Why do people argue over which game is better?

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#1 crazymaghie123
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Video Games are meant to be entertaining, competitive, and meant to satisfy whatever you need them to do. So who really cares if SC2 is better than DOW2 just as long as you're having fun. When I was posting on the SC2 vs. DOW2 forum arguing that SC2 was going to be way better I stopped myself and realized..why am I doing this! What a waste of time to argue whats better when I enjoy the starcraft series and have fun with it. Who cares if people have more fun with DOW! As a matter of fact, I'm happy they're having fun and I hope DOW2 lives up to their expectations. Videogames should be about fun and lets keep it that way. If some dude has fun playing "Yoda Stories" and thinks its better than DOW or SC then let him think that! Keep Video Gaming for fun and let the critics worry about which game is better.

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#2 mfsa
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People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

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#3 Darth_Kane
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Do you have any better idea of what we could do on these forums ?
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People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

mfsa

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

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#5 wookieeassassin
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it is something to do. It isn't nearly as fun to say "man that game was awesome" and have someone agree. The discussion is over after that. That isn't any fun! haha.
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#6 VegetaJr
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The internet forums are all basically over glorified slap fights and pissing contests of get the last word in. It's just reality.
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#7 mfsa
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[QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

Fenrir_DarkWolf

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

Man, get your facts straight! I didn't say anything, I said everything.

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#8 Angarah
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[QUOTE="Fenrir_DarkWolf"][QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

mfsa

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

Man, get your facts straight! I didn't say anything, I said everything.

Wow, way to be a fanboy. Get back to me when you figure out how to take those ignorance goggles off... sheesh

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#9 AugurioS
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[QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

Fenrir_DarkWolf

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

well... you are arguing about if people argue about anything or not.... that's something you have to thing about i guess :P

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#10 crazymaghie123
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People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

mfsa

Haha, the funny thing is that in the end no one goes out and buys Starcraft 2 or DoW 2 they just buy what they were originally going to buy..

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#11 mfsa
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[QUOTE="mfsa"][QUOTE="Fenrir_DarkWolf"][QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

Angarah

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

Man, get your facts straight! I didn't say anything, I said everything.

Wow, way to be a fanboy. Get back to me when you figure out how to take those ignorance goggles off... sheesh

I'm a fanboy? Man, you're obviously 12.

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[QUOTE="Angarah"][QUOTE="mfsa"][QUOTE="Fenrir_DarkWolf"][QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

mfsa

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

Man, get your facts straight! I didn't say anything, I said everything.

Wow, way to be a fanboy. Get back to me when you figure out how to take those ignorance goggles off... sheesh

I'm a fanboy? Man, you're obviously 12.

:roll:

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Lol this topic randomly got a dose of chocolate aids. People argueing with other people as too whether or not people will argue about a game or not....I mean REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY.
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#14 Angarah
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[QUOTE="Angarah"][QUOTE="mfsa"][QUOTE="Fenrir_DarkWolf"][QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

mfsa

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

Man, get your facts straight! I didn't say anything, I said everything.

Wow, way to be a fanboy. Get back to me when you figure out how to take those ignorance goggles off... sheesh

I'm a fanboy? Man, you're obviously 12.

So what man, im still more gangsta then you'll ever be. Just wait, my homies will f--- you up if you come to our hood, yo.

:D

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#15 mfsa
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Lol this topic randomly got a dose of chocolate aids. People argueing with other people as too whether or not people will argue about a game or not....I mean REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY.October_Tide

Take your hand and put it palm down, level with your eyes, about a foot from your face.

Then, take your hand and pull it back quickly up and over your head.

Say swish as you do this.

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#16 mfsa
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[QUOTE="mfsa"][QUOTE="Angarah"][QUOTE="mfsa"][QUOTE="Fenrir_DarkWolf"][QUOTE="mfsa"]

People argue over everything. Some people enjoy the intellectual process of the debate, others simply like to vent, others feel an unreasonable alleigance to something - perhaps as a way of identifying themselves - and feel a need to defend it.

Mostly, it's just pissing on trees. It's what the internet is.

Angarah

WRONG! Do you have evidence people will argue about anything? Didn't think so...

Man, get your facts straight! I didn't say anything, I said everything.

