What is it with the 16:9 only lately?!

What is it with all the games lately being showed in 16:9 and not on 4:3. Games like mirror's edge, F.E.A.R. 2, H.A.W.X., Assassin's Creed etc, are not full screened damn it! notice that some of those were made by ubisoft.

What is it with all the games lately being showed in 16:9 and not on 4:3. Games like mirror's edge, F.E.A.R. 2, H.A.W.X., Assassin's Creed etc, are not full screened damn it! notice that some of those were made by ubisoft.

f22rf

People still use CRT's? That sucks...getting my 22" LCD was one of the best upgrades I ever did. Get out of the past, the future is wide screen not crappy 4:3.

People still use CRT's? That sucks...getting my 22" LCD was one of the best upgrades I ever did. Get out of the past, the future is wide screen not crappy 4:3.

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="f22rf"]

What is it with all the games lately being showed in 16:9 and not on 4:3. Games like mirror's edge, F.E.A.R. 2, H.A.W.X., Assassin's Creed etc, are not full screened damn it! notice that some of those were made by ubisoft.

DragonfireXZ95

People still use CRT's? That sucks...getting my 22" LCD was one of the best upgrades I ever did. Get out of the past, the future is wide screen not crappy 4:3.

dnuggs40

I've been running my PC games on a 42" LCD TV for a couple of years now. Widescreen is the new standard.

Fear 2 was defo one of the worst, laziest ports ever.couly

[QUOTE="couly"]Fear 2 was defo one of the worst, laziest ports ever.f22rf

I changed, actually to 16/10 (1680x1050), and never looked back

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

People still use CRT's? That sucks...getting my 22" LCD was one of the best upgrades I ever did. Get out of the past, the future is wide screen not crappy 4:3.

Franko_3

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/Master_Games_List_-_A

and get rid of it

hawx is 16:10, only the menu is 16:9

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

HenriH-42

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

CRT > LCD. It's the truth.

Until I see a cheap LCD (I got my current monitor for 10 euros) that supports higher resolution than my monitor does (2048x1536) without having to worry about native resolution, with better image quality (LCD monitors have terrible, TERRIBLE black - more like light gray) I just don't see the point. Oh, it's better because it costs more and it takes less space. :roll: I hate this stupid fad about everything needing to be as small as possible, I have this MP3 player that is TINY and really FLAT - it says in the manual that if I press the goddamn buttons too hard or I accidentally hit it with my fingernail, it breaks. Nothing lasts anymore, I guess they make everything as disposable as possible so that they can sell more crap to people. Another thing I hate are the idiotic buzzwords such as "HD" and "next-gen". I've used resolutions bigger than HD since 2002.

Hopefully, by the time my CRT monitor breaks (maybe around 2020) the monitors have at least reached the same quality as CRT monitors were. Heck, I still have my original Microscan 3E/ADI monitor from friggin 1993, my friend has had an LCD since 2004 - the image quality is terrible and it's nearly broken. LCD monitors break so easily, one a bit harder touch or little scratch and that's pretty much it. I can even knock or slightly punch my monitor and it's still as good as new.

/rant

... yeah, you're a CRT zealot. Just roll with it and enjoy the ride!Makari

It just pisses me off when games don't properly support 4:3. I mean, how hard is that to make? Letterboxing looks awful.

CRT > LCD. It's the truth.

Until I see a cheap LCD (I got my current monitor for 10 euros) that supports higher resolution than my monitor does (2048x1536) without having to worry about native resolution, with better image quality (LCD monitors have terrible, TERRIBLE black - more like light gray) I just don't see the point. Oh, it's better because it costs more and it takes less space. :roll: I hate this stupid fad about everything needing to be as small as possible, I have this MP3 player that is TINY and really FLAT - it says in the manual that if I press the goddamn buttons too hard or I accidentally hit it with my fingernail, it breaks. Nothing lasts anymore, I guess they make everything as disposable as possible so that they can sell more crap to people. Another thing I hate are the idiotic buzzwords such as "HD" and "next-gen". I've used resolutions bigger than HD since 2002.

