Ok sorry if this was brought up before but i have a PS3 Hdmi hook up to my Sony Bravia XBR. And my Bravia only goes to 1080i.Now someone told me that 720p was better than 1080i. Is this true because i want to play on my PS3 with the best option possible? help anyone??
On a native 1080p tv or 1080i crt, 1080i is much better. But on a native 720p tv, 720p is better. Since your max res is 1080i, I'm assuming that your native res is 720p... so go with 720p...
Actually, on a native 1080p tv or 1080i crt, 1080i is as sharp as 1080p. On a 1080i crt, odd lines are flashed one cycle of the cathode ray, and even lines the next. On a 1080p tv, the images are combined to create a 1080p image. Either way, the resolution of the final image is still 1920 x 1080...
Actually, on a native 1080p tv or 1080i crt, 1080i is as sharp as 1080p. On a 1080i crt, odd lines are flashed one cycle of the cathode ray, and even lines the next. On a 1080p tv, the images are combined to create a 1080p image. Either way, the resolution of the final image is still 1920 x 1080...
Actually, on a native 1080p tv or 1080i crt, 1080i is as sharp as 1080p. On a 1080i crt, odd lines are flashed one cycle of the cathode ray, and even lines the next. On a 1080p tv, the images are combined to create a 1080p image. Either way, the resolution of the final image is still 1920 x 1080...
Where did you hear that from?
lol... I like to read up on technology. Plus I have a 1080i crt....
Actually, on a native 1080p tv or 1080i crt, 1080i is as sharp as 1080p. On a 1080i crt, odd lines are flashed one cycle of the cathode ray, and even lines the next. On a 1080p tv, the images are combined to create a 1080p image. Either way, the resolution of the final image is still 1920 x 1080...
Where did you hear that from?
lol... I like to read up on technology. Plus I have a 1080i crt....
Yea, I do too. On a native 1080p tv, 1080i does not look as good as 1080p though.
Only time I'd choose 1080i over 720p is on a native 1080i tv, so plasmas and crts only, and on still images.
Actually, on a native 1080p tv or 1080i crt, 1080i is as sharp as 1080p. On a 1080i crt, odd lines are flashed one cycle of the cathode ray, and even lines the next. On a 1080p tv, the images are combined to create a 1080p image. Either way, the resolution of the final image is still 1920 x 1080...
Where did you hear that from?
lol... I like to read up on technology. Plus I have a 1080i crt....
Yea, I do too. On a native 1080p tv, 1080i does not look as good as 1080p though.
Only time I'd choose 1080i over 720p is on a native 1080i tv, so plasmas and crts only, and on still images.
I didn't say it looks quite as good, but it is just a sharp... 1920 x 1080. On a 1080p tv, it all depends on the deinterlace filter. If a tv has a good one, 1080i and 1080p look almost identical. And plasmas are like LCD's, they can't natively be 1080i. All of them that I've seen are closer to XGA natively (1024x1024)
I didn't say it looks quite as good, but it is just a sharp... 1920 x 1080. On a 1080p tv, it all depends on the deinterlace filter. If a tv has a good one, 1080i and 1080p look almost identical. And plasmas are like LCD's, they can't natively be 1080i. All of them that I've seen are closer to XGA natively (1024x1024)-GeordiLaForge-
I thought that plasmas can have 1080i native? I know LCDs can't though.
Also, this is the first I've heard of 1080i being able to look as sharp as 1080p, naively speaking. I browse avsform frequently, not saying you're wrong, but it's news to me if true.
I didn't say it looks quite as good, but it is just a sharp... 1920 x 1080. On a 1080p tv, it all depends on the deinterlace filter. If a tv has a good one, 1080i and 1080p look almost identical. And plasmas are like LCD's, they can't natively be 1080i. All of them that I've seen are closer to XGA natively (1024x1024)Chutebox
I thought that plasmas can have 1080i native? I know LCDs can't though.
Nah, only crt's. Any display with fixed pixels is natively progressive. No big deal though. I'm glad I could help you out ;)
Also, this is the first I've heard of 1080i being able to look as sharp as 1080p, naively speaking. I browse avsform frequently, not saying you're wrong, but it's news to me if true.Chutebox
Well, technically they're displayed at the same resolution... 1920 x 1080. But on a 1080p tv, when the deinterlace filter fills in the gaps to make it 60fps, it can look slightly distorted. And most 1080i crt's aren't truly 1080i. They merely have 1080 horizontal scan lines, but lack the horizontal resolution of 1920 vertical scan lines. In fact most 1080i crt's display about the same number of pixels horizontally and vertically. So in that regard, 1080i is not as sharp on alot of 1080i crt's. And although just as sharp on 1080p tv's, 1080i won't look as good as 1080p.
