Why aren't devs taking advantage of pc hardware? pc games should be far ahead

There are exceptions, like Witcher 2, Crysis, Skyrim, BF3 etc.... but a lot of pc games aren't taking advntage of pc hardware avialable. I mean, the hardware nowadays is light years ahead of 360, but nobody is really tapping that power. Even games like Witcher 2 and Crysis 2 don't represent what pc hardware is capable of. Will this change when the new consoles release and devs start using power again? PC gaming is rising, do you think this will lead to more development on the platform and optimization?

consoles be holdin us back yo.

consoles be holdin us back yo.

jakes456

who cares bout graphics, all bout dat artstyle i mean this is a wii game, just you know re-rendered in hd with dat 4x AA

resized

see how pretty dat looks? No need for 999999999 verts, just good lighting and imagination

all gaimz now look identical

(Medal of honor poopfighter)

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

jakes456

thats bcuz you gut no taste
bashes CS GO for no reason

doesnt play quake live
actually i have no idea what you play

but i can tell

even BF3 man zubin likes the graphics in Klonoa

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

JigglyWiggly_

thats bcuz you gut no taste
bashes CS GO for no reason

doesnt play quake live
actually i have no idea what you play

but i can tell

even BF3 man zubin likes the graphics in Klonoa

my reasons are stated in another topic.

I would dominate you on quake live with my eyes closed bra.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

jakes456

thats bcuz you gut no taste
bashes CS GO for no reason

doesnt play quake live
actually i have no idea what you play

but i can tell

even BF3 man zubin likes the graphics in Klonoa

my reasons are stated in another topic.

I would dominate you on quake live with my eyes closed bra.

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

thats bcuz you gut no taste
bashes CS GO for no reason

doesnt play quake live
actually i have no idea what you play

but i can tell

even BF3 man zubin likes the graphics in Klonoa

JigglyWiggly_

my reasons are stated in another topic.

I would dominate you on quake live with my eyes closed bra.

no bro my name is fatality quake champion mirin?

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

my reasons are stated in another topic.

I would dominate you on quake live with my eyes closed bra.

jakes456

no bro my name is fatality quake champion mirin?

also stop ruining dis thread

I could only imagine how well a xbox 360 would run a match of 8 races 200 turns in Endless space lol.

I could only imagine how well a xbox 360 would run a match of 8 races 200 turns in Endless space lol.

slimjimbadboy

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

jakes456

Only a kid would say that.

I think it's definitely because of the consoles. Even though there are PC exclusives that don't make great use of it, I think those games get made like that because the devs don't want to spend the extra money. From a business perspective, it's just not a super great investment to spend a bunch of extra money making a game's graphics take advantage of super modern PC hardware when the consoles can't keep up, when they could spend less money, make the game graphics top of line by console standards, and release it on PC, 360, and PS3, to a much larger market, thereby getting (most likely) far more sales.

There will always be a few games out there that break the mold, and go PC exclusive, and make good use of that power, but from most big devs, the big graphics enhancements will come with the new console generation, even for games that aren't on consoles.

The more "features" added, the more cost and manpower. Games used to cost a couple hundred thousand in the nineties.

There are exceptions, like Witcher 2, Crysis, Skyrim, BF3 etc.... but a lot of pc games aren't taking advntage of pc hardware avialable. I mean, the hardware nowadays is light years ahead of 360, but nobody is really tapping that power. Even games like Witcher 2 and Crysis 2 don't represent what pc hardware is capable of. Will this change when the new consoles release and devs start using power again? PC gaming is rising, do you think this will lead to more development on the platform and optimization?

reach3

It's not cost effective right now. Too many games are made to be ported over to the other platforms or designed for a console and ported over for PC.

A lot of Indie games are made only for PC and definitely not cost effective to try and make the graphics look superb. Sometimes you are also limited to the engine you are using. A lot of indie games use Unity and unity is good, but not a graphics power house like Unreal. Other companies also use in-house engines made soley for their game and they may not have manpower nor knowledge to create the best graphic engines. It's not as easy as you may think it is.

You also have to understand that PC games are more volatile when it comes to creating graphics. You have a lot more cards to try and program against. You may get awesome graphics on an NVIDIA card, but ATI may choke for some reason. Granted a lot of frameworks already take care of this for you, it is still an issue. Take for example the new technology in the NVIDIA 600 series cards -- This stuff will not work with AMD/ATI cardshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SfPLhTgRPQ. So now you have a game that needs twice as much coding time to handle the new NVIDIA card technology and also the other/older cards that can't support it.