Wow, way to be a fanboy. Get back to me when you figure out how to take those ignorance goggles off... sheesh

I'm a fanboy? Man, you're obviously 12.

So what man, im still more gangsta then you'll ever be. Just wait, my homies will f--- you up if you come to our hood, yo.

:D

I'm so gangsta I killed my brother while we were foeti in the womb. ***** called me a **********ing baby. I don't take that ****. Watch your back dude.

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#17 fireandcloud
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this thread is so much better than all the other threads! ;)
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#19 Andrew0987
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why do people do anything?
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#20 fireandcloud
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why do people do anything? Andrew0987

a question that has vexed scientists/philosophers/theologians for many, many years and will continue to do so till the very end...

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#21 BlackAlpha666
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[QUOTE="Andrew0987"]why do people do anything? fireandcloud

a question that has vexed scientists/philosophers/theologians for many, many years and will continue to do so till the very end...

Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now. I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians.

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#22 lordlors
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[QUOTE="fireandcloud"]

[QUOTE="Andrew0987"]why do people do anything? BlackAlpha666

a question that has vexed scientists/philosophers/theologians for many, many years and will continue to do so till the very end...

Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now. I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians.

agreed. it's a simple question really just made complicated and complex by scientists/philosophers/theologians. one who makes simple things complicated or complex is a fool to himself. past exists for the existence of memories regardless of it being bad or good and for the correction of mistakes. present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.

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#23 fireandcloud
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[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="fireandcloud"]

[QUOTE="Andrew0987"]why do people do anything? lordlors

a question that has vexed scientists/philosophers/theologians for many, many years and will continue to do so till the very end...

Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now. I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians.

agreed. it's a simple question really just made complicated and complex by scientists/philosophers/theologians. one who makes simple things complicated or complex is a fool to himself. past exists for the existence of memories regardless of it being bad or good and for the correction of mistakes. present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.

well, that simple answer works for you but what about all those people who are impoverished or have it really rough? i guess in your simplistic viewpoint, they should all kill themselves. and this is mostly a response to the guy who claims to have owned the scientists/philosophers/theologians, but i welcome a response from either.

and by the by, that's just a simplified nietsche-esque philosophy you're spouting, so you didn't actually own anyone; you just duplicated nietsche's thinking.

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#24 Andrew0987
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you guys are over-thinking this. i was just trying to point out that his question was a bit dumb.
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#25 fireandcloud
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i know. just having some fun myself. giving my life some semblance of meaning. :P
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#26 Jd1680a
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If someone argues if X game is better then Y, then its simply his own opinion. It should just end there respectfully.
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#27 fireandcloud
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If someone argues if X game is better then Y, then its simply his own opinion. It should just end there respectfully.Jd1680a

it should, but we all have this urge to be right and to dominate others. :|

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Dude, I love Yoda Stories!
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#29 BlackAlpha666
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[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="fireandcloud"]

[QUOTE="Andrew0987"]why do people do anything? fireandcloud

a question that has vexed scientists/philosophers/theologians for many, many years and will continue to do so till the very end...

Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now. I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians.

agreed. it's a simple question really just made complicated and complex by scientists/philosophers/theologians. one who makes simple things complicated or complex is a fool to himself. past exists for the existence of memories regardless of it being bad or good and for the correction of mistakes. present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.

well, that simple answer works for you but what about all those people who are impoverished or have it really rough? i guess in your simplistic viewpoint, they should all kill themselves. and this is mostly a response to the guy who claims to have owned the scientists/philosophers/theologians, but i welcome a response from either.

and by the by, that's just a simplified nietsche-esque philosophy you're spouting, so you didn't actually own anyone; you just duplicated nietsche's thinking.

I don't know what you mean with the people that have it rough. I just don't see what that has to do with what I said. I simply gave you the answer to your question: Why do we do anything?

"Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now."

1. If you plan not to breath, eat, drink, etc, then you will die. You might aswell not have been born in that case. I think that's obvious, right?

2. Let's pretend you don't have to eat, drink and breath. If you decide to stand at the same spot forever until you die of old age, then you've done the same thing. You might aswell not have been born in that case too. You've only been prolonging number 1, the end result is the same.

So, the thing is that people want to do things because they don't want to die. You eat, drink, breath. You basically do anything to stay alive. These days it means you must go to school, get a job, become a hobo, etc.