I didn't say it looks quite as good, but it is just a sharp... 1920 x 1080. On a 1080p tv, it all depends on the deinterlace filter. If a tv has a good one, 1080i and 1080p look almost identical. And plasmas are like LCD's, they can't natively be 1080i. All of them that I've seen are closer to XGA natively (1024x1024)-GeordiLaForge-
I thought that plasmas can have 1080i native? I know LCDs can't though.
Nah, only crt's. Any display with fixed pixels is natively progressive. No big deal though. I'm glad I could help you out ;)This is true. I've been doing research on HDTVs as well and I've found that 1080i and 1080p are basically equal when dealing with plasma.
If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.
If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.Darthmatt
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...
[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.-GeordiLaForge-
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...Sure is you like interlaced flicker and ghosting on your screen. LCDs are native Progressive scan, but not native to interlaced signals (needs to be de-interlaced in frame buffer). So 720p > 1080i on LCD.
[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.Darthmatt
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...Sure is you like interlaced flicker and ghosting on your screen. LCDs are native Progressive scan, but not native to interlaced signals (needs to be de-interlaced). So 720 > 1080i on LCD.Not on a 1080p lcd my friend. The image is deinterlaced and shown at full 1920 x 1080 resolution. And sorry, but 1920 x 1080 > 1280 x 720.... 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels 1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixels
[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.-GeordiLaForge-
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...Sure is you like interlaced flicker and ghosting on your screen. LCDs are native Progressive scan, but not native to interlaced signals (needs to be de-interlaced). So 720 > 1080i on LCD.Not on a 1080p lcd my friend. The image is deinterlaced and shown at full 1920 x 1080 resolution. And sorry, but 1920 x 1080 > 1280 x 720....resolution wise 1080i may be better, but you will get better picture quality with Progressive scan on an LCD in 720p, because its the native display format.
[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.Darthmatt
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...Sure is you like interlaced flicker and ghosting on your screen. LCDs are native Progressive scan, but not native to interlaced signals (needs to be de-interlaced). So 720 > 1080i on LCD.Not on a 1080p lcd my friend. The image is deinterlaced and shown at full 1920 x 1080 resolution. And sorry, but 1920 x 1080 > 1280 x 720....resolution wise 1080i may be better, but you will get better picture quality with Progressive scan on an LCD in 720p, because its the native display format.But if the native resolution is 1080p, then 720p will look blocky as hell. 720p looks horrible on 1080p lcd's. Trust me everyone, 1080i is MUCH better on a 1080p LCD....
[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.-GeordiLaForge-
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...Sure is you like interlaced flicker and ghosting on your screen. LCDs are native Progressive scan, but not native to interlaced signals (needs to be de-interlaced). So 720 > 1080i on LCD.Not on a 1080p lcd my friend. The image is deinterlaced and shown at full 1920 x 1080 resolution. And sorry, but 1920 x 1080 > 1280 x 720....resolution wise 1080i may be better, but you will get better picture quality with Progressive scan on an LCD in 720p, because its the native display format.But if the native resolution is 1080p, then 720p will look blocky as hell. 720p looks horrible on 1080p lcd's. Trust me everyone, 1080i is MUCH better on a 1080p LCD....Thats the most absurd thing I've heard all day. Its like saying puls is better than dial tone on a cordless phone. Trust me on this one, progressive scan video looks way better than interlaced on an LCD. Interlaced is native to CRTs where an energy beam is actually shooting electrons through a vacuum to light up the filaments. CRTs scan every other line of a frame, then interlace every other line of the next frame between the lines of the current frame. LCDs use a layer of Liquid crystal that gets excited by an electric currents and draws each frame one at a time in sequential lines, not every other line like interlaced does. On an LCD the interlaced signal needs to store the next frame in a buffer and stitch it together via de-interlacing and can lead to ghosting or blurring in certain situations. The fact that a LCD has to de-interlace an interlaced signal should tell you that its no the optimal format.
