Finally ordered a new cpu, went for the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black edition.
Comming tomoz :D
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Cool?MonsieurXJust been waiting a while for the cash and can now upgrade......just thought id share ;)
And also alot more costly.
Why buy a 3 series bmw when you can buy a bugatti???
you should have bought the i5-2500 or i5-2400, it's faster, whoops...evildead6789
And a new motherboard, yeah?
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]you should have bought the i5-2500 or i5-2400, it's faster, whoops...evildead6789
And a new motherboard, yeah?
am2+ doesn't have ddr3 ram, i think it's worth the troubleHe just barely got the money together for a 170 dollar CPU, do you think he has another 170 bucks for ram and a motherboard?
am2+ doesn't have ddr3 ram, i think it's worth the trouble[QUOTE="evildead6789"]
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And a new motherboard, yeah?
GummiRaccoon
He just barely got the money together for a 170 dollar CPU, do you think he has another 170 bucks for ram and a motherboard?
If he doens't he would be much better off buying a phenom II x4 955 and save some money[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="evildead6789"] am2+ doesn't have ddr3 ram, i think it's worth the trouble
evildead6789
He just barely got the money together for a 170 dollar CPU, do you think he has another 170 bucks for ram and a motherboard?
If he doens't he would be much better off buying a phenom II x4 955 and save some moneyThere is nothing wrong with the hexacores. They overclock better than the 955s and will last longer and have some better power features. He made a decent choice for someone that doesn't upgrade often.
If he doens't he would be much better off buying a phenom II x4 955 and save some money[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
He just barely got the money together for a 170 dollar CPU, do you think he has another 170 bucks for ram and a motherboard?
GummiRaccoon
There is nothing wrong with the hexacores. They overclock better than the 955s and will last longer and have some better power features. He made a decent choice for someone that doesn't upgrade often.
The hexacores of amd are a joke, even the i3-2100 is faster in games and that's a dual core. Actually all of amd cpu's are a joke since intel released the sandy bridge. The only sane reason to go amd is if you're on a tight budget, spending 170$ on amd cpu is a bad buy He better sold his system and invested in new one , or bought a cheape amd cpu like the x4 955
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="evildead6789"] If he doens't he would be much better off buying a phenom II x4 955 and save some moneyevildead6789
There is nothing wrong with the hexacores. They overclock better than the 955s and will last longer and have some better power features. He made a decent choice for someone that doesn't upgrade often.
The hexacores of amd are a joke, even the i3-2100 is faster in games and that's a dual core. Actually all of amd cpu's are a joke since intel released the sandy bridge. The only sane reason to go amd is if you're on a tight budget, spending 170$ on amd cpu is a bad buy He better sold his system and invested in new one , or bought a cheape amd cpu like the x4 955 I'll tell you what's a joke. The fact that (if your sig is correct), you went for the 2500 instead of the 2500k which is like $10 more. Also your graphics cards are complete crap. Also the best price/performance ram is 1600mhz speed, not the 1333 mhz versions. Maybe you should upgrade bro. OP - Nice one..You should get a decent performance increase.[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="evildead6789"] If he doens't he would be much better off buying a phenom II x4 955 and save some moneyevildead6789
There is nothing wrong with the hexacores. They overclock better than the 955s and will last longer and have some better power features. He made a decent choice for someone that doesn't upgrade often.
The hexacores of amd are a joke, even the i3-2100 is faster in games and that's a dual core. Actually all of amd cpu's are a joke since intel released the sandy bridge. The only sane reason to go amd is if you're on a tight budget, spending 170$ on amd cpu is a bad buy He better sold his system and invested in new one , or bought a cheape amd cpu like the x4 955Your opinion is 'meh' at best.
A drop in 6core for the next few years is hardly a bad choice.
Especially when you factor in the computer you've built like the poster above me pointed out.
Build yourself a machine that makes sense first, then tell others what to do.
[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]The hexacores of amd are a joke, even the i3-2100 is faster in games and that's a dual core. Actually all of amd cpu's are a joke since intel released the sandy bridge. The only sane reason to go amd is if you're on a tight budget, spending 170$ on amd cpu is a bad buy He better sold his system and invested in new one , or bought a cheape amd cpu like the x4 955 I'll tell you what's a joke. The fact that (if your sig is correct), you went for the 2500 instead of the 2500k which is like $10 more. Also your graphics cards are complete crap. Also the best price/performance ram is 1600mhz speed, not the 1333 mhz versions. Maybe you should upgrade bro. OP - Nice one..You should get a decent performance increase.There is nothing wrong with the hexacores. They overclock better than the 955s and will last longer and have some better power features. He made a decent choice for someone that doesn't upgrade often.
Spike1988
Yeah right you don't know about prices in my country, the 2500k is like 20$ more and the i don't need an extra cooler which cost another 30$. The sandy bridge setups are already so fast you need to tri- sli gtx 580's to bottleneck it. So for a game pc overclocking an i5-2500 is a total waste if you don't have a ridiculous gpu setup. And my videocards easily match your 560 ti and i bought them second handed for 45$ dollar a piece.
16 gb or ram lol, why do you need that , you like to leave 1 million browser sessions open lmao
850 W psu , your system can easily run on a 550 W psu
You have one of the most expensive motherboards with a quad sli support and only have one card? With all the extra money you dropped on this you could have easily bought a gtx 580 and saved money. Not to mention the ssd, allthough that's nice it does not nothing for game performance.
