what new game will overcome crysis (graphic wise)

I honestly do not see any game surpassing it (atleast in 08 that is)

EDIT: The closest to it IMO is Killzone 2, but this is a personal choice.

I honestly do not see any game surpassing it (atleast in 08 that is)

EDIT: The closest to it IMO is Killzone 2, but this is a personal choice.

catlin_czirr

[QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]

I honestly do not see any game surpassing it (atleast in 08 that is)

EDIT: The closest to it IMO is Killzone 2, but this is a personal choice.

anshul89

how about alan wake? the characters dont look that good but the enviornment does sabbath2gamer

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]

I honestly do not see any game surpassing it (atleast in 08 that is)

EDIT: The closest to it IMO is Killzone 2, but this is a personal choice.

catlin_czirr

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]how about alan wake? the characters dont look that good but the enviornment does catlin_czirr

how about alan wake? the characters dont look that good but the enviornment does sabbath2gamer

Hey that was the game I was going to say! Good thinking! The scale of the game will probably be bigger in Crysis and also the lighting effects could be some of the best we've ever seen in a game since it has such an important role in the gameplay (apparently).

I don't know if any game will actually surpass Crysis - but for those who can play it, at least there's a year or maybe 2 without having to upgrade aye?

I HOPE Mafia 2 will overcome Crysis. Hehe.

Btw, FC2, Alan Wake or Crytek's next project (LOL) have a chance to overcome Crysis.

I HOPE Mafia 2 will overcome Crysis. Hehe.

Btw, FC2, Alan Wake or Crytek's next project (LOL) have a chance to overcome Crysis.

mac631

But will this mean the system requirements will be even greater? Thats a scary though ain't it?

I have my money on Alan Wake...

i think crysis 2naval

Crysis 8 is better...

No, Crysis is still better, all farcry 2 does well is fire...SonKev

I disagree. Far Cry 2's grass is way better looking than Crysis's, as is its dense foliage. Its lighting has got to be the best I've seen in anything. However, Crysis looks to be better at things like character models, maybe textures, bump and parallax mapping. Overall, honestly, the two games look on par with each other just comparing what I've seen of both, they just excel in different areas. But we'll see if things stay that way as more is seen of FC2.

If I had to pick a game that looks like it will outdo Crysis, it'd be Project Offset. Its lighting, while not bad, looks like the one thing that isn't spectacular, utilizing a little too much of the "bloomy" effect to give the deception of great lighting. However, everything else looks amazing from what I've seen, model complexity and textures standing out the most. I can't imagine how much the game's visuals will be downgraded for the consoles.

I think Alan Wake absolutely, most definitely will NOT beat Crysis. It looks good, with lighting that rivals (but doesn't surpass) Far Cry 2's, but everything else looks pretty average to me. Character models, textures and their depth, shaders, it all looks very normal (which isn't a bad thing), though the water that I've seen looks a bit substandard.

[QUOTE="SonKev"]No, Crysis is still better, all farcry 2 does well is fire...JP_Russell

I disagree. Far Cry 2's grass is way better looking than Crysis's, as is its dense foliage. Its lighting has got to be the best I've seen in anything. However, Crysis looks to be better at things like character models, maybe textures, bump and parallax mapping. Overall, honestly, the two games look on par with each other just comparing what I've seen of both, they just excel in different areas. But we'll see if things stay that way as more is seen of FC2.

If I had to pick a game that looks like it will outdo Crysis, it'd be Project Offset. Its lighting, while not bad, looks like the one thing that isn't spectacular, utilizing a little too much of the "bloomy" effect to give the deception of great lighting. However, everything else looks amazing from what I've seen, model complexity and textures standing out the most. I can't imagine how much the game's visuals will be downgraded for the consoles.

I think Alan Wake absolutely, most definitely will NOT beat Crysis. It looks good, with lighting that rivals (but doesn't surpass) Far Cry 2's, but everything else looks pretty average to me. Character models, textures and their depth, shaders, it all looks very normal (which isn't a bad thing), though the water that I've seen looks a bit substandard.

