What will be needed for a GTX 560?

Hi guys,

I'm planning to buy a GTX 560 Ti this month itself and I've already ordered for one. But now, I'm thinkig whether My current system config will be able to handle it. My rigs are given below. Please check it and see whether I need to change anything for being able to make it fit on my PC.

Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L

Intel Core 2 Duo @2.2 GHz

3GB DDR2 RAM

660GB HDD

It will be bottlenecked heaps by the slow C2D. What case and PSU do you have?C_Rule

You mean the processor won't show a big performance with GTX 560? But still, I can use GTX with C2D rit? I don't know actually what PSU I have. But there's a label on the back of the CPU - 230V, is that the one? If not, how to find it? I have a Mercury Cabinet but don't exactly know its model number. Will the MB be able to handle it?

Can't open the inside, but outside there's a 230V, I guess that is not the PSU's wattage. It is shown inside right? Maybe around 500.

Around 300 it is. Will it be enough?

No. You'll need a better power supply. At least 500w, and would be best to go for a known brand like Corsair or Antec.

No. You'll need a better power supply. At least 500w, and would be best to go for a known brand like Corsair or Antec.

broken_bass_bin

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No. You'll need a better power supply. At least 500w, and would be best to go for a known brand like Corsair or Antec.

sangeethmanayil

In the UK, one of those power supplies would cost about £70. According to Google, that's about 5,000 rupees, but I don't know what hardware prices are like over there.

OMG! I never thought it'd be about 5000. But that'll be for Corsair like premium ones. I usually gets those stuff from Zebronic which is so far a nice company. I got prices for a 500 Watt around 1000 for zebronics. OMG, PSUs should reduce the prices :P.

Hi guys,

I'm planning to buy a GTX 560 Ti this month itself and I've already ordered for one. But now, I'm thinkig whether My current system config will be able to handle it. My rigs are given below. Please check it and see whether I need to change anything for being able to make it fit on my PC.

Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L

Intel Core 2 Duo @2.2 GHz

3GB DDR2 RAM

660GB HDD

sangeethmanayil

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]

Hi guys,

I'm planning to buy a GTX 560 Ti this month itself and I've already ordered for one. But now, I'm thinkig whether My current system config will be able to handle it. My rigs are given below. Please check it and see whether I need to change anything for being able to make it fit on my PC.

Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L

Intel Core 2 Duo @2.2 GHz

3GB DDR2 RAM

660GB HDD

SalikSST

OMG! I never thought it'd be about 5000. But that'll be for Corsair like premium ones. I usually gets those stuff from Zebronic which is so far a nice company. I got prices for a 500 Watt around 1000 for zebronics. OMG, PSUs should reduce the prices :P.

sangeethmanayil

From my own research, Zembronics are a terrible brand of PSU that should be avoided at all costs.

A handy list of good to bad PSUs (Zembronics are Tier 5 = BAD!):

http://forums.firingsquad.com/t5/Hardware-Discussions/Unofficial-PSU-Ranking-List-What-s-the-best-PSU-to-buy/m-p/279117

And another:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088

What do you meran by changing the processor? I mean, will it have any incompatibility with the processor or MB? Currently, I have an E4500. And for the PSUs, here, the prices are quite terrible. The GTX 560 Ti itself has a lot of money. For a Corsair 500W, it costs around Rs. 3000.

What do you meran by changing the processor? I mean, will it have any incompatibility with the processor or MB? Currently, I have an E4500. And for the PSUs, here, the prices are quite terrible. The GTX 560 Ti itself has a lot of money. For a Corsair 500W, it costs around Rs. 3000.

sangeethmanayil

Im getting a new build soon and I am also getting a GTX 560 but it is the gigabyte SOC version. I am going with an AMD Phenom II x4 840 and a 650W PSU.

Im getting a new build soon and I am also getting a GTX 560 but it is the gigabyte SOC version. I am going with an AMD Phenom II x4 840 and a 650W PSU.

seanmcloughlin

Im getting a new build soon and I am also getting a GTX 560 but it is the gigabyte SOC version. I am going with an AMD Phenom II x4 840 and a 650W PSU.

seanmcloughlin

As I already said OC'ing that E4500 is a pize of cake, just bump the FSB up in BIOS and make sure that your ram is set to a lower divider, 266FSB is 2.92Ghz with the stock multipler (witch is 11) It will give you another 30% performance out of your CPU and will manage to run just about any game fine but not the ones that *NEED a quadcore.

(* "need" and "make use of" isn't nearly the same, many games support more than two cores but will run fine on a dualcore.)

Edit: fixed -some- of the typos.

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]

What do you meran by changing the processor? I mean, will it have any incompatibility with the processor or MB? Currently, I have an E4500. And for the PSUs, here, the prices are quite terrible. The GTX 560 Ti itself has a lot of money. For a Corsair 500W, it costs around Rs. 3000.