Off course if you use your pc for a lot of cpu intensive tasks or maybe video rendering, the overclocked cpu can be usefull and so can the ram but still that doesn't explain the unbalanced cpu/gpu/motherboard psu combo. You made a lot of bad decisions building a game pc
I'll tell you what's a joke. The fact that (if your sig is correct), you went for the 2500 instead of the 2500k which is like $10 more. Also your graphics cards are complete crap. Also the best price/performance ram is 1600mhz speed, not the 1333 mhz versions. Maybe you should upgrade bro. OP - Nice one..You should get a decent performance increase.[QUOTE="Spike1988"][QUOTE="evildead6789"] The hexacores of amd are a joke, even the i3-2100 is faster in games and that's a dual core. Actually all of amd cpu's are a joke since intel released the sandy bridge. The only sane reason to go amd is if you're on a tight budget, spending 170$ on amd cpu is a bad buy He better sold his system and invested in new one , or bought a cheape amd cpu like the x4 955evildead6789
Yeah right you don't know about prices in my country, the 2500k is like 20$ more and the i don't need an extra cooler which cost another 30$. The sandy bridge setups are already so fast you need to tri- sli gtx 580's to bottleneck it. So for a game pc overclocking an i5-2500 is a total waste if you don't have a ridiculous gpu setup. And my videocards easily match your 560 ti and i bought them second handed for 45$ dollar a piece.
16 gb or ram lol, why do you need that , you like to leave 1 million browser sessions open lmao
850 W psu , your system can easily run on a 550 W psu
You have one of the most expensive motherboards with a quad sli support and only have one card? With all the extra money you dropped on this you could have easily bought a gtx 580 and saved money. Not to mention the ssd, allthough that's nice it does not nothing for game performance.
Off course if you use your pc for a lot of cpu intensive tasks or maybe video rendering, the overclocked cpu can be usefull and so can the ram but still that doesn't explain the unbalanced cpu/gpu/motherboard psu combo. You made a lot of bad decisions building a game pc
Well you're just plain wrong in most of what you've said. I've benchmarked BF3 and Skyrim with my PC at stock and the game runs noticeably worse than when it's overclocked. For a very small extra bit of money you can get so much more out of your rig in the long run than being forced to leave it close to stock like you have. I originally bought an Asus P8Z68-Pro motherboard but it was DOA..the shop I bought it from had no more in stock to replace it, so they gave me the Deluxe version at no extra cost. Ram in my country only costs $50 for 8GB. It's dirt cheap, and FYI I do a lot of video rendering and multitasking. Having extra RAM can never hurt, especially for how cheap it is. I have an 850W PSU because I'm SLI'ing another 560 Ti next month. On top of that, I heavily overclock all my gear, so it's always good to have more headroom in your PSU. Plus it was only an extra $10 to get the 850W PSU over the 750W one. PLUS if you invest in a really nice PSU it will last you into your next rig as well. Once you've had an SSD, you can never go back to not having one. 15 second boot ups as well as amazingly faster performance in Photoshop and Video rendering. Oh and a GTX 580 costs more than 2 560 Ti's and has far worse performance. So to summarise; Stop talking about stuff that you know nothing about ;)
Hate to say it but they really dont.And my videocards easily match your 560 ti and i bought them second handed for 45$ dollar a piece.
evildead6789
What you essentially have is 5750 crossfire. 560 Ti is about 100% faster than 5750.
For games which scale well you will get close but which dont you are gonna be way behind. Quite simply the quality and consistency you get from a single card gives you a far better experience than with 2 really slow cards in comparison.
Hate to say it but they really dont.[QUOTE="evildead6789"]
And my videocards easily match your 560 ti and i bought them second handed for 45$ dollar a piece.
Gambler_3
What you essentially have is 5750 crossfire. 560 Ti is about 100% faster than 5750.
For games which scale well you will get close but which dont you are gonna be way behind. Quite simply the quality and consistency you get from a single card gives you a far better experience than with 2 really slow cards in comparison.
Agreed..I forgot to mention that evildead's 5770 is bottlenecked by his 5750 like you said. He doesn't seem to know what he's talking about!And I believe TC made the right choice. While DD2 Ram can be sold at a good price that motherboard surely wasnt going to get much. So given your budget you made the best choice, an X6 CPU is surely worth it over the X4 with the current prices as you dont lose anything with single threaded performance and the 2 cores will no doubt make the CPU last longer.
You might say a budget gamer should go for X4 and overclock it but he is on a dead end now and regardless I always believe one should try to get the most long lasting CPU one can afford. With the case at end the next upgrade would require new motherboard and ram so it makes sense to make the current setup last as long as possible. I would have done the same thing.
[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Hate to say it but they really dont.[QUOTE="evildead6789"]
And my videocards easily match your 560 ti and i bought them second handed for 45$ dollar a piece.
Spike1988
What you essentially have is 5750 crossfire. 560 Ti is about 100% faster than 5750.
For games which scale well you will get close but which dont you are gonna be way behind. Quite simply the quality and consistency you get from a single card gives you a far better experience than with 2 really slow cards in comparison.