Textures? Geez you must have seen a lot of the game up close and personal to be able to make that call right?

Roll out the red carpet gents! The CEO of Remedy is here! We salute you General! He has returned from the great voyage that was making Alan Wake! Could I trouble you for an anecdote sire! We wish to hear of your glorious conquest and the amazing adventure you took part in as you travelled across the high seas, searching for the new world, and the necessary resources to make the game Alan Wake!

You know what kids? The legend has it that he actually sampled bits of light in tiny little jars just to render it into the game! Oh no but you mustn't open it Billy! The myth has told us that should you open it first it would blind you forever! The lighting now in the game is much too powerful even for a PC that can run Crysis kids! To find a new computer that can run this game.....more powerful than Crysis Billy...thats an adventure for another day...

And SCENE!

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[QUOTE="SonKev"]No, Crysis is still better, all farcry 2 does well is fire...biggest_loser

I disagree. Far Cry 2's grass is way better looking than Crysis's, as is its dense foliage. Its lighting has got to be the best I've seen in anything. However, Crysis looks to be better at things like character models, maybe textures, bump and parallax mapping. Overall, honestly, the two games look on par with each other just comparing what I've seen of both, they just excel in different areas. But we'll see if things stay that way as more is seen of FC2.

If I had to pick a game that looks like it will outdo Crysis, it'd be Project Offset. Its lighting, while not bad, looks like the one thing that isn't spectacular, utilizing a little too much of the "bloomy" effect to give the deception of great lighting. However, everything else looks amazing from what I've seen, model complexity and textures standing out the most. I can't imagine how much the game's visuals will be downgraded for the consoles.

I think Alan Wake absolutely, most definitely will NOT beat Crysis. It looks good, with lighting that rivals (but doesn't surpass) Far Cry 2's, but everything else looks pretty average to me. Character models, textures and their depth, shaders, it all looks very normal (which isn't a bad thing), though the water that I've seen looks a bit substandard.

Textures? Geez you must have seen a lot of the game up close and personal to be able to make that call right?

Why yes, yes I have. As for the rest of your post.

o_0

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[QUOTE="SonKev"]No, Crysis is still better, all farcry 2 does well is fire...biggest_loser

I disagree. Far Cry 2's grass is way better looking than Crysis's, as is its dense foliage. Its lighting has got to be the best I've seen in anything. However, Crysis looks to be better at things like character models, maybe textures, bump and parallax mapping. Overall, honestly, the two games look on par with each other just comparing what I've seen of both, they just excel in different areas. But we'll see if things stay that way as more is seen of FC2.

If I had to pick a game that looks like it will outdo Crysis, it'd be Project Offset. Its lighting, while not bad, looks like the one thing that isn't spectacular, utilizing a little too much of the "bloomy" effect to give the deception of great lighting. However, everything else looks amazing from what I've seen, model complexity and textures standing out the most. I can't imagine how much the game's visuals will be downgraded for the consoles.

I think Alan Wake absolutely, most definitely will NOT beat Crysis. It looks good, with lighting that rivals (but doesn't surpass) Far Cry 2's, but everything else looks pretty average to me. Character models, textures and their depth, shaders, it all looks very normal (which isn't a bad thing), though the water that I've seen looks a bit substandard.

Textures? Geez you must have seen a lot of the game up close and personal to be able to make that call right?

Roll out the red carpet gents! The CEO of Remedy is here! We salute you General! He has returned from the great voyage that was making Alan Wake! Could I trouble you for an anecdote sire! We wish to hear of your glorious conquest and the amazing adventure you took part in as you travelled across the high seas, searching for the new world, and the necessary resources to make the game Alan Wake!