[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]If you own a LCD or plasma screen TV, 720p > 1080i. 1080 may be higher resolution but interlaced signal is not native to the LCD or plasma screen display. Interlaced is native to CRT monitors.Darthmatt
1080i is much better than 720p on a 1080p LCD or plasma...Sure is you like interlaced flicker and ghosting on your screen. LCDs are native Progressive scan, but not native to interlaced signals (needs to be de-interlaced). So 720 > 1080i on LCD.Not on a 1080p lcd my friend. The image is deinterlaced and shown at full 1920 x 1080 resolution. And sorry, but 1920 x 1080 > 1280 x 720....resolution wise 1080i may be better, but you will get better picture quality with Progressive scan on an LCD in 720p, because its the native display format.But if the native resolution is 1080p, then 720p will look blocky as hell. 720p looks horrible on 1080p lcd's. Trust me everyone, 1080i is MUCH better on a 1080p LCD....Thats the most absurd thing I've heard all day. Its like saying puls is better than dial tone on a cordless phone. Trust me on this one, progressive scan video looks way better than interlaced on an LCD. Interlaced is native to CRTs where an energy beam is actually shooting electrons through a vacuum to light up the filaments. CRTs scan every other line of a frame, then interlace every other line of the next frame between the lines of the current frame. LCDs use a layer of Liquid crystal that gets excited by an electric currents and draws each frame one at a time in sequential lines, not every other line like interlaced does. On an LCD the interlaced signal needs to store the next frame in a buffer and stitch it together via de-interlacing and can lead to ghosting or blurring in certain situations. The fact that a LCD has to de-interlace an interlaced signal should tell you that its no the optimal format. If you read my previous posts, you'll know that I know how various tv's work. But if you have a decent 1080p lcd, the deinterlace filter will make a 1080i image look almost identical to a 1080p image. So sorry, but you're wrong... 1920x1080 > 1280x720... even if the image has to be deinterlaced....
/\ I wish I could believe you but its just not so. I've sampled this myself. When I got my PS3 I started running it in 1080i, and you know what? It was terriible. I was playing Oblivion, The light and shadow was washed out and evertime I went into a dungeon or cave there was a little ghosting that made it blurry when I moved. Switching it back to progressive scan it looked great because it wasnt trying to fill render and fill every other line of the current and next frame. The only part I will conceed is actually watching TV, 1080i looks better than 720p, but not for video games. Plus how could 1080i be better than 1080p on an LCD? It doesnt make sense to me.
/\ I wish I could believe you but its just not so. I've sampled this myself. When I got my PS3 I started running it in 1080i, and you know what? It was terriible. I was playing Oblivion, The light and shadow was washed out and evertime I went into a dungeon or cave there was a little ghosting that made it blurry when I moved. Switching it back to progressive scan it looked great because it wasnt trying to fill render and fill every other line of the current and next frame. The only part I will conceed is actually watching TV, 1080i looks better than 720p, but not for video games. Plus how could 1080i be better than 1080p on an LCD? It doesnt make sense to me.Darthmatt
Not better, but close to 1080p. IT all depends on your tv's deinterlace filter. If your tv has a good one, 1080i and 1080p look almost identical. If your tv's deinterlace filter is subpar, then distortions will occur. So let's just put it this way. 1080i is better as long as your tv's deinterlace filter is up to snuff. But if the deinterlace filter is outdated, then 720p will look better. Either way, we're both right. It just depends on the tv.....
P.S. - Either way, I hope there are no hard feelings. I love a good debate ;) See you around homie....-GeordiLaForge-
Oh of course not, the forums get a little stale anyways. a healthy debate never hurts anyone :) I just feel you shouldnt have to bother with an interlaced filter if you can just run things in progressive scan. However, I agree that its not a big deal with movies and TV. I've watched Blu-ray movies in 1080i and it doesnt look at all bad. I suppose I am looking at the issues from a video game output perspective. My advice to anyone who wants to see what works better for their own TV should test out a video game using interlaced and progessive scan. Find a spot with a lot of color and light then move the camera around quickly. If you see blurring while using interlaced you should switch to progressive scan, unless it doesnt bother you.
Interlacing displays half of the actual resolution at any given moment. In the case of 1080i, you would be getting 540 horizontal lines at any given moment on the screen. Albeit the refresh rate is fast enough that you will not see a difference (1/30th of a second) but it does matter when it comes to motion. Which is why most sportscast HDTV content are recorded in 720p over 1080i sitcoms.
To answer your question regarding PS3, most of the games available on it are native 720p anyways. On my friend's 1080p Sharp LCD it played Drake's Fortune on 720p automatically.
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