Agreed..I forgot to mention that evildead's 5770 is bottlenecked by his 5750 like you said. He doesn't seem to know what he's talking about! yeah right and you're telling me i don't know what i'm talking about lol (and gambler, sorry but this time you're wrong). A hd 5770 crossfired with a hd 5750 is not the same as two crossfired 5750's and it's not the same as two 5770's either. A crossfired 5770 & 5750 trades blows with a hd 5870 , which is about the same performance as a gtx 560ti http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/asus_eah5770-powercolor_pcs_hd5750_15.html#sect0Lol thanks for the positives guys Evildeads just clearly having a bad day and like me doesnt know a whole lot about pcs ;)
Evildead as for budget i would need to spend around £300-400 maybe more for do the upgrades you suggested (pointlessly as i said i had already bought it) which is out of the question as i have a family and children to think of (bills etc etc, when you grow up you will understand). Also iv just bought a new camera for £200ish, so what i spent was the absolute max i could strech to.
ANd on that note posties just been with it so its install time :)
[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="Spike1988"] I'll tell you what's a joke. The fact that (if your sig is correct), you went for the 2500 instead of the 2500k which is like $10 more. Also your graphics cards are complete crap. Also the best price/performance ram is 1600mhz speed, not the 1333 mhz versions. Maybe you should upgrade bro. OP - Nice one..You should get a decent performance increase.Spike1988
Yeah right you don't know about prices in my country, the 2500k is like 20$ more and the i don't need an extra cooler which cost another 30$. The sandy bridge setups are already so fast you need to tri- sli gtx 580's to bottleneck it. So for a game pc overclocking an i5-2500 is a total waste if you don't have a ridiculous gpu setup. And my videocards easily match your 560 ti and i bought them second handed for 45$ dollar a piece.
16 gb or ram lol, why do you need that , you like to leave 1 million browser sessions open lmao
850 W psu , your system can easily run on a 550 W psu
You have one of the most expensive motherboards with a quad sli support and only have one card? With all the extra money you dropped on this you could have easily bought a gtx 580 and saved money. Not to mention the ssd, allthough that's nice it does not nothing for game performance.
Off course if you use your pc for a lot of cpu intensive tasks or maybe video rendering, the overclocked cpu can be usefull and so can the ram but still that doesn't explain the unbalanced cpu/gpu/motherboard psu combo. You made a lot of bad decisions building a game pc
Well you're just plain wrong in most of what you've said. I've benchmarked BF3 and Skyrim with my PC at stock and the game runs noticeably worse than when it's overclocked. For a very small extra bit of money you can get so much more out of your rig in the long run than being forced to leave it close to stock like you have. I originally bought an Asus P8Z68-Pro motherboard but it was DOA..the shop I bought it from had no more in stock to replace it, so they gave me the Deluxe version at no extra cost. Ram in my country only costs $50 for 8GB. It's dirt cheap, and FYI I do a lot of video rendering and multitasking. Having extra RAM can never hurt, especially for how cheap it is. I have an 850W PSU because I'm SLI'ing another 560 Ti next month. On top of that, I heavily overclock all my gear, so it's always good to have more headroom in your PSU. Plus it was only an extra $10 to get the 850W PSU over the 750W one. PLUS if you invest in a really nice PSU it will last you into your next rig as well. Once you've had an SSD, you can never go back to not having one. 15 second boot ups as well as amazingly faster performance in Photoshop and Video rendering. Oh and a GTX 580 costs more than 2 560 Ti's and has far worse performance. So to summarise; Stop talking about stuff that you know nothing about ;) that's very nice that you sli that card next month but that still doesn't explain a 200$ + board, you could have gotten a gigabyte board for 50$ cheaper and the same features. It's also very nice they gave you a 50$ extra because your board was doa.. As for your psu that's correct but i can't foretell that you will sli next month. 8 gb ram may be only 50$ extra but it's 50 $ extra. And you can render all you want, that extra 8 gb will do nothing, off course i may come in handy in the future. And the gtx 580 is not far worse that two gtx 560ti, it's only 10 percent and it's a single gpu, you still have the option to sli later when your system get's older. The gtx 580 is more expensive though, 20$ more expensive but it also runs on less power. Still if you want a little more performance, i would not call it a bad decision to go for a dual gpu setup. What is a bad decision however is that you chose two gtx 560 ti as a dual setup, the cheaper hd 6950 has a lot more performance due to the better scaling. Two hd 6950's have 25 percent more performance than the gtx 580, that 's 15 percent more than your two gtx 560 ti and they're cheaper lol. And you say i don't know what i'm talking about ? As for your argument that you get noticably better performance with bf3 is hilarious . These benchmarks show that there's hardly a difference, i mean the i7-870 get's even 1 fps more than the i7 2600k , and the i7-2600k is way faster. That means only one thing, that there's no difference like i said before http://www.guru3d.com/article/battlefield-3-vga-and-cpu-performance-benchmark-test/3 As for skyrim, i simply don't believe that because battlefield 3 is well known for being a cpu intensive game and skyrim isn't. As for your ssd , i said it before if it's not all about gaming it gives better performance in other areas. same for your overclocked cpu, it gives you a lot of more performance in cpu- intensive tasks like video rendering which makes it a good decision for you. But you did wasted 100$ on your ram and motherboard and your dual gpu setup is slower and more expensive than two hd 6950's. So i do know what i'm talking about and you apparently not ;)You may believe that but he could have even waited till he had more money to buy a sandy bridge, all he needed was like 80$ extra for a motherboard and ram. Or if his cpu performance was so bad go for a cheaper amd cpu. The phenom 1 quad aren't that bad though so i think he could have even waited. The phenom II x6 are horribly overpriced , combined that with ddr2 ram it's not the best decision. He could have spend his 170$ way better And tc, i'm not having a bad day, i'm just being realistic. I may have given you better options but it's not like you have thrown your money away, the x6 will off course last a while.And I believe TC made the right choice. While DD2 Ram can be sold at a good price that motherboard surely wasnt going to get much. So given your budget you made the best choice, an X6 CPU is surely worth it over the X4 with the current prices as you dont lose anything with single threaded performance and the 2 cores will no doubt make the CPU last longer.
