What's a better 32 inch gaming TV: This 720p Samsung or this 1080p Toshiba?

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#1 Jason_A
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I'm getting a 32 inch HDTV for my PS3 and 360 (and the occassional DVD and Blu-Ray) and will be sitting pretty close (5 feet, which meets the minimum reccommended distance)

I'm deciding between the SamsungLN32C450 which is a 720p TV and the Toshiba32E200U which is a 1080p TV.

Both are available for $500 Canadian (which is basically the same as US). The Samsung is regularly $500 while the Toshiba is a $550 TV on sale for $500.

I prefer Samsung over Toshiba generally and the physical TV looks much cooler so I want to get the Samsung, but I'm wondering if I should get the Toshiba because it's 1080p and since I'll be sitting close to the TV.

Thanks for any advise.

Here are links:

-http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/samsung-samsung-32-lcd-hdtv-ln32c450-ln32c450e1dxzc/10141742.aspx?path=a498b375ae3e11e187f9f196aeee6d34en02

-http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/toshiba-toshiba-32-1080p-lcd-hdtv-32e200u-32e200u/10141055.aspx?path=aa76eaa24a8355400ce132c232e7c491en02&lid=fp-10141055-toshibatoshiba321080plcdhdtv32-en


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#2 WiiRocks66
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The Samsung. A better brand, and you need to be closer than 4 feet with a 32 inch TV for 1080p to matter.

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#3 PcGamingRig
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i don't think their are that many console games that are 1080p anyway, most are 720p so go for your favourite, but if you want to watch 1080p movies go for other one :)

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#4 soulreaper-4
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At that distance you're good with 32 or 26 inch tv. Personally i would go with the Samsung. Samsung features much better colors than the other. Colors is the most important think to look at follow by resolution and almost every game is just 720. If you find a Samsung 1080p go for it without thinking twice.
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#5 Gregoroth
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I'd probably get the Toshiba. I prefer them over Samsung and they're a Japanese based company ('09 models were assembled in the UK). From what I've read, Toshiba sets generally have one of the lowest input lag values for LCD's, second only to Panasonic. I would have thought 5ft may be slightly too far to benefit from 1080p on a 32" but then, if you ever get dead pixels, you wouldn't see them on a 1080p display because the pixels would be too small.
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[QUOTE="Gregoroth"]I'd probably get the Toshiba. I prefer them over Samsung and they're a Japanese based company ('09 models were assembled in the UK). From what I've read, Toshiba sets generally have one of the lowest input lag values for LCD's, second only to Panasonic. I would have thought 5ft may be slightly too far to benefit from 1080p on a 32" but then, if you ever get dead pixels, you wouldn't see them on a 1080p display because the pixels would be too small.

I'm no genius but you can still sit at 2-3 fts away and still won't notice a big difference. My grandma bought one toshiba and it really looked cheap and the color quality wasn't the best. She ended changing it for a much better one. Sitting closer = more pixelated image Samsung > Toshiba
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Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.
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Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.Tigarian
It's not the contrast. The number of contrast has became more of a marketing trick. The most important think is the color saturation ( Video processor).

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.

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[QUOTE="Tigarian"]Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.soulreaper-4

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.



Well that depends on the size of the TV and the resolution. Sitting the same distance from a 32" 1080p to a 32" 720p, then yes, you might see the pixels, but you would not on a 1080p TV. Its not just as simple as saying what you are.

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[QUOTE="Tigarian"]Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.soulreaper-4

It's not the contrast. The number of contrast has became more of a marketing trick. The most important think is the color saturation ( Video processor).

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.

Yes contrast ratios, particularly "dynamic" contrast ratio numbers don't have a lot of meaning in the real world but the fact is some lcds, especially cheaper ones, have trouble with darks, especially in a contrasty scene.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]

[QUOTE="Tigarian"]Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.shawty1984

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.



Well that depends on the size of the TV and the resolution. Sitting the same distance from a 32" 1080p to a 32" 720p, then yes, you might see the pixels, but you would not on a 1080p TV. Its not just as simple as saying what you are.

So if you have a 32 inches 1080p HDTV you will appreciate it and get the best image by sitting 2 or 3 fts away? Wow then when 32 inches with higher resolutions became available we will have to eat the screen in order to appreciate the details.

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#12 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.

soulreaper-4



Well that depends on the size of the TV and the resolution. Sitting the same distance from a 32" 1080p to a 32" 720p, then yes, you might see the pixels, but you would not on a 1080p TV. Its not just as simple as saying what you are.

So if you have a 32 inches 1080p HDTV you will appreciate it and get the best image by sitting 2 or 3 fts away? Wow then when 32 inches with higher resolutions became available we will have to eat the screen in order to appreciate the details.



Yes (well near enough right), thought this was pretty common knowledge?

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[QUOTE="Tigarian"]Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.soulreaper-4

It's not the contrast. The number of contrast has became more of a marketing trick. The most important think is the color saturation ( Video processor).

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.

