Why does everyone hate vista?

Vista is overpriced and unnecessary IMO, it tries to make everything all "casual friendly" and gives a LOT of un-necessary thing with it (like those clocks and slideshows and different menus) and ends up sucking a lot of RAM, and it's just flat-out (IMO) not worth the price! Not to mention it's hardly compatable with any hardware except the latest.

Then Microsoft tries to fool us into buying it buy making games that were a hit on consoles a few years ago, exclusive for their OS (Halo 2). To make things worse, GFW Live also sucks for the 3 games it supports. Anyway, not only that, but "DX10" hardly makes any difference (I've only noticed a change in World in Conflict, even Crysis doesn't fully utilize it, this is what Crysis SHOULD have looked like with a monster PC using Vista.) and MS uses it to boast about vista and flaunt it in our faces.

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

Running Home Premium, and I love it. Not that XP is bad, xp is good too, but I do like vista a little better.

Because it's b******s - next question?jfsebastianII

bollocks is a bad word?

(if a mod is reading this, I'm sorry if bollocks needs to be censored or not, I'm just unsure, if so, just edit it out please.)

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

ElArab

Just disable UAC. First thing you need to do with vista. By simple accessibility knowledge i got in one of my software interface courses you could say Vista is more accessible, as being a fact. You only need to get used to it, in 3-4 days tops.

Running Home Premium, and I love it. Not that XP is bad, xp is good too, but I do like vista a little better.

GPAddict

Same here. Couldn't switch to XP.

[QUOTE="ElArab"]

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

CubePrime_basic

Just disable UAC. First thing you need to do with vista. Just by simple accessibility classes i had in one of my software interface course you could say Vista is more accessible, as being a fact. You only need to get used to it, in 3-4 days tops.

If anyone thinks clicking continue is confusing they shoudln't be using computers. It only happens with programs that require admin rights but now developers are learning to code properly without screwing with system files. Its also there for a good reason.

Running Home Premium, and I love it. Not that XP is bad, xp is good too, but I do like vista a little better.

GPAddict

Same here.

[QUOTE="jfsebastianII"]Because it's b******s - next question?ElArab

bollocks is a bad word?

(if a mod is reading this, I'm sorry if bollocks needs to be censored or not, I'm just unsure, if so, just edit it out please.)

Well, actually, you're right - in the famous Sex Pistols LP cover trial in the late 70s, a UK high court judge ruled that 'bollocks' (there you go) was not an obscene word, but i guess i was trying not to offend anyone's sensibilities...

[QUOTE="CubePrime_basic"][QUOTE="ElArab"]

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

Deihmos

Just disable UAC. First thing you need to do with vista. Just by simple accessibility classes i had in one of my software interface course you could say Vista is more accessible, as being a fact. You only need to get used to it, in 3-4 days tops.

If anyone thinks clicking continue is confusing they shoudln't be using computers. It only happens with programs that require admin rights but now developers are learning to right programs without them screwing with system files. Its also there for a good reason.

Lol, don't take me 100% literally here, I meant that in order to "protect" the idiots, they decided that it would be a good idea to warn you that you may be doing something wrong (just maybe) every time you click something, so then it takes it's time loading the little window, then I click continue, and get irritated because it's wasting time. It's my moms laptop so I could care less what she does with it, I'm not gonna change anything if she's content with it.

It has changed a lot of interface stuff, and it has made them too cluttered in it's attempt to make things "simple" though, and that's my problem with it, therefore I called it "confusing" so my wall of text wouldn't be bigger than the wall in china.

I now have it running on two PC's and I haven't had any crashes, restarts or anything... plus the Air Force is adopting it really quick.

It's just the 'In" thing to hate microsoft and their os's.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="CubePrime_basic"][QUOTE="ElArab"]

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

ElArab

Just disable UAC. First thing you need to do with vista. Just by simple accessibility classes i had in one of my software interface course you could say Vista is more accessible, as being a fact. You only need to get used to it, in 3-4 days tops.

If anyone thinks clicking continue is confusing they shoudln't be using computers. It only happens with programs that require admin rights but now developers are learning to right programs without them screwing with system files. Its also there for a good reason.

Lol, don't take me 100% literally here, I meant that in order to "protect" the idiots, they decided that it would be a good idea to warn you that you may be doing something wrong (just maybe) every time you click something, so then it takes it's time loading the little window, then I click continue, and get irritated because it's wasting time. It's my moms laptop so I could care less what she does with it, I'm not gonna change anything if she's content with it.

It has changed a lot of interface stuff, and it has made them too cluttered in it's attempt to make things "simple" though, and that's my problem with it, therefore I called it "confusing" so my wall of text wouldn't be bigger than the wall in china.

Lol, don't take me 100% literally here, I meant that in order to "protect" the idiots, they decided that it would be a good idea to warn you that you may be doing something wrong (just maybe) every time you click something, so then it takes it's time loading the little window, then I click continue, and get irritated because it's wasting time. It's my moms laptop so I could care less what she does with it, I'm not gonna change anything if she's content with it.

