why do people here hate mmos?

and why do you guys ignore pretty much everything the pc offers other than multiplats and console ports? Im not talking about everyone, but 90% of the people here dont seem like pc gamers at all.

Because we PC gamers have higher standarts,unlike the console gamers who play every piece of crap developers throw at them(super mario galaxy 10/10 wtf?)

If we don't like a game why would we spend money on it?

And how did you come to the conclusion that we hate MMOs?

coreybg

Hmm weird,last time I checked WoW had about a million people and was on PC only.

Hmm weird,last time I checked WoW had about a million people and was on PC only.

coreybg

Well that I don't know and I doubt anyone does.All people have different taste.

I don't own any console and i've played most of the MMos. Wow still the best one btw. Also mmo type games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, Borderlands.

I too play many multiplat games, but I also don't ignore the pc stuff. I think part of the mind set here is that gamespot reviews are the gospelTerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Let me tell you why i hate them. Because they are pointless, you just go online, talk, kill level up and do party quest without a main story or a goal or a fun gameplay mechanic to mess with. I can have tons of more fun by playing a singleplayer rpg instead. Also if a game is pc exclusive, that does not mean i have to go for it. I will buy whatever i am interested in and not just for being a pc game. If a game i am interested is multiplat, then ill get it and i could care less if it is multiplat or not. The game is what matters.TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"] I too play many multiplat games, but I also don't ignore the pc stuff. I think part of the mind set here is that gamespot reviews are the gospelChiliDragon

[but does "PC exclusive" automatically make a game worth having and buying? It' shouldn't.ChiliDragon

not a fan of paying monthly for MMOs and all the ones that have an f2p option arent that great (e.x. runescape, anarchy online)

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Let me tell you why i hate them. Because they are pointless, you just go online, talk, kill level up and do party quest without a main story or a goal or a fun gameplay mechanic to mess with. I can have tons of more fun by playing a singleplayer rpg instead. Also if a game is pc exclusive, that does not mean i have to go for it. I will buy whatever i am interested in and not just for being a pc game. If a game i am interested is multiplat, then ill get it and i could care less if it is multiplat or not. The game is what matters.dakan45

Not on ever thread. Eg: i have stop caring about sports, rts and racing games. I am in a thread that i am interested. I was always pc gamer first and ps3 second. But the way consolazation is taking multiple steps forward is making me clearly doubt my faith in pc gaming and how things will evolve in the future.dakan45

The last MMO I really enjoyed alot was Ultima Online and that was sooooooooooooo long ago :(

I have high hopes for the starwars KOTOR one though

The last MMO I really enjoyed alot was Ultima Online and that was sooooooooooooo long ago :(

I have high hopes for the starwars KOTOR one though

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]"fair enough, although I have doubts about the viability of console gaming when microsoft, sony, and most the heavyweight publishers cant even turn a long term profit anymore." What do you mean by that? Are you saying console devs/publishers aren't making any money?dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Ehmm crysis 2 is a multiplat.... far cry 2 became a cheapy console focused multiplat. MW2 did not have lean or dedicated servers. Thats what i mean, everything is turned into a console focused game. Here goes deus ex to fit in right along with the rest. Bad company 2 and batman arkham asylum....i respect them, wonderfull job on the pc version.;)TerrorRizzing

and why do you guys ignore pretty much everything the pc offers other than multiplats and console ports? Im not talking about everyone, but 90% of the people here dont seem like pc gamers at all.

TerrorRizzing

Some wild accusations being thrown around here. Firstly, if we didn't play multiplats we'd be in dire sitatuations since exclusives are barely ever produced for the platform anymore. Obviously we're happier when an exclusive rolls around - it means the game is being designed for PC primarily and won't bare the usual problems that comes with a port (poor control design, poor user interface, fail mouse support).

I'm not sure anyone 'hates' MMOs here just on principle, but there are a few glaring problems that most, if not all, people have. Firstly, I'm not a fan of paying a fee every month to play a game - it may be an updating, dense game, but generally, I don't consider it worth it. I'm waiting for an MMO to prove me wrong. The other issue, is that in time, most MMOs die out, and all the effort the user has put into their characters is all lost. This formula seems to be pretty consistent - if your MMO isn't World of Warcraft, it's not going to thrive for too long.

I'm not sure anyone 'hates' MMOs here just on principle, but there are a few glaring problems that most, if not all, people have...1carus

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]"fair enough, although I have doubts about the viability of console gaming when microsoft, sony, and most the heavyweight publishers cant even turn a long term profit anymore." What do you mean by that? Are you saying console devs/publishers aren't making any money?TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="1carus"]I'm not sure anyone 'hates' MMOs here just on principle, but there are a few glaring problems that most, if not all, people have...Renevent42

You're absolutely right. I was gonna respond by saying "When did I say it was the general consensus?" and then I realised I actually did write that. Hmph... I'm tired right now. My intention was to contain that piece on MMOs as my own opinion. I don't doubt that most don't have an issue with either of the points I raised.