If you were immortal for example, then everyone would just perform number 2, sit or stand in one place forever because everything has a point at which you don't want to do it anymore. So eventually you will have nothing to do. Life will be meaningless. Maybe you would sleep all day. Or look at the sky all day. Just know that nobody will want to work, so civilization as we know now, will not exist.

By the way, when I said "I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians" I should have noted that it was sarcasm. Everything I just said above, I've heard from "all those scientists/philosophers/theologians".

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Fanboy-ism and the fact that people have a difference of opinion. If you have an opinion on something and you feel strongly about it, most of the time you're going to voice it if someone else's point of view differs. It's just the way we are. If we didn't argue we wouldn't challenge ourselves, develop as people or be able to accept constructive criticism. If the arguments are well-founded and based on facts I see no harm in a good debate. On the other hand, if it is just a personal opinion backed by vague points and nitpicks it probably says more about the person themself than the thing they're arguing about.
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Fanboy-ism and the fact that people have a difference of opinion. If you have an opinion on something and you feel strongly about it, most of the time you're going to voice it if someone else's point of view differs. It's just the way we are. If we didn't argue we wouldn't challenge ourselves, develop as people or be able to accept constructive criticism. If the arguments are well-founded and based on facts I see no harm in a good debate. On the other hand, if it is just a personal opinion backed by vague points and nitpicks it probably says more about the person themself than the thing they're arguing about.danb0

that's probably why those of us who don't go to bed with a copy of HalfLife get annoyed at the fact that those who've played it and go on about it endlessly and have Gordon Freeman avatars etc, always act so superior

i've got the RIGHT TO think HL was so boring i gave it up after 30 mins, and that should be the end of it, but it's not enough for these people to play the game and enjoy it, they have to make everyone else like it too

hmmm, imposing your views on everyone else - what sort of people in history have tried to do that...?

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hmmm, imposing your views on everyone else - what sort of people in history have tried to do that...?jfsebastianII

The individual wills of individual people are meaningless.Those who have no calling must be given one by those who do.They must follow the teachings of those with a greater will.

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#33 lordlors
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[QUOTE="fireandcloud"][QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="fireandcloud"]

[QUOTE="Andrew0987"]why do people do anything? BlackAlpha666

a question that has vexed scientists/philosophers/theologians for many, many years and will continue to do so till the very end...

Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now. I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians.

agreed. it's a simple question really just made complicated and complex by scientists/philosophers/theologians. one who makes simple things complicated or complex is a fool to himself. past exists for the existence of memories regardless of it being bad or good and for the correction of mistakes. present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.

well, that simple answer works for you but what about all those people who are impoverished or have it really rough? i guess in your simplistic viewpoint, they should all kill themselves. and this is mostly a response to the guy who claims to have owned the scientists/philosophers/theologians, but i welcome a response from either.

and by the by, that's just a simplified nietsche-esque philosophy you're spouting, so you didn't actually own anyone; you just duplicated nietsche's thinking.

I don't know what you mean with the people that have it rough. I just don't see what that has to do with what I said. I simply gave you the answer to your question: Why do we do anything?

"Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now."

1. If you plan not to breath, eat, drink, etc, then you will die. You might aswell not have been born in that case. I think that's obvious, right?

2. Let's pretend you don't have to eat, drink and breath. If you decide to stand at the same spot forever until you die of old age, then you've done the same thing. You might aswell not have been born in that case too. You've only been prolonging number 1, the end result is the same.

So, the thing is that people want to do things because they don't want to die. You eat, drink, breath. You basically do anything to stay alive. These days it means you must go to school, get a job, become a hobo, etc.

If you were immortal for example, then everyone would just perform number 2, sit or stand in one place forever because everything has a point at which you don't want to do it anymore. So eventually you will have nothing to do. Life will be meaningless. Maybe you would sleep all day. Or look at the sky all day. Just know that nobody will want to work, so civilization as we know now, will not exist.

By the way, when I said "I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians" I should have noted that it was sarcasm. Everything I just said above, I've heard from "all those scientists/philosophers/theologians".

totally agreed. this is what i mean. we all have a time that we do nothing for relaxation, thinking or divine communication with one's self but we will always do something. also, to the person saying people that have it rough then it further proves my point because they have a stronger sense of purpose to do something unless they are lost and lazy. those who have lost the will to live and are lazy thus doing nothing are destined to fail in life. all people will have rough times in a part of their lives anyway. i just had a very rough time too.

