Who Deserves to Kill the Lich King?

As you all should know, there is a new World of Warcraft expansion coming out called Wrath of the Lich King, in which like Illidan Stormrage was the end boss of the Burning Crusade, Arthas Menethil, the Lich King, will be the end boss of WotLK. My question to you is who do you think should be the one to kill the Lich King? After playing through the Warcraft games and watching Arthas grow as a character, it's hard for me to believe that Blizzard would let a 24-man raid group of Level 70 players have the right to take down the Lich King, in the same manner in which was possible with Illidan. I believe it would take too much away from the story and feel of World of Warcraft. Below I have compiled a list of possible scenarios of who might kill him.

1. Jaina Proudmoore

It's a possibility, but a slim one, that Jaina might finally kill Arthas. However, being once a romantic interest of Arthas and having a deeply emotional attitude, I don't believe Jaina would have the heart to kill him.

2. Illidan Stormrage

Assuming he's still alive, Illidan might once again be given the chance to take on Arthas. However, I think this is extremely unlikely, as Illidan was hit only once by Arthas in Warcraft III and as a result, he nearly bled to death.

3. The Forsaken

No one probably has a bigger grudge with Arthas than the Forsaken. After breaking free from his mind bending control, it may seem fitting for Sylvanas Windrunner and an army of Forsaken to take him down...or maybe he kills Sylvanas? That would be interesting.

4. The Ghost of Muradin Bronzebeard

Possibly after the player has weakened Arthas down a bit, the ghost of Muradin Bronzebeard somehow appears to finish the job. Arthas did, albeit accidentally, kill him after he released Frostmourne.

5. The Ghosts of Everyone Arthas has Killed

Come to think of it, this scenario might be even cooler than #4. Through some way, the ghosts of everyone Arthas has killed (his father, Uther the Lightbringer, Bronzebeard, etc.) might start swarming around him, chanting stuff, driving him to the brink of madness, and then they invade his mind and his head explodes. It would be a nice finishing touch to the story to watch the Lich King's helmet bounce down the stairs of the Frozen Throne, much in the same way his father's did when he killed him.

I'll come up with a few more later, but I want to hear what you guys think might happen. Oh, and I forgot to mention. All of the above scenarios would be done through a cinematic, not through the game. I think it would be pretty stupid if it was done in the game because the game engine is so incredibly limited and the graphics are kinda' lame.

So what do you think might happen?

It seems to me as if someone has waaay to much free time on his hands and is waaay too addicted to WoW...

Still after reading i'd go for number 5.

I know why they call it WoW now, threads like this make me say "wow".

As you all should know, there is a new World of Warcraft expansion coming out called Wrath of the Lich King, in which like Illidan Stormrage was the end boss of the Burning Crusade, Arthas Menethil, the Lich King, will be the end boss of WotLK. My question to you is who do you think should be the one to kill the Lich King? After playing through the Warcraft games and watching Arthas grow as a character, it's hard for me to believe that Blizzard would let a 24-man raid group of Level 70 players have the right to take down the Lich King, in the same manner in which was possible with Illidan. I believe it would take too much away from the story and feel of World of Warcraft. Below I have compiled a list of possible scenarios of who might kill him.

1. Jaina Proudmoore

It's a possibility, but a slim one, that Jaina might finally kill Arthas. However, being once a romantic interest of Arthas and having a deeply emotional attitude, I don't believe Jaina would have the heart to kill him.

2. Illidan Stormrage

Assuming he's still alive, Illidan might once again be given the chance to take on Arthas. However, I think this is extremely unlikely, as Illidan was hit only once by Arthas in Warcraft III and as a result, he nearly bled to death.

3. The Forsaken

No one probably has a bigger grudge with Arthas than the Forsaken. After breaking free from his mind bending control, it may seem fitting for Sylvanas Windrunner and an army of Forsaken to take him down...or maybe he kills Sylvanas? That would be interesting.

4. The Ghost of Muradin Bronzebeard

Possibly after the player has weakened Arthas down a bit, the ghost of Muradin Bronzebeard somehow appears to finish the job. Arthas did, albeit accidentally, kill him after he released Frostmourne.