Hopefully, by the time my CRT monitor breaks (maybe around 2020) the monitors have at least reached the same quality as CRT monitors were. Heck, I still have my original Microscan 3E/ADI monitor from friggin 1993, my friend has had an LCD since 2004 - the image quality is terrible and it's nearly broken. LCD monitors break so easily, one a bit harder touch or little scratch and that's pretty much it. I can even knock or slightly punch my monitor and it's still as good as new.

/rant

HenriH-42

[QUOTE="Makari"]... yeah, you're a CRT zealot. Just roll with it and enjoy the ride!HenriH-42

It just pisses me off when games don't properly support 4:3. I mean, how hard is that to make? Letterboxing looks awful.

And a crt will crack :P Get a glossy monitor, it helps the contrast ratio significantly, also OLED screens have super contrast ratios.JigglyWiggly_

CRT won't crack, unless you hit itlike really hard. I've heard about this OLED technology, and it sounds like it's much better than LCD but they're still really expensive, right? I think I'm skipping LCD completely and only upgrading when these OLED monitors can be found for like 50 euros. In the meanwhile, I'm sticking with my trusty old CRTs.

It does indeed look awful BUT at least on my 24" 4:3 CRT lowered to 1980x1050 widescreen is still at least 19" wide :D, i sort of got used to it when i had a 360 hooked up to it a while back BUT i'm in the same boat as you as i to won't buy a game that doesn't offer 4:3 (i do have mirrors edge though BUT it was free).Stoner-Pimp

Yeah I have a 19" ViewSonic P97f+, I mostly use resolutions like 1280x960, 1600x1200 or even 2048x1536... But if I use a widescreen res or the game has letterboxing it looks like I'm playing it on a 14" monitor it's pretty bad and it's a huge immersion killer. Lol reminds me of those days with my 486 and 15" monitor with a max res as high as 640x480.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]And a crt will crack :P Get a glossy monitor, it helps the contrast ratio significantly, also OLED screens have super contrast ratios.HenriH-42

CRT won't crack, unless you hit itlike really hard. I've heard about this OLED technology, and it sounds like it's much better than LCD but they're still really expensive, right? I think I'm skipping LCD completely and only upgrading when these OLED monitors can be found for like 50 euros. In the meanwhile, I'm sticking with my trusty old CRTs.

I hope OLED really takes off soon (or even better Laser displays), but it seems like LCD's are here to stay for the next couple of years.

I hope OLED really takes off soon (or even better Laser displays), but it seems like LCD's are here to stay for the next couple of years.

BlueBirdTS

Yep it sounds much better than LCD. I don't mind waiting a few years though, I have plenty of CRT monitors in case this one breaks so I'll just keep using them until OLED gets cheap. ;)

[QUOTE="Makari"]... yeah, you're a CRT zealot. Just roll with it and enjoy the ride!HenriH-42

It just pisses me off when games don't properly support 4:3. I mean, how hard is that to make? Letterboxing looks awful.

Games can generally either support widescreen well (hor+ widescreen support, so 4:3 users are going to see less) or 4:3 well (vert- widescreen, so 4:3 people are getting the 'most' view) - somebody's going to have to take the hit, and the devs are slowly moving in the direction of widescreen support.Makari

Well then, that just means that those devs who choose to support only widescreen and not 4:3 aren't getting my money. Most of the games that have letterboxing are console ports anyway so I'm not missing much.

One of the reasons i changed from my crt monitor to a nice 19" widescreen monitor and the difference is big ( both in size and image quality ). Besides the vast majority of monitors the last 2 years are wide screen ( let alone that some companies are lazy enough to put a 4:3 aspect ratio support)

Whiles theres merit to the CRT > LCD arguments, nearly all manufacturers have stopped making CRTs. Most people who currently own a CRT have had one for years and years. By now most of them have blurred slightly and have lost some of the luminosity of the phosphors in the CRTs making them inferior even mid-range LCDs.

At this point, most people saying CRT > LCD aren't speaking from experience.

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

HenriH-42

[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

Johnny_Rock

His statement is still technically true though. A $700 CRT will destroy a $2000 LCD in many aspects.

I still see no reason to use LCD. CRTs can be found dirt cheap these days, I got mine for 10 euros and it works perfectly; The black is truly pitch black (that is, you can't tell if the monitor is on in a fully dark room), the colors look perfect and I don't have to worry about native resolution. It supports pretty much any resolution ranging from 320x200 to 2048x1536 without blurring up the image. Old games and new games both look perfect. Why would I pay hundreds for a "good" LCD monitor when I can have this for a few euros? CRT monitors are simply better value for money.

