What is the best failed World of Warcraft killer?

Disclaimer: I'm not saying any of these games were bad, were meant to be WoW killers, have failed as MMOs in general, or that they are bad in general.

These were all games that were hype by players and fanboys as "the World of Warcraft killers". Now that they have already failed, the hype and fuss has died, and they have been patched and improved, which one is the best?

EDIT: I just want to let everyone know that Answer 5 is saying "MMOs suck anyway", it's not a vote for "yay WoW".

if you ask me its more that millions of people aren't gonna simply quite playing a game they have been playing for years to some new gamejohnny27

if you ask me its more that millions of people aren't gonna simply quite playing a game they have been playing for years to some new gamejohnny27

Then why did they Quit Everquest, Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, & Dark Age of Camelot?

Blizzard Simply Won because they are Blizzard. If any company came out with a Game that was Identical to WoW with Different Names it would have been a Mediocre Release with sub par Subs, and Meh reviews.

Blizzard brings more Bias to the PC community than any other Company on the planet.

Warhammer Online was pretty fun.

Did EVE Online fail? It's very high quality too.

WAR was never designed to kill WoW. It was meant to be #2.

IMO, fun factor wise, it's #1, back when it was first fresh and new. I have so many memories of keep sieges that were epic in nature.

Warhammer Online was pretty fun.

Did EVE Online fail? It's very high quality too.

-PuLse

[QUOTE="johnny27"]if you ask me its more that millions of people aren't gonna simply quite playing a game they have been playing for years to some new gameNerkcon

Q4 and UT3 have no time sink like WoW. You go in with everything so you dont feel like you are leaving anything. Unlike an MMO.

lotro doesn't belong on this list

if you ask me its more that millions of people aren't gonna simply quite playing a game they have been playing for years to some new gamejohnny27

WAR was never designed to kill WoW. It was meant to be #2.

IMO, fun factor wise, it's #1, back when it was first fresh and new. I have so many memories of keep sieges that were epic in nature.

PunishedOne

"They didn't fail, they're just too hardcore for WoW casuals!"

Have a laugh. You'll find this game's got a mix of a large amount of casuals and also people who play for looooong periods of time that haven't even reached true end game. Try getting Gladiator title or killing Yogg or even Algalon, try doing Battlemaster achievement, try earning 16k for a mount then tell me other MMO's are too much for casuals!!!

Well personally i think that AoC is fantastic now...the only drawback being the lack of players. If that was ever fixed, then i would sub again in a heartbeat.

I also think Vanguard has improved tremendously and while AoC is great for the pvp crowd, Vanguard is fantastic for the pve crowd.

So while these 2 titles did "fail" at launch, i think they are the best mmos on the market right now...besides obviously EVE Online.

Definately vanguard. I think there is like 4 people playing that game.

Definately vanguard. I think there is like 4 people playing that game.

JPops121

there is a good reason for WOW success
and all games that wanted a piece of it, they tryed to alternate the idea but to base them on the same rules

WOW have a very easy to play st yle yet its not shallow
there is no really 1 story line, but more like many sub story lines...
First of all there is the War, The Horde vs The Alliance (I think they were called that way, not 100% sure)
there are also sub quests, like the hunted village, or the pirates castle
all of which had to be cleard off enemys.
There were also quests not only about killing
for excample the Orcs town had a quest where you have to find an amulet that was lost or stolen
and for that you get money and i think also equipment.

There are also dungeons, which is a quest too, but it is designed for teams as alone you will die like after 5 minuts.

and there is a good PVP system, both orgenised or by hunting intruders
the intel is great, so if a dwarf was killed by an orc, he could of use the chat to call for help
and 10 minuts later you would of see 20 top level dwarfs and gnomes and elfs hunting down this poor orc
sometimes there were team invasions which resulted in awesome battles.

Eve Online is a good alternative
there are no real quets but there are bounty missions made by player owned corporations
there are also epic battles of like 20 ships vs 20 ships (and im talking about HUGE ships)
you can also work as a mercenry, to offer your services to corporation leaders or to minerstraiders
all those "quests" got nothing to do with NPCs, pure players paying to other players for protection or whatever.
And the most advanced and breathing economy, Eve online have such a real economy system
that i heard rumors that the entire univarse went threw economical crysis more then a few times
but unlike real world, the admins fixed it by reducing the ammounts of minerals or whatever
so that new players could of gain at least some sort of income
(the economy was flooded with ore so new players couldnt sell and gain proffits)

"They didn't fail, they're just too hardcore for WoW casuals!"