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Everybody is different and have different tastes/ideas/opinions and that is why people debate games.

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#35 fireandcloud
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I don't know what you mean with the people that have it rough. I just don't see what that has to do with what I said. I simply gave you the answer to your question: Why do we do anything?

"Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now."

1. If you plan not to breath, eat, drink, etc, then you will die. You might aswell not have been born in that case. I think that's obvious, right?

2. Let's pretend you don't have to eat, drink and breath. If you decide to stand at the same spot forever until you die of old age, then you've done the same thing. You might aswell not have been born in that case too. You've only been prolonging number 1, the end result is the same.

So, the thing is that people want to do things because they don't want to die. You eat, drink, breath. You basically do anything to stay alive. These days it means you must go to school, get a job, become a hobo, etc.

If you were immortal for example, then everyone would just perform number 2, sit or stand in one place forever because everything has a point at which you don't want to do it anymore. So eventually you will have nothing to do. Life will be meaningless. Maybe you would sleep all day. Or look at the sky all day. Just know that nobody will want to work, so civilization as we know now, will not exist.

By the way, when I said "I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians" I should have noted that it was sarcasm. Everything I just said above, I've heard from "all those scientists/philosophers/theologians".

BlackAlpha666


well, standing in one spot forever in itself would constitute doing something. so then, saying that 'if you don't do anything, you might as well kill yourself' is just redundant in that it echoes the obvious truth that if you don't do something, you don't exist. i guess i kind of combined your response with lordlors' response, in which he stated 'present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.' but now that i heard your explanation, it doesn't seem like you two are saying the same thing. so my response was mainly to landlors, i guess, after all. the reason i mentioned people who have it tough is that for some people finding meaning for their existence can be tough, because they find themselves in severe hardship. that the present exists to make plans and take action works for us, because we have that luxury. not everyone does. for them, survival is such a life-consuming endeavor that the simple answer that you (landlors) propose is not going to satisfy them.

plus, i mainly responded to you, blackalpha666, because i thought your statement was quite arrogant, but since you said that your statement was meant to be sarcastic, i guess i don't have an issue with you after all. but landlors, some of the greatest minds have probed this question, and it's not as simple as you make it out to be. even you, looking back on your life in the future, may question whether that viewpoint you had then (that you have now, that is) was enough for you to be content with.
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#36 lordlors
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[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

I don't know what you mean with the people that have it rough. I just don't see what that has to do with what I said. I simply gave you the answer to your question: Why do we do anything?

"Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now."

1. If you plan not to breath, eat, drink, etc, then you will die. You might aswell not have been born in that case. I think that's obvious, right?

2. Let's pretend you don't have to eat, drink and breath. If you decide to stand at the same spot forever until you die of old age, then you've done the same thing. You might aswell not have been born in that case too. You've only been prolonging number 1, the end result is the same.

So, the thing is that people want to do things because they don't want to die. You eat, drink, breath. You basically do anything to stay alive. These days it means you must go to school, get a job, become a hobo, etc.

If you were immortal for example, then everyone would just perform number 2, sit or stand in one place forever because everything has a point at which you don't want to do it anymore. So eventually you will have nothing to do. Life will be meaningless. Maybe you would sleep all day. Or look at the sky all day. Just know that nobody will want to work, so civilization as we know now, will not exist.

By the way, when I said "I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians" I should have noted that it was sarcasm. Everything I just said above, I've heard from "all those scientists/philosophers/theologians".