You might say a budget gamer should go for X4 and overclock it but he is on a dead end now and regardless I always believe one should try to get the most long lasting CPU one can afford. With the case at end the next upgrade would require new motherboard and ram so it makes sense to make the current setup last as long as possible. I would have done the same thing.
Gambler_3
Well insallation took what 2 mins :) all is good
Tbh i dont care about i this or i that, i just wanted a better processor than what i had and got the "best" i could afford, my last one ran games most the time on max or pretty close to so this will be more than enough for me for a long while.
[ Trimmed evildead6789Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;)
[QUOTE="evildead6789"][ Trimmed Spike1988Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;)
Dude not for nothing but both asus and gigabyte are both great for overclocking, then again i have had both companies before i see no difference.
Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;)[QUOTE="Spike1988"][QUOTE="evildead6789"][ Trimmed Nethemis
Dude not for nothing but both asus and gigabyte are both great for overclocking, then again i have had both companies before i see no difference.
Yeah I know they are..But the particular Z68 series of boards I was looking at in my price range of $150 - $200, the Asus board was superior. I had a Gigabyte mobo in my last rig, I got nothing against them![QUOTE="evildead6789"][ Trimmed Spike1988Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;) As for skyrim you seem to be right but not for bf 3 if the 6950 is more expensive in your country well i can't really argue with that besides that you're living in a country that has strange prices lol
I leave gamespot for a few days and when i return every thread is a catfight.
Damn, what went wrong?
[QUOTE="Spike1988"][QUOTE="evildead6789"][ Trimmed evildead6789Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;) As for skyrim you seem to be right but not for bf 3 if the 6950 is more expensive in your country well i can't really argue with that besides that you're living in a country that has strange prices lol
6950s are more expensive in every country.
You know regarding this "you could have done this or that different", not everyone wants to completely rebuild their machine every single time they upgrade, also dropping in a new CPU doesn't require any effort. If he would have switched from AMD to intel he would have also had to reinstall windows.
So your suggestion costs 200 dollars more and requires an entire day of reinstalling everything on his computer vs 2 minutes to open the case, take out the old processor, put in new processor, close case, install done.
Your advice is bad, stop giving it.
EDIT: Furthermore, this wasn't a thread asking for advice, this guy upgraded and then wanted to share. Never at any point did he ask for your opinion and the fact that you are giving it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to the TC.
As for skyrim you seem to be right but not for bf 3 if the 6950 is more expensive in your country well i can't really argue with that besides that you're living in a country that has strange prices lol[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="Spike1988"] Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;)NailedGR
6950s are more expensive in every country.
You know regarding this "you could have done this or that different", not everyone wants to completely rebuild their machine every single time they upgrade, also dropping in a new CPU doesn't require any effort. If he would have switched from AMD to intel he would have also had to reinstall windows.
So your suggestion costs 200 dollars more and requires an entire day of reinstalling everything on his computer vs 2 minutes to open the case, take out the old processor, put in new processor, close case, install done.
Your advice is bad, stop giving it.
EDIT: Furthermore, this wasn't a thread asking for advice, this guy upgraded and then wanted to share. Never at any point did he ask for your opinion and the fact that you are giving it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to the TC.
pretty much sums it up :) also i would have to redownload over 100 games of steam that i currently have on my hard drive........that would take forever.
[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]
pretty much sums it up :) also i would have to redownload over 100 games of steam that i currently have on my hard drive........that would take forever.
Never keep steam on the same partition as windows, you wont have to re-download anything. By partition do you mean harddrive......or part of the harddrive? pretty new to all this stuff?[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Never keep steam on the same partition as windows, you wont have to re-download anything. By partition do you mean harddrive......or part of the harddrive? pretty new to all this stuff?Either of the 2 will do the job.[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]
pretty much sums it up :) also i would have to redownload over 100 games of steam that i currently have on my hard drive........that would take forever.
jonleeprice
But since most people dont have 2 identical hard drives it is always best to install games and OS on your fastest drive. So for most people that will have to be the same drive.
What you do is partition the drive into 2, one reasonably big partition for the OS(like 80-100GB) and the rest for games and all sorts of storage. You will essentially have 2 hard drives and upon re-installing windows you will never have to format the other partition.
You will still need to re-install steam but all the data would be already there once it is installed.