Have a laugh. You'll find this game's got a mix of a large amount of casuals and also people who play for looooong periods of time that haven't even reached true end game. Try getting Gladiator title or killing Yogg or even Algalon, try doing Battlemaster achievement, try earning 16k for a mount then tell me other MMO's are too much for casuals!!!

cyborg100000

Well personally i think that AoC is fantastic now...the only drawback being the lack of players. If that was ever fixed, then i would sub again in a heartbeat.

I also think Vanguard has improved tremendously and while AoC is great for the pvp crowd, Vanguard is fantastic for the pve crowd.

So while these 2 titles did "fail" at launch, i think they are the best mmos on the market right now...besides obviously EVE Online.

zephyr12192

If I had to choose I would probobly say Warhammer. I am not saying its a failure just becouse 11 million people play WoW does not mean that is the number that makes an mmo succesful. Even 200,000 makes the game a success. WoW is just the exception. Anyways I think Warhammer failed the most becouse I see it as something similar to Warcraft. Both games are based on an established and well known world. WoW is popular becouse the previous Warcraft games had a huge following. Warhammer also has a following and a universe that has been around for far longer that is why I thought that Warhammer could maybe not "kill" but affect WoW.

I had an argument with a friend recently about this sort of thing and his opinion was that Age of Conan was the biggest failure becouse it is a well established universe and so alot of people should have bought the game, but the truth is that besides the movies Conan is not that well known. There were not many Conan games so the Conan fanbase was and is mostly of the book reading kind.

If I had to choose I would probobly say Warhammer. I am not saying its a failure just becouse 11 million people play WoW does not mean that is the number that makes an mmo succesful. Even 200,000 makes the game a success. WoW is just the exception. Anyways I think Warhammer failed the most becouse I see it as something similar to Warcraft. Both games are based on an established and well known world. WoW is popular becouse the previous Warcraft games had a huge following. Warhammer also has a following and a universe that has been around for far longer that is why I thought that Warhammer could maybe not "kill" but affect WoW.

I had an argument with a friend recently about this sort of thing and his opinion was that Age of Conan was the biggest failure becouse it is a well established universe and so alot of people should have bought the game, but the truth is that besides the movies Conan is not that well known. There were not many Conan games so the Conan fanbase was and is mostly of the book reading kind.

rzepak

Unbalanced classes, PvP focus means that its not for everybody. Anyways we arent talking about the quality of the game here, we are talking about which game had the chance to topple WoW and failed atleast that is how I see it. I am not passing judgment on which game is better but on which game had more potential. Ofcourse people who prefer PvP will gravite to Warhammer or even Age of Conan and if someone wants better stories they would maybe look to LOTRO. Do you know what game has decent storylines, decent PvP, a very good PvE? Imo that is WoW and that is why WHO fails at least that is how I see it no need for caps.

Unbalanced classes, PvP focus means that its not for everybody. Anyways we arent talking about the quality of the game here, we are talking about which game had the chance to topple WoW and failed atleast that is how I see it. I am not passing judgment on which game is better but on which game had more potential. Ofcourse people who prefer PvP will gravite to Warhammer or even Age of Conan and if someone wants better stories they would maybe look to LOTRO. Do you know what game has decent storylines, decent PvP, a very good PvE? Imo that is WoW and that is why WHO fails at least that is how I see it no need for caps.

rzepak

Maybe not to you, but a game that has everything and those everything decently or better is a good game indeed. Sure its not perfect it cant be. When trying to appease everyone there the best you can do is find the golden center.

Anyways we arent talking about the quality of the game here, we are talking about which game had the chance to topple WoW and failed atleast that is how I see it. rzepak

For pve LotR, and for pvp WAR.

For pve LotR, and for pvp WAR.

Delius

[QUOTE="Delius"]

For pve LotR, and for pvp WAR.

SKaREO

lotro doesn't belong on this list

tony2077ca

how is WH:O the worst failure? they have better pvp than wow, but lack in pve. so if part of it is better than WoW, then HOW DOES IT FAIL?fnevaeva

It is "The Fail" coz Paul Barnett was telling people to stop playing WoW. (http://brokentoys.org/tag/paul-barnett/)

WAR had almost 1 million players at launch...but lost 2/3 of them in the later months. They had to close down alot of servers + merge dead servers into survivable ones.