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well, standing in one spot forever in itself would constitute doing something. so then, saying that 'if you don't do anything, you might as well kill yourself' is just redundant in that it echoes the obvious truth that if you don't do something, you don't exist. i guess i kind of combined your response with lordlors' response, in which he stated 'present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.' but now that i heard your explanation, it doesn't seem like you two are saying the same thing. so my response was mainly to landlors, i guess, after all. the reason i mentioned people who have it tough is that for some people finding meaning for their existence can be tough, because they find themselves in severe hardship. that the present exists to make plans and take action works for us, because we have that luxury. not everyone does. for them, survival is such a life-consuming endeavor that the simple answer that you (landlors) propose is not going to satisfy them.

plus, i mainly responded to you, blackalpha666, because i thought your statement was quite arrogant, but since you said that your statement was meant to be sarcastic, i guess i don't have an issue with you after all. but landlors, some of the greatest minds have probed this question, and it's not as simple as you make it out to be. even you, looking back on your life in the future, may question whether that viewpoint you had then (that you have now, that is) was enough for you to be content with.

ok but it's just simple for me. it's just the same as why do people breathe? why do people eat? why do people sit or stand? i tend not to make it complex like most intelligent people. a better question which is really complex not simple made complex would be what is reality? and what is the purpose of the existence of man?

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#37 lordlors
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[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

I don't know what you mean with the people that have it rough. I just don't see what that has to do with what I said. I simply gave you the answer to your question: Why do we do anything?

"Because you will die eventually. So if you don't do anything, you might aswell just kill yourself right now."

1. If you plan not to breath, eat, drink, etc, then you will die. You might aswell not have been born in that case. I think that's obvious, right?

2. Let's pretend you don't have to eat, drink and breath. If you decide to stand at the same spot forever until you die of old age, then you've done the same thing. You might aswell not have been born in that case too. You've only been prolonging number 1, the end result is the same.

So, the thing is that people want to do things because they don't want to die. You eat, drink, breath. You basically do anything to stay alive. These days it means you must go to school, get a job, become a hobo, etc.

If you were immortal for example, then everyone would just perform number 2, sit or stand in one place forever because everything has a point at which you don't want to do it anymore. So eventually you will have nothing to do. Life will be meaningless. Maybe you would sleep all day. Or look at the sky all day. Just know that nobody will want to work, so civilization as we know now, will not exist.

By the way, when I said "I guess I just owned all those scientists/philosophers/theologians" I should have noted that it was sarcasm. Everything I just said above, I've heard from "all those scientists/philosophers/theologians".

fireandcloud


well, standing in one spot forever in itself would constitute doing something. so then, saying that 'if you don't do anything, you might as well kill yourself' is just redundant in that it echoes the obvious truth that if you don't do something, you don't exist. i guess i kind of combined your response with lordlors' response, in which he stated 'present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.' but now that i heard your explanation, it doesn't seem like you two are saying the same thing. so my response was mainly to landlors, i guess, after all. the reason i mentioned people who have it tough is that for some people finding meaning for their existence can be tough, because they find themselves in severe hardship. that the present exists to make plans and take action works for us, because we have that luxury. not everyone does. for them, survival is such a life-consuming endeavor that the simple answer that you (landlors) propose is not going to satisfy them.

plus, i mainly responded to you, blackalpha666, because i thought your statement was quite arrogant, but since you said that your statement was meant to be sarcastic, i guess i don't have an issue with you after all. but landlors, some of the greatest minds have probed this question, and it's not as simple as you make it out to be. even you, looking back on your life in the future, may question whether that viewpoint you had then (that you have now, that is) was enough for you to be content with.

contradiciton FTL. surviving and finding the meaning of one's existence is already taking action for the goal and objective of making another goal and objective far deeper and meaningful. those who don't bother to find the meaning of their existence and are doing nothing because of their hardships are the ones who have lost the battles in life and are doomed to fail. life is unfair and that's what i don't like about it. why is life unfair?

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#38 deactivated-5f3fa34a024b3
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i totally think starcraft 2's guna be better, but thats cos im a silly starcraft fanboy, and for good reason, iv played DoW, CoH WiC and many others and the ionly one which has come close to amusing me as much as starcraft is CoH...however im still going to buy both so i dont care which will be better, from the looks fo things they are both going to be great games, i say that about DoW2 because it actually looks like its going down the CoH route in terms of GFX etc...but even if it doesnt, it should provide some good fun gameplay and should keep me busy until SC2 comes out (i assume DoW2 will come out first because Blizz like to take decades when making their games :P)
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I think the answer is, honestly, quite simple. It can be partially explained by the "Greater D**kwad Theory" of Penny Arcade. It can also be explained by the desire for elitist staure and the view by some that they are "always right" or that their opinion is somehow more valid than anothers. It's like saying "X is the best sport ever." It's not. It might be better to that particular person or appeal to persons of a certain demographic, but everyone is different and likes games for different reasons. Also, fan loyalty often gets in the way of honest and unbiased assessment.