As for skyrim you seem to be right but not for bf 3 if the 6950 is more expensive in your country well i can't really argue with that besides that you're living in a country that has strange prices lol[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="Spike1988"] Haha I chose my Asus motherboard because of reliability and a way better BIOS than a Gigabyte board. Also benchmarks showed that it performed better with overclocking than the nearest Gigabyte competitor. You see I actually RESEARCH before I buy parts and weigh up my best options. And I knew that this was gonna be a heavily overclocked rig. Can't emphasize enough how this isn't just a gaming rig and the extra RAM and SSD come in handy! Also the 6950 is more expensive than the 560 ti. Where I live it's anywhere from $20 - $50 more expensive for a 6950. Now if you're getting 2 like I plan to, that equates to $40 - $100 more for Crossfire 6950's than SLI 560 ti's. I also went with Nvidia because I believe their driver support is slightly better. But this is just personal preference. Oh and Skyrim and BF3 are Cpu intensive. Especially Skyrim. In fact look at these Benchmarks; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skyrim-performance-benchmark,review-32318-9.html It shows the difference of a stock i5 2500k vs one at 4ghz. It's a 10 - 15fps difference in Skyrim. Also based on my personal testing, there's about a 10fps difference in BF3 as well. So do some more research next time mate ;)NailedGR
6950s are more expensive in every country.
You know regarding this "you could have done this or that different", not everyone wants to completely rebuild their machine every single time they upgrade, also dropping in a new CPU doesn't require any effort. If he would have switched from AMD to intel he would have also had to reinstall windows.
So your suggestion costs 200 dollars more and requires an entire day of reinstalling everything on his computer vs 2 minutes to open the case, take out the old processor, put in new processor, close case, install done.
Your advice is bad, stop giving it.
EDIT: Furthermore, this wasn't a thread asking for advice, this guy upgraded and then wanted to share. Never at any point did he ask for your opinion and the fact that you are giving it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to the TC.
6950's aren't more expensive on newegg, and not in all of europe, so i guess you don't live on the same planet as i do lolhe posted that he bought this cpu and i told him he got other options, maybe he can still trade it in or whatever, i didn't post this thread he did. My suggestions doesn't cost 200 dollar more but 80$ more, lean to count!
Besides i did give him other options too, like waiting till he had more money because he already had a quad core at this time, he could have overclocked itor bought a cheaper quad. learn to read!
so you're saying advising sandy bridge which costs the same but has a lot more speed is bad, please..., and reinstalling windows is one of your arguments.. what do you know about advice, everything you said in your post is incorrect lmao
if he just wanted to share and didn't want any opinions he should have written this in his blog and not started a thread, apparently you don't even know what this forum is about, also
for christ sake where do they get this people
[QUOTE="NailedGR"]
[QUOTE="evildead6789"] As for skyrim you seem to be right but not for bf 3 if the 6950 is more expensive in your country well i can't really argue with that besides that you're living in a country that has strange prices loljonleeprice
6950s are more expensive in every country.
You know regarding this "you could have done this or that different", not everyone wants to completely rebuild their machine every single time they upgrade, also dropping in a new CPU doesn't require any effort. If he would have switched from AMD to intel he would have also had to reinstall windows.
So your suggestion costs 200 dollars more and requires an entire day of reinstalling everything on his computer vs 2 minutes to open the case, take out the old processor, put in new processor, close case, install done.
Your advice is bad, stop giving it.
EDIT: Furthermore, this wasn't a thread asking for advice, this guy upgraded and then wanted to share. Never at any point did he ask for your opinion and the fact that you are giving it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to the TC.
pretty much sums it up :) also i would have to redownload over 100 games of steam that i currently have on my hard drive........that would take forever.
you can easily use the copy command and copy them to your new harddrive[QUOTE="NailedGR"]
[QUOTE="evildead6789"] As for skyrim you seem to be right but not for bf 3 if the 6950 is more expensive in your country well i can't really argue with that besides that you're living in a country that has strange prices lolevildead6789
6950s are more expensive in every country.
You know regarding this "you could have done this or that different", not everyone wants to completely rebuild their machine every single time they upgrade, also dropping in a new CPU doesn't require any effort. If he would have switched from AMD to intel he would have also had to reinstall windows.
So your suggestion costs 200 dollars more and requires an entire day of reinstalling everything on his computer vs 2 minutes to open the case, take out the old processor, put in new processor, close case, install done.
Your advice is bad, stop giving it.
EDIT: Furthermore, this wasn't a thread asking for advice, this guy upgraded and then wanted to share. Never at any point did he ask for your opinion and the fact that you are giving it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to the TC.
6950's aren't more expensive on newegg, and not in all of europe, so i guess you don't live on the same planet as i do lolhe posted that he bought this cpu and i told him he got other options, maybe he can still trade it in or whatever, i didn't post this thread he did. My suggestions doesn't cost 200 dollar more but 80$ more, lean to count!
Besides i did give him other options too, like waiting till he had more money because he already had a quad core at this time, he could have overclocked itor bought a cheaper quad. learn to read!
so you're saying advising sandy bridge which costs the same but has a lot more speed is bad, please..., and reinstalling windows is one of your arguments.. what do you know about advice, everything you said in your post is incorrect lmao
if he just wanted to share and didn't want any opinions he should have written this in his blog and not started a thread, apparently you don't even know what this forum is about, also
for christ sake where do they get this people
I guess you don't understand numbers. The cheapest 560Ti is 199 bucks after rebate and the cheapest 6950 is 209 with a rebate.
and Nailed is right, this isn't "Who has a stupid opinion?" thread.