CRT flicker = fail. LCDs save eyes.attirex

Only if you don't know how to change the refresh rate. 100+ Hz = no flicker.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

XaosII

His statement is still technically true though. A $700 CRT will destroy a $2000 LCD in many aspects.

Both CRT's and LCD's have their pro's and cons. For imaging professionals or photographers I think CRT's are probably still better, but for gaming I don't see what's wrong with a high-quality non-TN panel LCD. Heck, I'm using a TN panel (worst kind of LCD) and I have no problems with it. I understand why some people choose to stick with CRT's and respect that, but the latest batch of LCD panels aren't bad at all for gaming.

Both CRT's and LCD's have their pro's and cons. For imaging professionals or photographers I think CRT's are probably still better, but for gaming I don't see what's wrong with a high-quality non-TN panel LCD. Heck, I'm using a TN panel (worst kind of LCD) and I have no problems with it. I understand why some people choose to stick with CRT's and respect that, but the latest batch of LCD panels aren't bad at all for gaming.

BlueBirdTS

I personally have a couple of reasons why I prefer CRT monitors for gaming

1) No native resolution. I often play old games that use really low resolutions, such as 320x200. These resolutions often look horrible or are not even supported on LCD monitors. Even in new games, I tend to use different resolutions, ranging from 1024x768 to 2048x1536. LCD monitors generally only look good in their native resolution.

2) Black is truly black. I prefer to game in a dark room. Lights out, with headphones. CRT monitors undeniably have far superior black. LCD monitors tend to have gray-ish black, and it ruins the immersion for me, especially in horror games.

3) Cost. A good LCD costs a lot more than a good CRT.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

Both CRT's and LCD's have their pro's and cons. For imaging professionals or photographers I think CRT's are probably still better, but for gaming I don't see what's wrong with a high-quality non-TN panel LCD. Heck, I'm using a TN panel (worst kind of LCD) and I have no problems with it. I understand why some people choose to stick with CRT's and respect that, but the latest batch of LCD panels aren't bad at all for gaming.

HenriH-42

I personally have a couple of reasons why I prefer CRT monitors for gaming

1) No native resolution. I often play old games that use really low resolutions, such as 320x200. These resolutions often look horrible or are not even supported on LCD monitors. Even in new games, I tend to use different resolutions, ranging from 1024x768 to 2048x1536. LCD monitors generally only look good in their native resolution.

2) Black is truly black. I prefer to game in a dark room. Lights out, with headphones. CRT monitors undeniably have far superior black. LCD monitors tend to have gray-ish black, and it ruins the immersion for me, especially in horror games.

3) Cost. A good LCD costs a lot more than a good CRT.

These are valid reasons, as I said I respect people who prefer CRT's. :) Basically, it just boils down to the individual and what they want.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"] Anyone who believes this hasn't seen that latest generation of LCD's.... This may have been true a couple of years ago, but not now.BlueBirdTS

His statement is still technically true though. A $700 CRT will destroy a $2000 LCD in many aspects.

Both CRT's and LCD's have their pro's and cons. For imaging professionals or photographers I think CRT's are probably still better, but for gaming I don't see what's wrong with a high-quality non-TN panel LCD. Heck, I'm using a TN panel (worst kind of LCD) and I have no problems with it. I understand why some people choose to stick with CRT's and respect that, but the latest batch of LCD panels aren't bad at all for gaming.

This is true. While CRT's certainly used to whoop LCD's, these days the difference is only discernible to imaging professionals. A good LCD is the standard for gaming now. Sure, CRT's still have a couple pro's (like playing 10 year old games lol), but for newer games they kick the crap out of CRT's. I kinda feel sad for the people who still resists and clutch to the old technology...but I understand I guess.

I drank the cool-aid for a while too...the whole "crt > lcd" crap and all...then I purchased a 22" LCD and it completely blew me away. It's literally night and day. I would NEVER go back to CRT, and I had a really nice one too. It just doesn't compare anymore...

These are valid reasons, as I said I respect people who prefer CRT's. :) Basically, it just boils down to the individual and what they want.