That's black crush, which is a common problem with LCDs, not a problem with colors. They go hand in hand though.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]

[QUOTE="Tigarian"]Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.WiiRocks66

It's not the contrast. The number of contrast has became more of a marketing trick. The most important think is the color saturation ( Video processor).

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.

You're right but not completely. Some LCDs doesn't produce darker colors right. One with relatively good black but with a superb or great color reproduction ability will always look better. Contrast = Darker Black color That's black crush, which is a common problem with LCDs, not a problem with colors. They go hand in hand though.

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So if you have a 32 inches 1080p HDTV you will appreciate it and get the best image by sitting 2 or 3 fts away? Wow then when 32 inches with higher resolutions became available we will have to eat the screen in order to appreciate the details.

soulreaper-4

At those sizes, yes, although 2ft is extreme. The general recommended seating distance for 1080p on 32" is nearer 4ft. That's why the intended use for 1080p is either computer monitor (very close) or large scale TV's such as 50"+ (sitting further away but still benefiting from the resolution because of screen size) because the idea is that a TV is supposed to be watched from a distance.

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Yeah. I, too, would go for the Samsung.

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[QUOTE="Gregoroth"]I'd probably get the Toshiba. I prefer them over Samsung and they're a Japanese based company ('09 models were assembled in the UK). From what I've read, Toshiba sets generally have one of the lowest input lag values for LCD's, second only to Panasonic. I would have thought 5ft may be slightly too far to benefit from 1080p on a 32" but then, if you ever get dead pixels, you wouldn't see them on a 1080p display because the pixels would be too small.

I sorta agree with this. I have a 26 in Toshiba LCD and a 50in Toshiba DLP. I also have a 32in Samsung, which is only 720p , in the bedroom, but its picture always looks crisp. It seems to rival that of my Sony 46 1080p Bravia in the living room. So I would say the Samsung is probably a bit better of a brand.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]So if you have a 32 inches 1080p HDTV you will appreciate it and get the best image by sitting 2 or 3 fts away? Wow then when 32 inches with higher resolutions became available we will have to eat the screen in order to appreciate the details.

Gregoroth

At those sizes, yes, although 2ft is extreme. The general recommended seating distance for 1080p on 32" is nearer 4ft. That's why the intended use for 1080p is either computer monitor (very close) or large scale TV's such as 50"+ (sitting further away but still benefiting from the resolution because of screen size) because the idea is that a TV is supposed to be watched from a distance.

4 fts is the closest if you want to but not the best distance.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]

[QUOTE="Tigarian"]Just be careful with cheaper lcd tvs contrast ratios. My parents bought a cheaper 32 inch Toshiba 720p lcd and it looks fine in bright outdoor scenes but night/shadow scenes can be almost impossible to make out. As for the resolution, it's not a big deal for this console generation, although you might end up deciding to hook up a pc or blu-ray player in which case you can tell the difference if you're close enough.Tigarian

It's not the contrast. The number of contrast has became more of a marketing trick. The most important think is the color saturation ( Video processor).

SITTING CLOSER = MORE PIXELATED IMAGE.

Yes contrast ratios, particularly "dynamic" contrast ratio numbers don't have a lot of meaning in the real world but the fact is some lcds, especially cheaper ones, have trouble with darks, especially in a contrasty scene.

Those contrast numbers are always an exaggeration. A samsung or bravia with 5000 can look better than 10000 from another brand. Each manufacture calculate these numbers differently.
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COLOR SATURATION > NUMBER OF CONTRAST.
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#21 Gregoroth
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COLOR SATURATION > NUMBER OF CONTRAST.soulreaper-4
Colour saturation is directly related to how good the contrast ratio is.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]COLOR SATURATION > NUMBER OF CONTRAST.Gregoroth
Colour saturation is directly related to how good the contrast ratio is.

Sorry buddy go and read some articles in CNET.COM. Contrast represent how black the black is and how white the white is. THE VIDEO ENGINE IS WHAT WILL SHOW THE QUALITY OF THE REST OF THE COLORS. Example from Sony: Bravia Engine 1, 2 and 3.
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[QUOTE="Gregoroth"][QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]COLOR SATURATION > NUMBER OF CONTRAST.soulreaper-4
Colour saturation is directly related to how good the contrast ratio is.

Sorry buddy go and read some articles in CNET.COM. Contrast represent how black the black is and how white the white is. THE VIDEO ENGINE IS WHAT WILL SHOW THE QUALITY OF THE REST OF THE COLORS. Example from Sony: Bravia Engine 1, 2 and 3.

And better black levels should produce better colours. You can't seriously say when you change the contrast on your TV, the colours aren't affected...The colour reproduction enhancements from a video engine are really only going to matter when dealing with SD or when turning on "dynamic" to wow the average joe in a floodlit store.
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32 doesnt need 1080p. samsung always over toshiba and often over sony which is just over priced

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#25 shawty1984
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32 doesnt need 1080p.

lbhocky19



Obviously don't know what your talking about then.