How exactly does your suggestion not cost 200 dollars more? a 2500k is 224 so that is 55 dollars more, plus the cost of ram plus the cost of a motherboard. I'd say the 200 dollar is a pretty good estimate.
Beyond that, your solution requires him to sell all of his old parts to attempt to recoup the costs, which is money and time, then he has to reinstall windows which is time.
So lets see
We have
Option 1: Drop in replacement hexacore
Cost: 170 bucks.
Time needed: minutes
Option 2:
Buy 2500k
research and buy socket 1155 motherboard
research and buy ddr3 ram
cost: 450 bucks
Time needed: hours to days
Yeah your idea makes a lot of sense.
All for NO NOTICIBLE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERYTHING HE DOES
gotta love that logic
Selling off such old hardware is going to at most pay the cost of buying new Ram. DDR2 ram can be sold easily but that mobo is not going to sell easily.
So lets just say only the cost of the new motherboard will have to be paid if he were to do some effort of selling the stuff. Thats $100 more. So total is $150 more.
The $50 extra for the 2500k are COMPLETELY worth it lets get this straight but I dont think buying a new motherboard is.
[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Never keep steam on the same partition as windows, you wont have to re-download anything. By partition do you mean harddrive......or part of the harddrive? pretty new to all this stuff?[QUOTE="jonleeprice"]
pretty much sums it up :) also i would have to redownload over 100 games of steam that i currently have on my hard drive........that would take forever.
jonleeprice
If your hard drive were a pie, creating a partion would be like slicing the pie in half. Same amount of pie, two pieces!
6950's aren't more expensive on newegg, and not in all of europe, so i guess you don't live on the same planet as i do lol[QUOTE="evildead6789"]
[QUOTE="NailedGR"]
6950s are more expensive in every country.
You know regarding this "you could have done this or that different", not everyone wants to completely rebuild their machine every single time they upgrade, also dropping in a new CPU doesn't require any effort. If he would have switched from AMD to intel he would have also had to reinstall windows.
So your suggestion costs 200 dollars more and requires an entire day of reinstalling everything on his computer vs 2 minutes to open the case, take out the old processor, put in new processor, close case, install done.Your advice is bad, stop giving it.
EDIT: Furthermore, this wasn't a thread asking for advice, this guy upgraded and then wanted to share. Never at any point did he ask for your opinion and the fact that you are giving it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to the TC.
GummiRaccoon
he posted that he bought this cpu and i told him he got other options, maybe he can still trade it in or whatever, i didn't post this thread he did. My suggestions doesn't cost 200 dollar more but 80$ more, lean to count!
Besides i did give him other options too, like waiting till he had more money because he already had a quad core at this time, he could have overclocked itor bought a cheaper quad. learn to read!
so you're saying advising sandy bridge which costs the same but has a lot more speed is bad, please..., and reinstalling windows is one of your arguments.. what do you know about advice, everything you said in your post is incorrect lmao
if he just wanted to share and didn't want any opinions he should have written this in his blog and not started a thread, apparently you don't even know what this forum is about, also
for christ sake where do they get this people
I guess you don't understand numbers. The cheapest 560Ti is 199 bucks after rebate and the cheapest 6950 is 209 with a rebate.
and Nailed is right, this isn't "Who has a stupid opinion?" thread.
How exactly does your suggestion not cost 200 dollars more? a 2500k is 224 so that is 55 dollars more, plus the cost of ram plus the cost of a motherboard. I'd say the 200 dollar is a pretty good estimate.
Beyond that, your solution requires him to sell all of his old parts to attempt to recoup the costs, which is money and time, then he has to reinstall windows which is time.
So lets see
We have
Option 1: Drop in replacement hexacore
Cost: 170 bucks.
Time needed: minutes
Option 2:
Buy 2500k
research and buy socket 1155 motherboard
research and buy ddr3 ram
cost: 450 bucks
Time needed: hours to days
Yeah your idea makes a lot of sense.
All for NO NOTICIBLE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERYTHING HE DOES
gotta love that logic
Who says he has to buy an i5 2500k, he can buy an i5-2400 or i5-2500. which runs circles around his cpu when it comes to gamingfyi , the i5-2400 costs 190$, a motherboard from gigabyte costs 55$, ram costs 20$ for 2x2 gb. That's a total of 265$ , speaking of exageration with your 450 bucks, even if he buys the i5-2500 it's only 20$ more.
Then he has a lightning fast system which supports the upcoming ivy bridge and is futureproof, now he has a ddr2 system with a snail slow hexacore. The upcoming new consoles will certainly have sandy bridge or ivy bridge technology and his amd cpu will simply not be able to keep up. Off course it's a lot less work but lazyness got no one anywhere. And building that pc and reinstalling windows isn't all that much trouble.
And as for difference, it has been posted here before, skyrim for instance is very cpu intensive and has no need for more than two cores, the lightning fast sandy bridge outputs decent frames , but that 1090 thuban will have problems with it. It only outputs 40 frames with a gtx 570 on max detail, what do you think his gtx 460 will say about this, it will drop below 30 fps off course, not to mention the even slower performance because of the ddr 2 ram. yeah great logic,
Besides i did suggest also to buy phenom II x4 955 because when it comes to gaming that hexacore does nothing for him and he would have saved some money.