You know what kids? The legend has it that he actually sampled bits of light in tiny little jars just to render it into the game! Oh no but you mustn't open it Billy! The myth has told us that should you open it first it would blind you forever! The lighting now in the game is much too powerful even for a PC that can run Crysis kids! To find a new computer that can run this game.....more powerful than Crysis Billy...thats an adventure for another day...

And SCENE!

I think you overdid it a bit there mate....

in terms of technical acheivement, I think Crysis will be hard to surpass. It can be done, its just a matter of writing code and optimising an engine to work on the average joe's PC.

What I want, more than "prettier" graphics, is more artistic style. The only game I played in the past few years to try something different was TF2. And its beautiful!

I want developers to start designing engines to look cooler, and less realistic. I play games to get away from reality for a few minutes,I dont necessarily want to see real things in my games.

What about a game with a film noir setting developed with black and white visuals? People are so busy trying to copy reality in their games that they completely lose creativity.

in terms of technical acheivement, I think Crysis will be hard to surpass. It can be done, its just a matter of writing code and optimising an engine to work on the average joe's PC.

What I want, more than "prettier" graphics, is more artistic style. The only game I played in the past few years to try something different was TF2. And its beautiful!

I want developers to start designing engines to look cooler, and less realistic. I play games to get away from reality for a few minutes,I dont necessarily want to see real things in my games.

What about a game with a film noir setting developed with black and white visuals? People are so busy trying to copy reality in their games that they completely lose creativity.

mrbojangles25

Sure visual styles are great. But how about working on the stories a bit more? Adding some emotional depth and complexities. Only the Half-Life Episodes have really done that recently

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

in terms of technical acheivement, I think Crysis will be hard to surpass. It can be done, its just a matter of writing code and optimising an engine to work on the average joe's PC.

What I want, more than "prettier" graphics, is more artistic style. The only game I played in the past few years to try something different was TF2. And its beautiful!

I want developers to start designing engines to look cooler, and less realistic. I play games to get away from reality for a few minutes,I dont necessarily want to see real things in my games.

What about a game with a film noir setting developed with black and white visuals? People are so busy trying to copy reality in their games that they completely lose creativity.

biggest_loser

Sure visual styles are great. But how about working on the stories a bit more? Adding some emotional depth and complexities. Only the Half-Life Episodes have really done that recently

Think of the Blizzard's cutscene in games like wow and warcraft 3.

Unless games look THAT good(while playing) then the graphics will never be good enough for me.

At any rate Gameplay> Graphics

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

in terms of technical acheivement, I think Crysis will be hard to surpass. It can be done, its just a matter of writing code and optimising an engine to work on the average joe's PC.

What I want, more than "prettier" graphics, is more artistic style. The only game I played in the past few years to try something different was TF2. And its beautiful!

I want developers to start designing engines to look cooler, and less realistic. I play games to get away from reality for a few minutes,I dont necessarily want to see real things in my games.

What about a game with a film noir setting developed with black and white visuals? People are so busy trying to copy reality in their games that they completely lose creativity.

biggest_loser

Sure visual styles are great. But how about working on the stories a bit more? Adding some emotional depth and complexities. Only the Half-Life Episodes have really done that recently

mass effect.

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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

in terms of technical acheivement, I think Crysis will be hard to surpass. It can be done, its just a matter of writing code and optimising an engine to work on the average joe's PC.

What I want, more than "prettier" graphics, is more artistic style. The only game I played in the past few years to try something different was TF2. And its beautiful!

I want developers to start designing engines to look cooler, and less realistic. I play games to get away from reality for a few minutes,I dont necessarily want to see real things in my games.

What about a game with a film noir setting developed with black and white visuals? People are so busy trying to copy reality in their games that they completely lose creativity.

Xeros606

Sure visual styles are great. But how about working on the stories a bit more? Adding some emotional depth and complexities. Only the Half-Life Episodes have really done that recently

mass effect.