Video Games are meant to be entertaining, competitive, and meant to satisfy whatever you need them to do. So who really cares if SC2 is better than DOW2 just as long as you're having fun. When I was posting on the SC2 vs. DOW2 forum arguing that SC2 was going to be way better I stopped myself and realized..why am I doing this! What a waste of time to argue whats better when I enjoy the starcraft series and have fun with it. Who cares if people have more fun with DOW! As a matter of fact, I'm happy they're having fun and I hope DOW2 lives up to their expectations. Videogames should be about fun and lets keep it that way. If some dude has fun playing "Yoda Stories" and thinks its better than DOW or SC then let him think that! Keep Video Gaming for fun and let the critics worry about which game is better.

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#40 BlackAlpha666
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well, standing in one spot forever in itself would constitute doing something. so then, saying that 'if you don't do anything, you might as well kill yourself' is just redundant in that it echoes the obvious truth that if you don't do something, you don't exist. i guess i kind of combined your response with lordlors' response, in which he stated 'present exists for us to make plans and take actions. future exists for the existence of dreams, goals and objectives. past and future gives the reason of existence of present which makes us do anything.' but now that i heard your explanation, it doesn't seem like you two are saying the same thing. so my response was mainly to landlors, i guess, after all. the reason i mentioned people who have it tough is that for some people finding meaning for their existence can be tough, because they find themselves in severe hardship. that the present exists to make plans and take action works for us, because we have that luxury. not everyone does. for them, survival is such a life-consuming endeavor that the simple answer that you (landlors) propose is not going to satisfy them.

plus, i mainly responded to you, blackalpha666, because i thought your statement was quite arrogant, but since you said that your statement was meant to be sarcastic, i guess i don't have an issue with you after all. but landlors, some of the greatest minds have probed this question, and it's not as simple as you make it out to be. even you, looking back on your life in the future, may question whether that viewpoint you had then (that you have now, that is) was enough for you to be content with.fireandcloud

Well, my answer is about people that exist and are alive. If you are alive then you have to do something like standing, sitting, laying, hovering, floating in space, etc. Because, like you said, if you exist then you are doing something. I simply used standing as an example.

Everyone has the luxary of the present (It's not really a luxary because everyone has it). People that have it rough are probably working hard to get money that will allow them to buy things they need to stay alive, just like you said, survival. Maybe they look into their past and they think that they are happy so they will plan to keep on doing whatever they are doing. Maybe they will look into their past and not be satisfied with their life, so they might plan to move away to a different area/country and try their chances there. Or simply just change their life somehow. Maybe they don't know what to change in their life, so they just continue doing whatever they are doing now and simply hope for a miracle to happen that will make their life better.

I've now given you some examples with the past, present and future.

You must note that our responses are simply an answer to why we do things. And it really is simple, you are overthinking it. Our answer wasn't meant to be the answer to the ultimate question and satisfy those people that are poor or have it tough and make them happy by telling them what the purpose of their existance is. Maybe you are confused and thinking that we are talking about the meaning of life, but we are not. What is the meaning of life? I personally don't think we will ever find out.

I think life is unfair so we don't get bored of it.

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#41 fireandcloud
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hey, some nice argument going on here. i'm not going to argue any further, since it really doesn't lead to anywhere good oftentimes (people get offended, annoyed, etc.), but thanks for your thoughtful responses, blackalpha666 and landlors. and i hope no hard feelings.
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#42 nutcrackr
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I have a habit of doing this, partially because I qualify and sometimes quantify the various aspects of each game, then I compare them. In my mind games are clearly better than others, and I sometimes try to get this across

If somebody puts a thread forward about x vs y I'll put my opinion in, but try to avoid arguments. I also don't simply bash games, I see no point in going into threads about games you dislike and saying how much you dislike it - unless its a hate thread.

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[QUOTE="jfsebastianII"]hmmm, imposing your views on everyone else - what sort of people in history have tried to do that...?Rylsadar

The individual wills of individual people are meaningless.Those who have no calling must be given one by those who do.They must follow the teachings of those with a greater will.

please tell me you're being ironic...?