5. The Ghosts of Everyone Arthas has Killed

Come to think of it, this scenario might be even cooler than #4. Through some way, the ghosts of everyone Arthas has killed (his father, Uther the Lightbringer, Bronzebeard, etc.) might start swarming around him, chanting stuff, driving him to the brink of madness, and then they invade his mind and his head explodes. It would be a nice finishing touch to the story to watch the Lich King's helmet bounce down the stairs of the Frozen Throne, much in the same way his father's did when he killed him.

I'll come up with a few more later, but I want to hear what you guys think might happen. Oh, and I forgot to mention. All of the above scenarios would be done through a cinematic, not through the game. I think it would be pretty stupid if it was done in the game because the game engine is so incredibly limited and the graphics are kinda' lame.

So what do you think might happen?

AJMarra

Doesn't really matter since Blizzard made it impossible for anyone to experience the storyline in World of Warcraft unless they have ALL EPIC GEAR.

Doesn't really matter since Blizzard made it impossible for anyone to experience the storyline in World of Warcraft unless they have ALL EPIC GEAR.

Ironfungus

Honestly, I didn't know WoW even had a storyline.

[QUOTE="Ironfungus"]

Doesn't really matter since Blizzard made it impossible for anyone to experience the storyline in World of Warcraft unless they have ALL EPIC GEAR.

uberchrislol

Honestly, I didn't know WoW even had a storyline.

lol me too.

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If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

I don't have The Burning Crusade and I never made it to the biggest raid bosses in original WoW (got bored of raiding before it).

#5 sounds the best from those. I'd be glad to see any of those options though. They really bring LOTRO's more story oriented instances to my mind. Does WoW already have things like this, where an important character from the lore kills the bad guy rather than player avatars?

Who deserves to kill the lich king? From blizzards point of view, that would be highly addictive no-life gamers that play the game atleast 10 hours every day.

Casual gamers dont even get close to endgame. ever... no.. not even when WotLK hits, they say that the casual dudes can go into the lvl 70 Raid instances, but they never will, neither they will even get close to lvl 60 raid-instances.

Blizzard clearly **** up somwhere between Casual and Hardcore! /Whine

If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

JP_Russell

WoW doesn't butcher the story at all. It just lets you play out the story as your own hero, rather than control an army and a hero in RTS fashion.

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If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

AJMarra

WoW doesn't butcher the story at all. It just lets you play out the story as your own hero, rather than control an army and a hero in RTS fashion.

He's right, the story isn't butchered by WoW, it's just simplified into something comparable to those cardboard six page childrens books you buy for infants when they're just learning to read. :evil:

[QUOTE="AJMarra"][QUOTE="JP_Russell"]

If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

HondaSnake

WoW doesn't butcher the story at all. It just lets you play out the story as your own hero, rather than control an army and a hero in RTS fashion.

He's right, the story isn't butchered by WoW, it's just simplified into something comparable to those cardboard six page childrens books you buy for infants when they're just learning to read. :evil:

Couldn't of said it better myself. I never thought about it that way, but yeah, you're right.

[QUOTE="HondaSnake"][QUOTE="AJMarra"][QUOTE="JP_Russell"]

If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

AJMarra

WoW doesn't butcher the story at all. It just lets you play out the story as your own hero, rather than control an army and a hero in RTS fashion.

He's right, the story isn't butchered by WoW, it's just simplified into something comparable to those cardboard six page childrens books you buy for infants when they're just learning to read. :evil:

Couldn't of said it better myself. I never thought about it that way, but yeah, you're right.

I played the game a while myself, did the raiding and what not. I enjoyed it mostly just because it was Warcraft. I do just wish they'd have continued with the story in another fashion, than with the mmo.:?

Btw, I would probably vote #5 if I had to choose any of the options you listed.

[QUOTE="AJMarra"][QUOTE="JP_Russell"]

If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

HondaSnake

WoW doesn't butcher the story at all. It just lets you play out the story as your own hero, rather than control an army and a hero in RTS fashion.

He's right, the story isn't butchered by WoW, it's just simplified into something comparable to those cardboard six page childrens books you buy for infants when they're just learning to read. :evil:

:|

In other words, they butchered it. Warcraft isn't supposed to be simple. Simplifying it is equivalent to butchering it.