C_Rule

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Im getting a new build soon and I am also getting a GTX 560 but it is the gigabyte SOC version. I am going with an AMD Phenom II x4 840 and a 650W PSU.

swehunt

As I already said OC'ing that E4500 is a pize of cake, just bump the FSB up in BIOS and make sure that your ram is set to a lower divider, 266FSB is 2.92Ghz with the stock multipler (witch is 11) It will give you another 30% performance out of your CPU and will manage to run just about any game fine but not the ones that *NEED a quadcore.

(* "need" and "make use of" isn't nearly the same, many games support more than two cores but will run fine on a dualcore.)

Edit: fixed -some- of the typos.

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Im getting a new build soon and I am also getting a GTX 560 but it is the gigabyte SOC version. I am going with an AMD Phenom II x4 840 and a 650W PSU.

sangeethmanayil

As I already said OC'ing that E4500 is a pize of cake, just bump the FSB up in BIOS and make sure that your ram is set to a lower divider, 266FSB is 2.92Ghz with the stock multipler (witch is 11) It will give you another 30% performance out of your CPU and will manage to run just about any game fine but not the ones that *NEED a quadcore.

(* "need" and "make use of" isn't nearly the same, many games support more than two cores but will run fine on a dualcore.)

Edit: fixed -some- of the typos.

What PSU did you get?C_Rule

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]What PSU did you get?sangeethmanayil

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"][QUOTE="swehunt"] Start by OC'ing your CPU, it's practical free and will give you much more performance.

As I already said OC'ing that E4500 is a pize of cake, just bump the FSB up in BIOS and make sure that your ram is set to a lower divider, 266FSB is 2.92Ghz with the stock multipler (witch is 11) It will give you another 30% performance out of your CPU and will manage to run just about any game fine but not the ones that *NEED a quadcore.

(* "need" and "make use of" isn't nearly the same, many games support more than two cores but will run fine on a dualcore.)

Edit: fixed -some- of the typos.

swehunt

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]
You mean like really "overclocking" the CPU? But that'll need more cooling than stock right? If it doesn't, I don't know how to overclock unless there is any simple software to overclock it? (Heard of RivaTuner, will it help?). If it's safe, I'll do.

And to all.....Bought a new PSU for about 1500 INR :D! Must be around 650W.sangeethmanayil

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]
You mean like really "overclocking" the CPU? But that'll need more cooling than stock right? If it doesn't, I don't know how to overclock unless there is any simple software to overclock it? (Heard of RivaTuner, will it help?). If it's safe, I'll do.

And to all.....Bought a new PSU for about 1500 INR :D! Must be around 650W.sangeethmanayil

I own a E4500 that is used in one of the older HTPC's and 3Ghz on the stock cooler is possible, 2.5-2.7Ghz is no problem at all if you dont add vcore, a 212+ or a ACfreezer 7pro is very cheap but not neccisery if you dont go over 2.8-3Ghz.

What causes damage is in 99/100 cases a Vcore set higher than the recomended max from AMD/Intel the frequency is usally not a problem, ram modules is more tricky as they can fail from to high OC, but as said erlier you wont run the outside their recommended spec. and they wont brake.

Some say CPU's degrade, im more prone to think motherboards degrade than the CPU but this is something happening over a VERY loooooong time, i have been running OC'ed PC HW since -forever and dont recall a faliure ever related to OCing.

If you do everyting correct (as in OC'ing thru bios) the parts will live longer than you want to keep using them, that E4500 i have had @ 2.9-3.3Ghz since it was brought when it was new. ( 2008 ) and it works perfectly even today. Oc'ing is not as dangerous if you dont increase the voltage, the 20-40% increased frequancy wont kill the hardware.

And the small from 2.2 to 2.7Ghz difference is all safe if you dont go overboard with voltage.

Donot overclock if you donot have the right knowlegde or not sure how to do it.It can be risky and can damage your PC.

Donot overclock if you donot have the right knowlegde or not sure how to do it.It can be risky and can damage your PC.

MUR1217

Just creating awareness but he can go ahead if he wants to because it is his PC and his decision after all.

Just creating awareness but he can go ahead if he wants to because it is his PC and his decision after all.