It has changed a lot of interface stuff, and it has made them too cluttered in it's attempt to make things "simple".

ElArab

It has nothing to do with being an "idiot" All UAC does is give programs standard user rights and you the user is responsible for elevating those rights if the program requires it. There are many cases where a website can install something on your PC without you knowing but with UAC that is not possible. Also a virus program can only catch known threats. I like the control it gives but I know not everyone will like it. I only have two programs that need admin rights.

I disagree with what you say about the interface. I can find anything in no time without browsing any menus and it is much faster.

Don"t blame Vista.Blame GPU Graphic Driver Companies!!!!

Jim78

When the main selling point is a system hog app that does little more than change the aesthetics, you know a new OS is uncalled for.Hot_Potato

What? Aero hogs resources? This is news to me. The difference in memory consumption for Vista Aero and Vista Basic is ~2MB of memory for the explorer.exe shell process. The hardware-accelerated Aero window manager is vastly superior to XP's window manager anyways, certainly worth 2MB of memory and an extremely minor load on your GPU.

Maybe you're thinking of Superfetch. Even then, Superfetch releases resources quite effectively when a program demands it. The only reason I have it disabled is because it causes constant HDD grinding (probably acessing the page file extremely frequently.)

These people saying Vista is a "memory hog" have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Yes, Vista has higher requirements than XP, and it consumes more memory than XP at idle, but it's also much better at managing memory than XP is. The reason you see high memory consumption at idle is because Superfetch pre-loads resources for frequently-used programs in order to give such programs quicker start-up times. Once a memory-demanding program comes in to focus, the Superfetch service loses priority, releases currently used resources, and is denied access to memory.

Don't like a feature? Don't complain about it. Disable it. It only takes a few seonds.

Yes, a few features are poorly implemented (I personally have UAC, Windows Defender, File Indexing, Superfetch, and a few other things disabled.) Vista certainly isn't the second coming, but it isn't a bad operating system by any means. I prefer it over XP..and if I didn't, I would've reinstalled XP by now. Most of the people saying "VISTA SUCKS!!1one11" have probably never even used it and are basing their opinions on flawed second-hand information, or have simply not spent enough time with it to know what they're talking about.

Vista is overpriced and unnecessary IMO, it tries to make everything all "casual friendly" and gives a LOT of un-necessary thing with it (like those clocks and slideshows and different menus) and ends up sucking a lot of RAM, and it's just flat-out (IMO) not worth the price! Not to mention it's hardly compatable with any hardware except the latest.

Then Microsoft tries to fool us into buying it buy making games that were a hit on consoles a few years ago, exclusive for their OS (Halo 2). To make things worse, GFW Live also sucks for the 3 games it supports. Anyway, not only that, but "DX10" hardly makes any difference (I've only noticed a change in World in Conflict, even Crysis doesn't fully utilize it, this is what Crysis SHOULD have looked like with a monster PC using Vista.) and MS uses it to boast about vista and flaunt it in our faces.

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

ElArab

Hey numbnuts, it's a security measure, turn of UAC and you will never see it again!

VISTA= BUG

still remember xp sp1? tons of bugs there, and i moved from windows2000 to Xp untile they have XP SP2.

So the same, wait for vista2

There is nothing wrong with Vista other than you need 2GB of ram, you will lose maybe 3-5fps in your games, and you likely won't be able to play games that came out in 1995. If you can live with that then you will get a great OS that is much better than XP.

Most of the people who "hate" Vista never even used it, they are just going on all the release crap. Let this be a lesson to everyone, you don't buy a new OS when it is released! I just got it 6 months ago and it works great now.

I use Vista, too, and it's working fine for me.

I blame all the Apple fanboys for stirring up all this unwarranted criticism... Certainly, Vista had quite a few hitches when it was first released (and it wasn't even Microsoft's fault, it was the hardware companies that didn't ship proper drivers at release).

But, as stable and good as Vista is, the problem is that Vista is just really unnecessary at the moment. Direct-X 10 is useless at the moment, and it feels too similar to XP, and it doesn't really bring any new things to the table.

Vista is a great OS, but I will admit that it is one of these most disappointing Windows release in years, simply because it feels too similar to XP and altogether, is really unnecessary.

But still, it's a decent OS and provides a much needed kernel update to the Windows family. I'm waiting for Windows 7, though. Hopefully, it'll be a real step over Vista.

Vista works fine, if not great, on DX10 equipment. If you're running a Duo+, 2+GB RAM, and a DX10 graphics card, you'll have no problems with Vista, so long as you're not an idiot. If you're running sub-DX10 equipment, yeah; you'll see performance hits and have some problems.TheCyberKnight

I got it with my new comp and well I am neutral with it, mainly because I never used xp on that comp and well I can't see the difference. So far, I notice the interface is wird and I had to diseable vista overbearing user account control ( extreme annoyance).