[QUOTE="HondaSnake"][QUOTE="AJMarra"][QUOTE="JP_Russell"]

If I had to pick which one would be best, I'd say 5, but since I don't think it would be right for WoW, let alone an expansion to WoW, to have something so significant in the Warcraft story happen, I say 3, and obviously allow Arthas to win. Save 5 for Warcraft 4.

Besides, from what I've heard, WoW butchered the Warcraft storyline. If that's true, WoW further doesn't deserve to have such a significant story event play out in it. So, out of objectivity, since I don't like WoW in the first place, I think it's fair to give WotLK something as significant as the events you described in #3.

JP_Russell

WoW doesn't butcher the story at all. It just lets you play out the story as your own hero, rather than control an army and a hero in RTS fashion.

He's right, the story isn't butchered by WoW, it's just simplified into something comparable to those cardboard six page childrens books you buy for infants when they're just learning to read. :evil:

:|

In other words, they butchered it. Warcraft isn't supposed to be simple. Simplifying it is equivalent to butchering it.

How about tenderized? It's not exactly butchered.

Geezz

Who cares?:roll:

I don't have The Burning Crusade and I never made it to the biggest raid bosses in original WoW (got bored of raiding before it).

#5 sounds the best from those. I'd be glad to see any of those options though. They really bring LOTRO's more story oriented instances to my mind. Does WoW already have things like this, where an important character from the lore kills the bad guy rather than player avatars?

RK-Mara

You don't even have had to have played WoW at all to make your decision as all of the story moments described above happen in WC 3 and it's expansion The Frozen Throne.

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AJMarra

I may be biased because I don't play Wow, but the very nature of this thread seems stupid to me. IMO, wow's tangle-up of the warcraft storyline should not affect the series; the RTS games should do actual storyline furthering and wow's contrived bs storyline should stay within that realm. That way, wow players can continue indulging in the fantasy that they are somehow actively furthering the warcraft plot without screwing it up for non-wow-playing warcraft fans.

It would be pretty cool if #5 happened in a warcraft RTS though; I can totally envision a cinematic like you described. Although #3 would also be interesting and more realistic.

The most heroic character on that list is Jaina, so I'm thinking that's who's gonna kill Arthas.

Definitely not Illidan. But why aren't any Night Elf sentinels on the list, like Malfurion Stormrage?

The most heroic character on that list is Jaina, so I'm thinking that's who's gonna kill Arthas.

Definitely not Illidan. But why aren't any Night Elf sentinels on the list, like Malfurion Stormrage?

psiklone

The point of this thread was for people to come up with their own scenarios, and not necessarily just agree on ones that I made.

[QUOTE="AJMarra"]

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blue_sparks

I may be biased because I don't play Wow, but the very nature of this thread seems stupid to me. IMO, wow's tangle-up of the warcraft storyline should not affect the series; the RTS games should do actual storyline furthering and wow's contrived bs storyline should stay within that realm. That way, wow players can continue indulging in the fantasy that they are somehow actively furthering the warcraft plot without screwing it up for non-wow-playing warcraft fans.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

yea....mmorpg is no place for a solid story line. so you have a really bad arse demon/old gods/cult ( whatever ) that has been messing up the world for the past 10 thousand years. lo and behold, a band of 24tweeners with shiny gear shall end the demise.

now that's what i call epik. :|

It seems to me as if someone has waaay to much free time on his hands and is waaay too addicted to WoW...

Still after reading i'd go for number 5.

1005

that information is not WoW-specific. If anything, its Warcraft3 specific. But you dont hear anyone giving WC3 addicted players crap, only WoW-addicted players get crap...

anyway, I like Forsaken scenario. Unfortunately, this only applies to horde. What happens when ally kill Arthas?

I also like number 5. Arthas gets weakened, then the haunted spirits of the heroes he has slain come from the shadows and slay him.

btw how does WoW handle killing Illidan? Does he actually die? Or does he kinda say "oh, im weak, im going to disappear and fight another day" thus letting the raid group 'win'?