MUR1217

[QUOTE="MUR1217"]

Just creating awareness but he can go ahead if he wants to because it is his PC and his decision after all.

sangeethmanayil

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"][QUOTE="MUR1217"]

Just creating awareness but he can go ahead if he wants to because it is his PC and his decision after all.

swehunt

The 560 will still work with the C2D, but some games will see little to no performance jump. Your PSU should have a sticker on it, and on that sticker it should have the wattage.C_Rule

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]The 560 will still work with the C2D, but some games will see little to no performance jump. Your PSU should have a sticker on it, and on that sticker it should have the wattage.DJ_Headshot

@swehunt or any others, if you are hearing this. I got to understand about the FSB and stuff. But if you could just tell me, with my current BIOS (Energy star BIOS, Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L) it might be better. And I didn't understand on Reducing the Ram frequency or something you told. I coudln't see it anywhere in my BIOS. You got to help me, I never did any OCing before. And also, would I need to increase the Fan speed? Saw some YT videos showing how to OC E4500 but the guys on the vid are just changing the frequency and the volatge and saving it. So please, enlighten me more on this topic. I can't take a risk of damaging my processor. And will 2.5GHz or 2.6GHz can stop the bottleneck? And can I reach to 2.6GHz with the current specs? I'm just a beginner :D.

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"][QUOTE="C_Rule"]What PSU did you get?C_Rule

@swehunt or any others, if you are hearing this. I got to understand about the FSB and stuff. But if you could just tell me, with my current BIOS (Energy star BIOS, Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L) it might be better. And I didn't understand on Reducing the Ram frequency or something you told. I coudln't see it anywhere in my BIOS. You got to help me, I never did any OCing before. And also, would I need to increase the Fan speed? Saw some YT videos showing how to OC E4500 but the guys on the vid are just changing the frequency and the volatge and saving it. So please, enlighten me more on this topic. I can't take a risk of damaging my processor. And will 2.5GHz or 2.6GHz can stop the bottleneck? And can I reach to 2.6GHz with the current specs? I'm just a beginner :D.

sangeethmanayil

System Memory Multiplier
Allows you to set the system memory multiplier. Options are dependent on CPU FSB. Auto sets
memory multiplier according to memory SPD data. (Default: Auto)
Memory Frequency (Mhz)
The memory frequency value is automatically adjusted according to the CPU Host Frequency
(Mhz) and System Memory Multiplier settings.

Just head into BIOS and find these settings from the "system memory multiplier", when you change it (like 1:25/1:1 or whatever your ram use stock) you should be able to determin the ACTUAL speed with the Mhz the "Memory frequency" Just raise the FSB first and under system memory lower the ram module to a lower freq. (1:1 is lower than 1:2 as an exsample.)

So:

1) Raise FSB (233 is a start/2.65Ghz)

2) Lower the actual Mhz via the system memory Multiplier.

3) Check the actual speed via what it says under Memory Frequency, you will need to try several multipliers under "system memory Multiplier" to find the correct one.

Remember these Mhz will raise relative to the FSB and since you want to run the memory at/near it's stock settings you need to run a different multiplier/divider for the ram modules, so for raising the FSB of the CPU will raise the effective clock for the ram modules and by letting them run slower to start with will let you run the CPU overclocked to match the ram modules @ their stock speed since you lowered the speed of them.

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]

@swehunt or any others, if you are hearing this. I got to understand about the FSB and stuff. But if you could just tell me, with my current BIOS (Energy star BIOS, Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L) it might be better. And I didn't understand on Reducing the Ram frequency or something you told. I coudln't see it anywhere in my BIOS. You got to help me, I never did any OCing before. And also, would I need to increase the Fan speed? Saw some YT videos showing how to OC E4500 but the guys on the vid are just changing the frequency and the volatge and saving it. So please, enlighten me more on this topic. I can't take a risk of damaging my processor. And will 2.5GHz or 2.6GHz can stop the bottleneck? And can I reach to 2.6GHz with the current specs? I'm just a beginner :D.

swehunt

System Memory Multiplier
Allows you to set the system memory multiplier. Options are dependent on CPU FSB. Auto sets
memory multiplier according to memory SPD data. (Default: Auto)
Memory Frequency (Mhz)
The memory frequency value is automatically adjusted according to the CPU Host Frequency
(Mhz) and System Memory Multiplier settings.

Just head into BIOS and find these settings from the "system memory multiplier", when you change it (like 1:25/1:1 or whatever your ram use stock) you should be able to determin the ACTUAL speed with the Mhz the "Memory frequency" Just raise the FSB first and under system memory lower the ram module to a lower freq. (1:1 is lower than 1:2 as an exsample.)

So:

1) Raise FSB (233 is a start/2.65Ghz)

2) Lower the actual Mhz via the system memory Multiplier.

3) Check the actual speed via what it says under Memory Frequency, you will need to try several multipliers under "system memory Multiplier" to find the correct one.

Remember these Mhz will raise relative to the FSB and since you want to run the memory at/near it's stock settings you need to run a different multiplier/divider for the ram modules, so for raising the FSB of the CPU will raise the effective clock for the ram modules and by letting them run slower to start with will let you run the CPU overclocked to match the ram modules @ their stock speed since you lowered the speed of them.