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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] i am pretty sure it would go like this: replace joch's name with jakes456 JigglyWiggly_

no bro my name is fatality quake champion mirin?

also stop ruining dis thread

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

no bro my name is fatality quake champion mirin?

ionusX

also stop ruining dis thread

cool story bro. no really pics and all.

Actually siding with Reach3

There should be another Crysis for graphics. It would sell like hot cakes for benchmarking purposes and move the industry forward.

The more "features" added, the more cost and manpower. Games used to cost a couple hundred thousand in the nineties.

Cobra_nVidia

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] fatal1ty*

also stop ruining dis thread

JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

JigglyWiggly_

thats bcuz you gut no taste
bashes CS GO for no reason

doesnt play quake live
actually i have no idea what you play

but i can tell

even BF3 man zubin likes the graphics in Klonoa

The OP obviously did not do the PC upgrades every 6 months in the 90's to keep up with technology advancements. It gets pretty expensive man, and unless you keep your system upgraded there will be titles coming out you simply won't be able to run. Why would the PC gaming industry lock out any percentage of its customer base? Consoles became so popular because they were cheap and accessible to the public, what you propose could actually bring about the death of PC gaming that has been falsely predicted so many times. We need more PC gamers, not less. Make everyone have t buy the top of the line hardware and buh-bye PC gaming.

In conclusion this is all a worthless debate because it is based on a false premise......PC gaming is plenty ahead of consoles. I have yet to see a dual release title that I rather have on the console. Games look better on the PC, they play better on the PC, good enough for me.

People in the 21st century are lazy and untalented. Pretty simple answer here.SKaREO

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]People in the 21st century are lazy and untalented. Pretty simple answer here.FelipeInside

PC devs need to start optimizing game code in 64-bit, this will allow for as vast an improvement in gaming as it was when they moved from 16 to 32-bit.

More memory for graphics, NPC AI, less loading, the whole nine yards.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

lol at the kids game posted above. would not buy.

Zubinen

thats bcuz you gut no taste
bashes CS GO for no reason

doesnt play quake live
actually i have no idea what you play

but i can tell

even BF3 man zubin likes the graphics in Klonoa

yes klonoa 2 is quite a lot better
but i still ruv the first, even though i played it after
dat ending
let's listen to some music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqz3TLtehmU&feature=my_favorites&list=FLUTVRxG9CkcFb_ITr8Q6G3w

maybe this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFLrZ56O21w&feature=relmfu

[QUOTE="Cobra_nVidia"]

The more "features" added, the more cost and manpower. Games used to cost a couple hundred thousand in the nineties.

Cranler

Why? Profit$Profit$Profit$ Money makes the corporate wheel spin and PC gaming is only a small peice of the market.

JigglyWiggly_

Agreed

There are exceptions, like Witcher 2, Crysis, Skyrim, BF3 etc.... but a lot of pc games aren't taking advntage of pc hardware avialable. I mean, the hardware nowadays is light years ahead of 360, but nobody is really tapping that power. Even games like Witcher 2 and Crysis 2 don't represent what pc hardware is capable of. Will this change when the new consoles release and devs start using power again? PC gaming is rising, do you think this will lead to more development on the platform and optimization?

reach3

Why? Simple, because those are big budgeted and don't work on consoles.

FPSes are the most expensive genre to make after after MMOs and there aren't enough people buying PC FPSes to cover the costs of productions. So devs need to go multiplat.

You're thinking in terms of sheer realims but you have to remember that PC games are running a much higher res and framerate and that takes up a lot of hardware resources on it's own so you have to balance things out then. As for multiplats it's due to consoles being developed first and the PC getting sloppy seconds.

who cares bout graphics, all bout dat artstyle i mean this is a wii game, just you know re-rendered in hd with dat 4x AA

resized

see how pretty dat looks? No need for 999999999 verts, just good lighting and imagination

all gaimz now look identical

(Medal of honor poopfighter)

JigglyWiggly_

Graphics includes art style. A graphic is a piece of art or illustration or "The process by which a computer displays data pictorially.". What you meant to say is "Who cares about realism"

The 720 will destroy all PC's with it's 7990 and $300 pricetag.

The 720 will destroy all PC's with it's 7990 and $300 pricetag.

Postmortem123

p!ss off this isn't system wars

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="SKaREO"]People in the 21st century are lazy and untalented. Pretty simple answer here.dakan45

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] True, but games back then didn't require as much programming, as much voice-acting, as much graphic design, as much marketing and so on then today. So if you look at it that way, you need a team of talented people in different areas to bring it all together.FelipeInside

ofc the original sonic games had graphic designers, most programmers have no art skillaz.

Voice-acting is not needed, look at zelda.
Marketing, Sonic had an insane amount of marketing.
You don't need well-known voice actors, just people with talent if you want voice acting.