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JP_Russell

I may be biased because I don't play Wow, but the very nature of this thread seems stupid to me. IMO, wow's tangle-up of the warcraft storyline should not affect the series; the RTS games should do actual storyline furthering and wow's contrived bs storyline should stay within that realm. That way, wow players can continue indulging in the fantasy that they are somehow actively furthering the warcraft plot without screwing it up for non-wow-playing warcraft fans.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

i dont understand.

In the RTS series, you are the player, and you are continuing the story .

In WoW, you are a player, and you are continuing the story.

In both games, you are forced into certain parameters that ultimately give the developer the power to determine how the story unfolds. In other words, it doesnt matter whether the franchise is played from an RTS or MMO standpoint since the story would have continued the same way had WoW been Warcraft 4.

The only difference is the perspective and genre of the game. Quit looking for more baseless reasons to hate WoW.

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mrbojangles25

I may be biased because I don't play Wow, but the very nature of this thread seems stupid to me. IMO, wow's tangle-up of the warcraft storyline should not affect the series; the RTS games should do actual storyline furthering and wow's contrived bs storyline should stay within that realm. That way, wow players can continue indulging in the fantasy that they are somehow actively furthering the warcraft plot without screwing it up for non-wow-playing warcraft fans.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

i dont understand.

In the RTS series, you are the player, and you are continuing the story .

In WoW, you are a player, and you are continuing the story.

In both games, you are forced into certain parameters that ultimately give the developer the power to determine how the story unfolds. In other words, it doesnt matter whether the franchise is played from an RTS or MMO standpoint since the story would have continued the same way had WoW been Warcraft 4.

The only difference is the perspective and genre of the game. Quit looking for more baseless reasons to hate WoW.

Exactly! You hit the nail on the head there.

And to answer your question, yes, Illidan can die, just like any of the other "important" characters of Warcraft, like Jaina Proudmoore or Thrall.

WoW has a storyline...? Or is it just a facade and nothing really happens in the game?HavocEbonlore

Yes, it has a storyline, but its a storyline that everyone can experience, so the outcome of what happens is never truly lore or dynamic.

i dont understand.

In the RTS series, you are the player, and you are continuing the story .

In WoW, you are a player, and you are continuing the story.

In both games, you are forced into certain parameters that ultimately give the developer the power to determine how the story unfolds. In other words, it doesnt matter whether the franchise is played from an RTS or MMO standpoint since the story would have continued the same way had WoW been Warcraft 4.

The only difference is the perspective and genre of the game. Quit looking for more baseless reasons to hate WoW.

mrbojangles25

1. In my opinion, a franchise should not have its story's main events advanced through an "on-the-side" game (which is what WoW is to Warcraft I-III, regardless of its popularity). Anyone who is a fan of the franchise and the main genre that the franchise takes place in, but not a fan of the genre of a secondary game to the franchise, will be left not knowing what happened in the story without reading about it or asking others, which just isn't right. Now, if the game goes off on a tangent and starts its own little sub-story, something that doesn't have any significant effect on the main story, it's okay because fans of the main game aren't missing out on anything crucial. I would feel the same way if WoW was a FPS/RPG, adventure game, or any other genre.

2. I highly doubt WC4 would have or will have a simplified story. It would have a much larger focus on its story than WoW, just like all the previous Warcraft games, as it is one of the games' selling points. I believe what happened with WoW was that the story was an afterthought, or rather it was bent around so as to accomodate the gameplay arrangement they wanted (This is based on my relatively little knowledge of WoW's approach to the Warcraft storyline, so forgive me if I have something confused, but the Horde joining forces with the Undead? What's this crap?). In the process, though, they ignored what it would do to the overall Warcraft story.

For these reasons, I disagree, I don't think Warcraft would have continued the story in the same way at all. I picture it with this analogy: Warcraft seems like the master storywriter, whereas WoW seems like his rambunctious son who comes along and scribbles in his notebook with crayons.

3. I don't hate WoW, I just don't like various things about it. It's an MMO, and I don't like MMO's just based on what I see and hear about them, but the reason I don't have any respect for it as a game are the reasons I have stated above, as well as a large portion of the player base (not all of them, take you for example, Bojangles) being... a kind of people I don't like (I'm tired of describing them everytime I bring them up), not to mention the way the game comes across as nothing but a cash cow.