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]

@swehunt or any others, if you are hearing this. I got to understand about the FSB and stuff. But if you could just tell me, with my current BIOS (Energy star BIOS, Gigabyte GA 945GCM-S2L) it might be better. And I didn't understand on Reducing the Ram frequency or something you told. I coudln't see it anywhere in my BIOS. You got to help me, I never did any OCing before. And also, would I need to increase the Fan speed? Saw some YT videos showing how to OC E4500 but the guys on the vid are just changing the frequency and the volatge and saving it. So please, enlighten me more on this topic. I can't take a risk of damaging my processor. And will 2.5GHz or 2.6GHz can stop the bottleneck? And can I reach to 2.6GHz with the current specs? I'm just a beginner :D.

sangeethmanayil

System Memory Multiplier
Allows you to set the system memory multiplier. Options are dependent on CPU FSB. Auto sets
memory multiplier according to memory SPD data. (Default: Auto)
Memory Frequency (Mhz)
The memory frequency value is automatically adjusted according to the CPU Host Frequency
(Mhz) and System Memory Multiplier settings.

Just head into BIOS and find these settings from the "system memory multiplier", when you change it (like 1:25/1:1 or whatever your ram use stock) you should be able to determin the ACTUAL speed with the Mhz the "Memory frequency" Just raise the FSB first and under system memory lower the ram module to a lower freq. (1:1 is lower than 1:2 as an exsample.)

So:

1) Raise FSB (233 is a start/2.65Ghz)

2) Lower the actual Mhz via the system memory Multiplier.

3) Check the actual speed via what it says under Memory Frequency, you will need to try several multipliers under "system memory Multiplier" to find the correct one.

Remember these Mhz will raise relative to the FSB and since you want to run the memory at/near it's stock settings you need to run a different multiplier/divider for the ram modules, so for raising the FSB of the CPU will raise the effective clock for the ram modules and by letting them run slower to start with will let you run the CPU overclocked to match the ram modules @ their stock speed since you lowered the speed of them.

I would like you to DL CPUID and check every parameter what it says.

CPU/MB/RAM and what it runs @.

@swehunt,

Yes, in the BIOS, in the disabled state of CPU Host Frequency Control, the CPU HOST FREQUENCY shows 266. Memory Frequency appears to be 667.

@swehunt,

Yes, in the BIOS, in the disabled state of CPU Host Frequency Control, the CPU HOST FREQUENCY shows 266. Memory Frequency appears to be 667.

sangeethmanayil

Heres a screenie from your manual, What you need to do is:

1) Enable CPU host clock control.

2) Change that value to 266.

3) "If" your allowed to change the "CPU clock ratio" then set it to 10. 10*266= 2,66Ghz/11*266=2.9Ghz

4) Save and exit bios, if you make it into windows DL prime95 and run a stress test for a half hour.

If you can't enter windows or even bios after the OC then clear CMOS.

Thanks mate. So, there is no need of changing the multiplier? I can't see Clock Ratio. I'll try it and post it as soon as I get it to work. :)

Thanks mate. So, there is no need of changing the multiplier? I can't see Clock Ratio. I'll try it and post it as soon as I get it to work. :)

sangeethmanayil

The multiplier as in "CPU clock ratio"? It's optimal for it to be at stock 11 but im not entirely sure you will go that far without adding more vcore, and this being your first time OC i would advice against it, trying wont damage anything tho. :)

If you are alowed to change it to 10 then do that first, with those settings you should have no trouble starting the PC up in windows, so dont touch anything else but the "CPU host" = enable and set to 266, and "CPU clock ratio" = 10.

...So, go ahead and try now. ;)

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Thanks mate. So, there is no need of changing the multiplier? I can't see Clock Ratio. I'll try it and post it as soon as I get it to work. :)

swehunt

The multiplier as in "CPU clock ratio"? It's optimal for it to be at stock 11 but im not entirely sure you will go that far without adding more vcore, and this being your first time OC i would advice against it, trying wont damage anything tho. :)

If you are alowed to change it to 10 then do that first, with those settings you should have no trouble starting the PC up in windows, so dont touch anything else but the "CPU host" = enable and set to 266, and "CPU clock ratio" = 10.

...So, go ahead and try now. ;)

[QUOTE="swehunt"]

[QUOTE="sangeethmanayil"]

Thanks mate. So, there is no need of changing the multiplier? I can't see Clock Ratio. I'll try it and post it as soon as I get it to work. :)

sangeethmanayil

The multiplier as in "CPU clock ratio"? It's optimal for it to be at stock 11 but im not entirely sure you will go that far without adding more vcore, and this being your first time OC i would advice against it, trying wont damage anything tho. :)

If you are alowed to change it to 10 then do that first, with those settings you should have no trouble starting the PC up in windows, so dont touch anything else but the "CPU host" = enable and set to 266, and "CPU clock ratio" = 10.

...So, go ahead and try now. ;)