And as for the hd 6950/gtx 560ti, the gtx 560 ti may have lowered in price and at this time there a mir at newegg but overall the hd 6950 is the same price or even cheaper in other shops. And the hd 6950 still delivers 15 procent more performance in a dual setup.
Hmm you do make some sense actually. A non overclockable intel system will still be faster than an overclocked X6, I totally didnt think you can also go for the i5-2400 and cheap motherboard. Seems a pretty neglected combination but it actually provides very good price performance.
Anyways since TC isnt asking for advice and has already made his purchase there is not much point in this.
You can still overclock those non k sandybridge too , you know allthough not much. and i know he has already bought it but you know how it is in a discussion but i'm glad you're seeing my point as i expected when you checked the numbers , something a lot of posters here don't do .Hmm you do make some sense actually. A non overclockable intel system will still be faster than an overclocked X6, I totally didnt think you can also for the i5-2400 and cheap motherboard.
Anyways since TC isnt asking for advice and has already made his purchase there is not much point in this.
Gambler_3
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="evildead6789"] 6950's aren't more expensive on newegg, and not in all of europe, so i guess you don't live on the same planet as i do lol
he posted that he bought this cpu and i told him he got other options, maybe he can still trade it in or whatever, i didn't post this thread he did. My suggestions doesn't cost 200 dollar more but 80$ more, lean to count!
Besides i did give him other options too, like waiting till he had more money because he already had a quad core at this time, he could have overclocked itor bought a cheaper quad. learn to read!
so you're saying advising sandy bridge which costs the same but has a lot more speed is bad, please..., and reinstalling windows is one of your arguments.. what do you know about advice, everything you said in your post is incorrect lmao
if he just wanted to share and didn't want any opinions he should have written this in his blog and not started a thread, apparently you don't even know what this forum is about, also
for christ sake where do they get this people
evildead6789
I guess you don't understand numbers. The cheapest 560Ti is 199 bucks after rebate and the cheapest 6950 is 209 with a rebate.
and Nailed is right, this isn't "Who has a stupid opinion?" thread.
How exactly does your suggestion not cost 200 dollars more? a 2500k is 224 so that is 55 dollars more, plus the cost of ram plus the cost of a motherboard. I'd say the 200 dollar is a pretty good estimate.
Beyond that, your solution requires him to sell all of his old parts to attempt to recoup the costs, which is money and time, then he has to reinstall windows which is time.
So lets see
We have
Option 1: Drop in replacement hexacore
Cost: 170 bucks.
Time needed: minutes
Option 2:
Buy 2500k
research and buy socket 1155 motherboard
research and buy ddr3 ram
cost: 450 bucks
Time needed: hours to days
Yeah your idea makes a lot of sense.
All for NO NOTICIBLE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERYTHING HE DOES
gotta love that logic
Who says he has to buy an i5 2500k, he can buy an i5-2400 or i5-2500. which runs circles around his cpu when it comes to gamingfyi , the i5-2400 costs 190$, a motherboard from gigabyte costs 55$, ram costs 20$ for 2x2 gb. That's a total of 265$ , speaking of exageration with your 450 bucks, even if he buys the i5-2500 it's only 20$ more.
Then he has a lightning fast system which supports the upcoming ivy bridge and is futureproof, now he has a ddr2 system with a snail slow hexacore. The upcoming new consoles will certainly have sandy bridge or ivy bridge technology and his amd cpu will simply not be able to keep up. Off course it's a lot less work but lazyness got no one anywhere. And building that pc and reinstalling windows isn't all that much trouble.
And as for difference, it has been posted here before, skyrim for instance is very cpu intensive and has no need for more than two cores, the lightning fast sandy bridge outputs decent frames , but that 1090 thuban will have problems with it. It only outputs 40 frames with a gtx 570 on max detail, what do you think his gtx 460 will say about this, it will drop below 30 fps off course, not to mention the even slower performance because of the ddr 2 ram. yeah great logic,
Besides i did suggest also to buy phenom II x4 955 because when it comes to gaming that hexacore does nothing for him and he would have saved some money.
And as for the hd 6950/gtx 560ti, the gtx 560 ti may have lowered in price and at this time there a mir at newegg but overall the hd 6950 is the same price or even cheaper in other shops. And the hd 6950 still delivers 15 procent more performance in a dual setup.
The performance difference between ddr2 and ddr3 is nearly non-existant. Also coming from someone who crossfired a 5750 and a 5770, it really shows how little you know. 55 dollar motherboards are fine and all, except in order to get to that price point they have to cut a lot of corners on quality, meaning shortened lifespan, I've seen it time and time again with bargain basement motherboards.
You also aren't addressing the takes less than 10 minutes upgrade vs all day affair upgrade arguement. Some people just want to see a boost now with little effort.
Even in CPU intensive games, GPU matters more. If you have a 200 dollar cpu paired with a 100 dollar GPU you will get garbage performance and it will look like garbage. The reverse isn't the case.
Who says he has to buy an i5 2500k, he can buy an i5-2400 or i5-2500. which runs circles around his cpu when it comes to gaming[QUOTE="evildead6789"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
I guess you don't understand numbers. The cheapest 560Ti is 199 bucks after rebate and the cheapest 6950 is 209 with a rebate.
and Nailed is right, this isn't "Who has a stupid opinion?" thread.