BlueBirdTS

That's cool then. I just wanted to list my reasons. But I can understand why people prefer LCDs too. The most obvious one being that they take up a lot less space. I'll admit, that 21" CRT weighs a ton and is pretty goddamn big. :P

mine is 1680x1050 and i would never want anything smaller. I had to switch to LCD because the CRTs give me headaches. They are always flashing in my face like when you look at a CRT screen in a video-that is what gives me the headaches.

This is true. While CRT's certainly used to whoop LCD's, these days the difference is only discernible to imaging professionals. A good LCD is the standard for gaming now. Sure, CRT's still have a couple pro's (like playing 10 year old games lol), but for newer games they kick the crap out of CRT's. I kinda feel sad for the people who still resists and clutch to the old technology...but I understand I guess.

I drank the cool-aid for a while too...the whole "crt > lcd" crap and all...then I purchased a 22" LCD and it completely blew me away. It's literally night and day. I would NEVER go back to CRT, and I had a really nice one too. It just doesn't compare anymore...

dnuggs40

How is it really that different? I've seen some pretty big and high end LCDs and to be honest I haven't been impressed. The size doesn't matter that much since I'm sitting like 10-20 cm from the monitor anyway. :D I'm also perfectly fine playing on a 15" monitor using 640x480, but maybe that's just me.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

It pisses me off, since I haven't yet downgraded to LCD monitors. If a game doesn't support 4:3 - I don't buy it.

CRT > LCD. Anyone who appreciates image quality knows that it's true.

XaosII

His statement is still technically true though. A $700 CRT will destroy a $2000 LCD in many aspects.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

This is true. While CRT's certainly used to whoop LCD's, these days the difference is only discernible to imaging professionals. A good LCD is the standard for gaming now. Sure, CRT's still have a couple pro's (like playing 10 year old games lol), but for newer games they kick the crap out of CRT's. I kinda feel sad for the people who still resists and clutch to the old technology...but I understand I guess.

I drank the cool-aid for a while too...the whole "crt > lcd" crap and all...then I purchased a 22" LCD and it completely blew me away. It's literally night and day. I would NEVER go back to CRT, and I had a really nice one too. It just doesn't compare anymore...

HenriH-42

How is it really that different? I've seen some pretty big and high end LCDs and to be honest I haven't been impressed. The size doesn't matter that much since I'm sitting like 10-20 cm from the monitor anyway. :D I'm also perfectly fine playing on a 15" monitor using 640x480, but maybe that's just me.

You gotta sit down in front of it and game on it. Seriously, I was just like you before and I held on to my high end 21" CRT forever...and I used to see LCD's on the store shelves and would snub them knowing their cons. Then a few years later in a move my CRT was smashed and I had to buy a new monitor and decided to take the plunge...seriously was so happy with my purchase. They are crisp, bright, wide (of course lol), and look very good. There is no more ghosting (if you buy one with < 5m response time) and you no longer have this huge 50lb beast taking up room on your desk.

Anyways, the first time I booted up a game in wide aspect on my new LCD I was sold...and for me CRT is history. I do understand the pro of CRT though with old games...but honestly for me even though I still occasionally play old games, I would rather have the LCD for new games and that's what I play more of.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

Both CRT's and LCD's have their pro's and cons. For imaging professionals or photographers I think CRT's are probably still better, but for gaming I don't see what's wrong with a high-quality non-TN panel LCD. Heck, I'm using a TN panel (worst kind of LCD) and I have no problems with it. I understand why some people choose to stick with CRT's and respect that, but the latest batch of LCD panels aren't bad at all for gaming.

HenriH-42

I personally have a couple of reasons why I prefer CRT monitors for gaming

1) No native resolution. I often play old games that use really low resolutions, such as 320x200. These resolutions often look horrible or are not even supported on LCD monitors. Even in new games, I tend to use different resolutions, ranging from 1024x768 to 2048x1536. LCD monitors generally only look good in their native resolution.

2) Black is truly black. I prefer to game in a dark room. Lights out, with headphones. CRT monitors undeniably have far superior black. LCD monitors tend to have gray-ish black, and it ruins the immersion for me, especially in horror games.

3) Cost. A good LCD costs a lot more than a good CRT.