/thread

i thought we were referring to shooters, but I guess not. Plus ME is an RPG, its requiredthat RPGs have a good story imo.

nothing, crysis will look advanced for years to come. a computer was built using 3 8800gtx, and while it could runn the game at max. settings and full res., the framerate was not completely stable.Xeros606

The game was released because it was gift giving time not because it was done. The game doesnt even have proper sli support yet, even single card users arent getting the performance they should. Thats why an overall performance patch is on the way.

Battlefield 2 had the best outdoor graphics when it was released. If BF3 takes advantage of the next gen hardware then it may give Crysis a run for its money. I fear they may just use the same graphical level that Bad Company on console uses though.

A lot of games are being limited by consoles. Fear for instance had amazing graphics for its time. Fear 2 looks like only a slight graphical upgrade.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="catlin_czirr"]

I honestly do not see any game surpassing it (atleast in 08 that is)

EDIT: The closest to it IMO is Killzone 2, but this is a personal choice.

catlin_czirr

720p was standard for xbox 360 games. Look at it now. Most high profile games use under it, and then upscale. Sony bragged about there 1080p for so long, and so few games support it. So, i don't believe 720p is standard, BUT it might be all the thing can do. It doesn't have a fully working upscaler yet. But killzone 2? Nah. Its lighting is super good so far, but its textures are bad. Really, bad. But it doesn't come out for awhile either.

Well unless far cry 2 does it, I don't think the next game that overcomes crysis graphics wise has been announced yet.

which up coming game(s) do you think will have better graphics then Crysis?sabbath2gamer

Its going to take like three years before we see a game come out with better graphics then crysis. Crysis have already pushed PC hardware to the limit. Once we see the hardware catch up to Crysis, then we will see games at par or even better then Crysis.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]which up coming game(s) do you think will have better graphics then Crysis?Jd1680a

Its going to take like three years before we see a game come out with better graphics then crysis. Crysis have already pushed PC hardware to the limit. Once we see the hardware catch up to Crysis, then we will see games at par or even better then Crysis.

I think it is a good thing that no game will reach that level. We finally have a breather with hardware!

duke nukem forever

it will kick some maximum ass when it comes out in 2028

Farcry 2, its using an updated version of the CryTek Engine (the engine used in Crysis).

But it won't Overcome Crysis, because if you've done any research, you'll find out that Crysis actually has higher graphics settings that are going to be realeased over time, because the original graphics of Crysis are too high for PC's nowadays. No lie, look it up, Crysis is going to have continued support and graphical patches over the next 2 years, keeping it at the top.

Farcry 2, its using an updated version of the CryTek Engine (the engine used in Crysis).

But it won't Overcome Crysis, because if you've done any research, you'll find out that Crysis actually has higher graphics settings that are going to be realeased over time, because the original graphics of Crysis are too high for PC's nowadays. No lie, look it up, Crysis is going to have continued support and graphical patches over the next 2 years, keeping it at the top.

Rifkin-

Hey buddy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Cry_2#Engine

where do you think they made that engine from? ;)Rifkin-

Not that game. Its not even the same people who made Far Cry 1!

This is from your Wiki Page "Only 2 or 3 percent of the original CryENGINE code is being re-used, according to Michiel Verheijdt, Senior Product Manager for Ubisoft Netherlands."

sure thats a low percentage, but I guarentee you, it was the most important parts.

crysis will get an update to its graphics next year so....crysis will out do crysis i guess

and farcry2 uses a diffrent engine for some reason.. its like cryengine1 went onto extreem makerover or something

This is from your Wiki Page "Only 2 or 3 percent of the original CryENGINE code is being re-used, according to Michiel Verheijdt, Senior Product Manager for Ubisoft Netherlands."

sure thats a low percentage, but I guarentee you, it was the most important parts.

Rifkin-

Hey boyo! its a different engine! And heres a statistic: 65% of statistics are bullsh**

I hate these threads. Visual quality is so biased in favour of FPS games and engines. I personally think that the Total War games are consistently the best looking on PC. I think Empire will probably be the best looking game ever, bearing in mind that visual quality is a lot more than how pretty it looks.