How exactly does your suggestion not cost 200 dollars more? a 2500k is 224 so that is 55 dollars more, plus the cost of ram plus the cost of a motherboard. I'd say the 200 dollar is a pretty good estimate.
Beyond that, your solution requires him to sell all of his old parts to attempt to recoup the costs, which is money and time, then he has to reinstall windows which is time.
So lets see
We have
Option 1: Drop in replacement hexacore
Cost: 170 bucks.
Time needed: minutes
Option 2:
Buy 2500k
research and buy socket 1155 motherboard
research and buy ddr3 ram
cost: 450 bucks
Time needed: hours to days
Yeah your idea makes a lot of sense.
All for NO NOTICIBLE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERYTHING HE DOES
gotta love that logic
GummiRaccoon
fyi , the i5-2400 costs 190$, a motherboard from gigabyte costs 55$, ram costs 20$ for 2x2 gb. That's a total of 265$ , speaking of exageration with your 450 bucks, even if he buys the i5-2500 it's only 20$ more.
Then he has a lightning fast system which supports the upcoming ivy bridge and is futureproof, now he has a ddr2 system with a snail slow hexacore. The upcoming new consoles will certainly have sandy bridge or ivy bridge technology and his amd cpu will simply not be able to keep up. Off course it's a lot less work but lazyness got no one anywhere. And building that pc and reinstalling windows isn't all that much trouble.
And as for difference, it has been posted here before, skyrim for instance is very cpu intensive and has no need for more than two cores, the lightning fast sandy bridge outputs decent frames , but that 1090 thuban will have problems with it. It only outputs 40 frames with a gtx 570 on max detail, what do you think his gtx 460 will say about this, it will drop below 30 fps off course, not to mention the even slower performance because of the ddr 2 ram. yeah great logic,
Besides i did suggest also to buy phenom II x4 955 because when it comes to gaming that hexacore does nothing for him and he would have saved some money.
And as for the hd 6950/gtx 560ti, the gtx 560 ti may have lowered in price and at this time there a mir at newegg but overall the hd 6950 is the same price or even cheaper in other shops. And the hd 6950 still delivers 15 procent more performance in a dual setup.
The performance difference between ddr2 and ddr3 is nearly non-existant. Also coming from someone who crossfired a 5750 and a 5770, it really shows how little you know. 55 dollar motherboards are fine and all, except in order to get to that price point they have to cut a lot of corners on quality, meaning shortened lifespan, I've seen it time and time again with bargain basement motherboards.
You also aren't addressing the takes less than 10 minutes upgrade vs all day affair upgrade arguement. Some people just want to see a boost now with little effort.
Even in CPU intensive games, GPU matters more. If you have a 200 dollar cpu paired with a 100 dollar GPU you will get garbage performance and it will look like garbage. The reverse isn't the case.
ddr2 memory and ddr3 does have a difference if you combine it with the right chipset, it doesn't have a lot of difference combined with the same chipset. But a dedicated ddr3 chipset gives 5 procent better performance in games than a ddr2 chipset . the fact that you're mentioning my 5770 & 5750 shows how little you know, it gives a lot better performance than crossfired 5750's , you can tandem from 5xxx series and up different cards if the two first numbers are the same. like you can crossfire a 5830 & 5870, 5850 & 5830, 6770 & 6790 and it won't be bottlenecked by the lower card. Like my crossfire setup isn't the same as 2 5750's , the 5770 gives extra performance. My setup has the same performance as a hd 5870. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/asus_eah5770-powercolor_pcs_hd5750_15.html i do adress the 10 minutes upgrade and i think it's not very smart if you won't go trough the trouble to change your motherboard , cpu and ram just because you're lazy. you can do it in one hour , windows is reinstalled in one hour. I mean it's 6 screws on the motherboard, plug in the cpu and cooler , plug in the ram, connect power & reset cable, 2 led cables , 1 sata cable , plug in your videocard and maybe an extra pci-e card and it's done. As for your comparison with gpu and cpu, he spend 170$ on a cpu, the sandy bridge is only 20$ more and combined with a gtx 460 it will give great performance and a futureproof system. He can always upgrade his videocard later on when he needs too, i mean his gtx 460 was already bottlenecked by his cpu. The cpu needed to be upgraded first. What's wrong with 55$ dollar motherboards , i never had any problems with it. If you choose the right brand, i never had any problems with. A 55$ gigabyte motherboard will not fail on you, it will just give lower performance and has less features. And the performance difference between motherboards is small.Thanks for all the advice guys.
one more point though, if i was to get new MoBo etc etc i would also have the cost of windows in there aswell...like £80 or so, which i carnt afford at the moment but do plan on getting at some point. Got an "official" copy of windows 7 32bit BUT want and OFFICIAL copy of 64bit (mainly for ram purposes amoungst others)
Evildead plz stop going on about intel chips im not going to get one and have no interest in getting one. If i was to get a new MoBo cpu etc i would get an Amd FX (yes i know they aint as powerful as the HOLY intels i3/i5/i7'sbut tbh i dont give a ****) if i had the money but i dont so thats that.
If your obsessed with the best......go and get yourself some top of the range Gpu's instead of the low range ones you have.
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