WoW and its clones are a plague to what an MMO could be. Something with so much potential is wasted on grinding, poorly thought out quests, linear character progression, timesinks which don't serve any purpose (achievements), not skill based and slower based combat that seems tacked on.

Is it really that hard for an MMO to have a large world to explore that shapes the character depending on actions, quests that are in line with characters, and a fluid skill based combat system like Mount & Blade?

[QUOTE="1carus"]I'm not sure anyone 'hates' MMOs here just on principle, but there are a few glaring problems that most, if not all, people have...Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="1carus"]I'm not sure anyone 'hates' MMOs here just on principle, but there are a few glaring problems that most, if not all, people have...Mcspanky37

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="1carus"]I'm not sure anyone 'hates' MMOs here just on principle, but there are a few glaring problems that most, if not all, people have...Mcspanky37

[QUOTE="Mcspanky37"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Considering how many people play MMO's, I'd say what you said is a minority opinion.TerrorRizzing

here is your proof
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B0

You're claiming that most PC gamers regularly play MMO's? Any proof? Or just a guess?Mcspanky37

Let's call it an educated guess... And proof? One look at WoW's sales gives some indication of MMO's popularity on the PC...and that's just ONE game. Factor in all the other MMO's and their sales...well I think it's pretty obvious MMO's make up a pretty hefty portion of the PC gaming user base.

Of course you could disagree...but I don't think the actual facts would support your position ;)

You're absolutely right. I was gonna respond by saying "When did I say it was the general consensus?" and then I realised I actually did write that. Hmph... I'm tired right now. My intention was to contain that piece on MMOs as my own opinion. I don't doubt that most don't have an issue with either of the points I raised.

1carus

Oh no problem man, I'm not disgareeing with your opinion anyways. I don't see much value in MMO's either these days, but there was a time when I did play and had fun. Maybe in the future when a new type of MMO emerges I will once again see the value...but for now no.

well you arent wrong, except someone will come on here and claim pc gaming is in the dumps. TerrorRizzing

IMO, if all we get this year exclusively is star craft 2, a wow expansion, dawn of war 2 chaos rising, napoleon total war, stalker call of pripyat, the arma 2 expansion, the definitive version of portal 2 (valve games feel cheap on console to me), and a few indy titles we already have the best lineup.TerrorRizzing

I hate MMOs because they paint a bleak picture of a future where all PC games are crappy clickfests that you have to pay a monthly fee to play.

Oh and another thing, death to spies, a pc exclusive, its not that its not good, its just that i am not interested and many people dont either. However scorpion disfugired and necrovision were ok, kinda weak titles but atleast interesting to play.dakan45

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]well you arent wrong, except someone will come on here and claim pc gaming is in the dumps. ChiliDragon

IMO, if all we get this year exclusively is star craft 2, a wow expansion, dawn of war 2 chaos rising, napoleon total war, stalker call of pripyat, the arma 2 expansion, the definitive version of portal 2 (valve games feel cheap on console to me), and a few indy titles we already have the best lineup.TerrorRizzing

^Exactly i for one couldnt care less for dawn or war 2, was, napoleon total war and i am debating wherever to get starcaft 2 or portal 2. So at the end i will be most likely to talk with a multiplatform game instead that i am interested like say rage, mafia 2, deus ex.dakan45

[QUOTE="Mcspanky37"]You're claiming that most PC gamers regularly play MMO's? Any proof? Or just a guess?Renevent42

Let's call it an educated guess... And proof? One look at WoW's sales gives some indication of MMO's popularity on the PC...and that's just ONE game. Factor in all the other MMO's and their sales...well I think it's pretty obvious MMO's make up a pretty hefty portion of the PC gaming user base.

Of course you could disagree...but I don't think the actual facts would support your position ;)

You're absolutely right. I was gonna respond by saying "When did I say it was the general consensus?" and then I realised I actually did write that. Hmph... I'm tired right now. My intention was to contain that piece on MMOs as my own opinion. I don't doubt that most don't have an issue with either of the points I raised.

1carus

Oh no problem man, I'm not disgareeing with your opinion anyways. I don't see much value in MMO's either these days, but there was a time when I did play and had fun. Maybe in the future when a new type of MMO emerges I will once again see the value...but for now no.

What's your guess of the amount of paid MMO players? My guess? ~9-11 million max. You're telling me that there's only 18-22 million people who play games on the PC (even just occasionally?)

Intel's guess? Well, they say estimate there's 100-150 million enthusiast PC gamers. That's back in 2009. Not only your educated guess is bad, it's hundreds of milles off the mark.