar stuff xcept GTA4, $5 for VTMB, $5 for Deus Ex etc etc. When you have a lot of games on steam its sooo much more convenient as long as you have a consistent internet connection (and a large majority of us should anyways).

If you really have that much of an issue using a credit card or really distrustful of that stuff, get a prepaid credit/gift card from the stores and make online purchases with it. Just imagine if there were steam gift cards in stores:)

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#36 MythPro1
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Digital Distribution is the wave of the future so yes, I embrace it and will continue my PC gaming.
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#37 MiniBeas
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Once Impulse gets more popular i know that it will beat steam. All it needs is for more developers to sign up with them. But really Stardock with Impulse is really paving there way by NOT REQUIRING YOU to be online. I much prefer impulse and direct 2 drive for that very reason. But I think that Impulse is best because they do not have restrictive DRM. I mean valve requires you to be online but if your power goes down or if the router craps out then you can't play your games. This is why Impulse is the best bet for PC gaming.
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#38 MythPro1
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Stardick MiniBeas
That made me chuckle, whether intentional or not.
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#39 MiniBeas
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Thanks for pointing that out. Man I hate typos.

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#40 TeamR
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I mean valve requires you to be online but if your power goes down or if the router craps out then you can't play your games. This is why Impulse is the best bet for PC gaming.MiniBeas

I don't think your going to be playing ANYTHING if your power goes out. And steam does have an offline mode. My internet was out for 2 days last year when I switched service providers and I was still able to play my steam games over that period

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It's something that I will gradually be accustomed to. Right now, I prefer having the physical copy just because they look so pretty. Other than that, I would learn to live with it and enjoy my PC gaming. I think that giving up PC gaming just because I can't have a physical copy is stupid. Adjusting to Digital Distribution isn't as drastic as people may make it out to be.
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#43 X360PS3AMD05
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I'd wait for games to be really cheap since i could no longer resell them and i'm not going to spend $60 on a game.
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#44 Elann2008
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I'd wait for games to be really cheap since i could no longer resell them and i'm not going to spend $60 on a game. X360PS3AMD05
Come to think about it, you're right. One of the most convenient options about buying a physical copy is "reselling." I too, will have to wait for certain games to get cheaper or else I won't buy them. Knowing steam, games will take a long time for the price to drop. This is the main reason why I avoid retail. I buy all my games from eBay, Amazon.com, or gogamer.com. So, I would like to edit my previous post and say, "I will not be happy if Digital Distribution became the only method of buying." If you want my opinion, I doubt DD will be the only method. There are far too many people in the world that do not even know how to buy stuff online, let alone do anything far more advanced. For example, if a parent wanted to buy her son a game, she may not know how to buy it digitally online. What if she wanted to surprise him as a Christmas present and wrap it all up nice and pretty for him? DD would take away so many options for people. I would be really pissed if DD became the only method.
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#45 azerisii
Member since 2008 • 25 Posts

I'm still one of those people who likes to hold a game in their hands and say "yeah I own this". Even if companies started just doing digital downloads and stopped selling games in stores, I'd start installing games onto portable memory devices. I still want to be able to play things when my computer dies a horrible flaming death.

That said, it totally wouldn't put me off PC games; I'd just go about how I stored those games differently.