WoW otoh, contrary to what Paul was saying, have their subs increased to 11-12 million during this time period. So yeah, there you have it, Failhammer Online by Mythic"al Failure".

Funnily, I"m a ex-DAOC player and still playing WAR. I like Mythic but just that, they thought they had a real chance of toppling WoW so they got all overzealous and lost their focus, which should always been RVR, RVR and ONLY RVR. PVP has always been a niche market ( a VERY healthy niche one tho) but the masses simply don't like to PVP, no matter how dumbed down you cut it. So its either you set your game around PVP all the way, as Eve-Online did it or you go PVE like WoW did it, with PVP as a side activity.

You try to do it both and you get WAR, a watered down, pointless and repetitive PVP with no real impact and a shi tty PVE.

[QUOTE="fnevaeva"] how is WH:O the worst failure? they have better pvp than wow, but lack in pve. so if part of it is better than WoW, then HOW DOES IT FAIL?mirgamer

It is "The Fail" coz Paul Barnett was telling people to stop playing WoW. (http://brokentoys.org/tag/paul-barnett/)

WAR had almost 1 million players at launch...but lost 2/3 of them in the later months. They had to close down alot of servers + merge dead servers into survivable ones.

WoW otoh, contrary to what Paul was saying, have their subs increased to 11-12 million during this time period. So yeah, there you have it, Failhammer Online by Mythic"al Failure".

Funnily, I"m a ex-DAOC player and still playing WAR. I like Mythic but just that, they thought they had a real chance of toppling WoW so they got all overzealous and lost their focus, which should always been RVR, RVR and ONLY RVR. PVP has always been a niche market ( a VERY healthy niche one tho) but the masses simply don't like to PVP, no matter how dumbed down you cut it. So its either you set your game around PVP all the way, as Eve-Online did it or you go PVE like WoW did it, with PVP as a side activity.

You try to do it both and you get WAR, a watered down, pointless and repetitive PVP with no real impact and a shi tty PVE.

[QUOTE="fnevaeva"] how is WH:O the worst failure? they have better pvp than wow, but lack in pve. so if part of it is better than WoW, then HOW DOES IT FAIL?mirgamer

It is "The Fail" coz Paul Barnett was telling people to stop playing WoW. (http://brokentoys.org/tag/paul-barnett/)

WAR had almost 1 million players at launch...but lost 2/3 of them in the later months. They had to close down alot of servers + merge dead servers into survivable ones.

WoW otoh, contrary to what Paul was saying, have their subs increased to 11-12 million during this time period. So yeah, there you have it, Failhammer Online by Mythic"al Failure".

Funnily, I"m a ex-DAOC player and still playing WAR. I like Mythic but just that, they thought they had a real chance of toppling WoW so they got all overzealous and lost their focus, which should always been RVR, RVR and ONLY RVR. PVP has always been a niche market ( a VERY healthy niche one tho) but the masses simply don't like to PVP, no matter how dumbed down you cut it. So its either you set your game around PVP all the way, as Eve-Online did it or you go PVE like WoW did it, with PVP as a side activity.

You try to do it both and you get WAR, a watered down, pointless and repetitive PVP with no real impact and a shi tty PVE.

I agree with most of what you say but WAR's PVP has a big impact on the world you play in. Not to the extent of EVE but still.

"They didn't fail, they're just too hardcore for WoW casuals!"

Have a laugh. You'll find this game's got a mix of a large amount of casuals and also people who play for looooong periods of time that haven't even reached true end game. Try getting Gladiator title or killing Yogg or even Algalon, try doing Battlemaster achievement, try earning 16k for a mount then tell me other MMO's are too much for casuals!!!

cyborg100000

This doesn't make wow more hardcore, it just makes it a grindfest. Once I hit 2250 in 3v3 arena I realized how rediculous some classes were compared to others. Anyone with half a brain and fast fingers can do well in WoW PVP. And YS and Algalon are only hard because of how gear dependent the game is. YS isn't even hard if you choose to have some help. Blizz just decided to make a boss that is nearly too strong to be killed by conventional means with the gear already in the game. Explain to me why no one yet has downed algalon 10-man without blatantly overgearing the instance.