But anyway, I think if Project Offset doesn't do it, we'll be waiting on an Unreal 3.5 engine game. That or one of the developers who licensed CryEngine 2 will modify it to a state that is visually better than Crysis... but I don't know of any games coming any time soon that fit that bill.

Remember that the Cry2 engine is futureproofed for over a year. There are only a few companies that can really go toe to toe. id, Epic, Valve. Valve doesn't look like it's pulling Source 2 out of its bag of tricks any time soon, Epic has already played its hand and id Tech 5 looks good, but I don't think it compares with Cry 2. That said, I haven't seen enough of it to really judge.

No, I think we're not going to see anything in 2008 that looks better than Crysis. It's a pretty hard thing to judge anyway, I'd say, when we're talking about close calls. FarCry 2 looks awesome - from a pure visual perspective, it doesn't look as good as Crysis... but then there are certain technologies that are related to the visuals that need to be factored in. Exactly how they're factored in, I don't know.

Plus it's also worth noting that while Crysis has a crazy awesome draw distance, it's almost always obscured by the thick jungles or climbing mountains. In FarCry 2, there are long, sweeping planes in all directions, at times. That has to count for something. But then, visual quality means nothing if the game doesn't run well. Ubisoft is notorious for its lack of PC love recently. How well will it run? We can only speculate. The Cry 2 engine runs very well on the hardware it's built for.

My guess is either Spore or Duke Nukem. But in all honesty, None is the best bet.roulettethedog

oh my god, dude! Spore looks downright UGLY with todays graphic standards! (yes, we are talking about graphics here) i bet it's gonna be a cool game though...

Battlefield 2 had the best outdoor graphics when it was released. If BF3 takes advantage of the next gen hardware then it may give Crysis a run for its money.

Cranler

You've got to be kidding me. Far Cry's outdoor environments were far, far beyond BF2's in my eyes. Heck, Half-Life 2's were even beyond it. Seriously, everything about BF2's graphics were averagely good even when it was first released; few people acknowledge the game for them. They weren't bad, they'd just already been outclassed in all aspects by games of as much as a year before.

Far Cry 2... maybe. Sins of a Solar Empire might do it for me too.smokeydabear076

Ahhh, Sins. That game truly does look incredible.

Again, when the topic of visuals arises, my mind defaults to thinking about shooters and disregards all else.

Until the arrive of Crysis the overall best looking fps in PC was probably S.T.A.L.K.E.R.; the Battlefield 2 engine was still impressive because his combination of huge enviroments, number of player supported and good wireframe modellig in general, but the textures were a bit reiterative and blurring (one of the reasons behind his great optimization).

If the id Tech 5 engine could scale in otdoor enviroments (with megatexture techniques) like in id Tech 4 Quake Wars, the graphic quality of the indoors in Gears it could be a great rival to Crysis. Also, Battlefield 3 could be another great rival, but I doubt that this will be launched in the 2008 window, and Crysis 2 probably arrives in 2009.

So, the real question is: how far is Crysis 2? Because I have the impression that Crysis is intentionally constrained because the actual hardware limitations. Assuming that wi will see Crysis 2 in 1,5-2 years, what games could arise in this lapse?

Far Cry 2 with his Dunia Engine seems the most solid contender: huge landscapes, atmospheric real time changes, interactive vegetation and growing system, fire propagation... but at the same time the modelling from characters, weapons and vehicles seems inferior. Rage could be another bigcontender, but Doom 3 has suffered a notable technical downgrade since his announcement. Project Offset looks amazing, but in a small scale: more close to the Dark Messiah with superb graphics than an open landscape game like Crysis, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or Far Cry 2. BF3? As I say probably not this year. Alan Wake seems inpressive, but probably you can't expect dozens of enemies fighting against you in this game.

So, my predictions: FC2 will be near to Crysis in some aspects, better in someones and worse in others, but the next great jump will arrive with Crysis 2 or some mod/game based in CE2.