I only switched to vista because of game like Alan Wake and because I knew I would have to switch to Vista eventually and with SP1 coming in 15 days, it's should be more acceptable.

its not that i hate vista, its just that atm it is too expensive and i runs games worse than xp does. It just uses to many resources thats all. When the first service pack comes out i might consider getting it.

well there are several reasons why people hate vista

1)They are noobs who dont know how to tweak settings

2) They have crapy computers and claim vista is a resource hog when really there computer just sucks. A hint people new OS=new computer and by new I mean as in good, not laptops you got at futureshop.

3)They dont have a 5 year memory span when XP was released and was even suckier than vista when it came to compatibility.

Those are pretty much the only reasons why people hate vista. So here is my advice if you are getting a new computer and have printers, scanners etc that aren't old you can safely run vista. Its a good, stable OS and I have had no problems with my 64bit version.

I hate Vista purely because it is Overpriced Bloatware that destroys harddrives and uses far more RAM than it should for normal operation. I say this from having to repair close to 270 freaking laptops that all ran VISTA and all needed HDD replacements. Some have even had to come back several times. Though to be fair there were some XP ones as well, but far less (about 20)

I'm no M$ fan, I only use it because I have to for my job.

I hate Vista purely because it is Overpriced Bloatware that destroys harddrives and uses far more RAM than it should for normal operation. I say this from having to repair close to 270 freaking laptops that all ran VISTA and all needed HDD replacements. Some have even had to come back several times. Though to be fair there were some XP ones as well, but far less (about 20)

I'm no M$ fan, I only use it because I have to for my job.

Nuchaleft

Wow, seriously?

Do them a favor and disable Superfetch when they bring their systems in :P

The instant I did that, the hard-drive grinding ceased. Still, I don't understand how HDD bearings could possibly wear out that fast even if it's constantly in motion. (actually, it's supposedly periodic start-stop motion that wears down on HDD bearing and lubracation quickly.) I assume these systems are pretty new if they had Vista installed? I wonder if it's heat-related.

People fear what they don't understand - that is right there hits the nail on the head. I have encountered people who bash Vista not from the simple fact they have tried, but recieved second hand or some other hand knowledge.

What Foxhound basically stated sums up what I had just noted, I have not had any problems playing any new or old titles on either of my two Vista based systems. I can play Final Fanasy 7, MOH:AA, which MOH:AA had major issues when XP Service Pack 2 was released. I can play BF2 just fine, UT3, Portal, and TF2 all on Vista without any issues.

The only problems I have ever had resorts down to the same XP issues when it comes down to hardware, namely multicore issues with a few games, which can be easily remedied with changing the Affinity on those selected titles.

i have vista, and i must say i quite like it. i have not had any gaming problems really- older games dont always work straight from install but patches and the vista "compatability mode" sort them out.

i do have 4gb ram (only cost £70) so that probably helps as it does seem to use 700-900 megs ram idling

the only game that gives me serious frame rate issues is NWN2 but from what i read that game is quite badly optmised anyway. i turn the shadows off and run everything else high. i can run all other games on highest (except crysis demo - but medium settings looked pretty damn good to me)

the thing that destroys my frame rate on any game is Vsync, that truly is the devils own graphics setting (difference between 15 fps in oblivion and 100+ fps)

I dont hate it, but im not upgrading from WinXP anytime soon. When a new OS comes out its always buggy and has loopholes/security risks and can sometimes be pretty unstable which needs lots of patching.

I also read a number of tests done showed that games actually ran slower on Vista at the moment than they do on WinXP. Unless you have a DX10 card, its not really worth getting just yet. I'll probably stick with WinXP for the next year or two at least.

Games like Halo2 which are Vista only.. well thats no big loss. While i might want to play those games, any developer that wants to limit their market can suffer for their own stupidity. I doubt many games will be Vista only anyway.. and even when they do become the 'norm'.. there will be lots of threads asking how game xxx can work under WinXP. Most people can't afford to upgrade constantly.

Vista does seem like a good OS, but im used to WinXP and have no need to upgrade. I dont havn't anything against Vista.. it comes with a chess game. :P

I'll tell ya what the main problem with Vista is. It's not it's bugs, It's not becuase people "love to hate it," I mean c'mon, does anyone really "love to hate?" Hate is the unhealthiest stress we can put on our bodies and souls. It's not anything at all about Vista itself. It's simple psychology (or pride, call it what you want).

People simply do NOT like to be told what to do. I don't care if you LOVE microsoft, I'm sure you'd be a hypocrite if you said, "Ya, I love ms telling what to do and how and what I should have on my computer."

If you want to buy a new comp right now, good luck finding one that doesn't have Vista on it. Ya, I know, you can find a comp with XP on it if you "really" look, but you all know what I mean. Basically, ms is saying, "you want a new comp? Then you should be using what we want you to use and that's Vista."

Reinforcing that with the fact that they stop supporting their older products just proves more that ms wants you using what "they" want you to use. They don't care what WE the consumer want. IF they really did care, they'd still be supporting Win98 which a ton of ppl still use and love, and they wouldn't be halting their support of XP soon as well.

We have Cnc machines at work that are over 20 years old that we can still get support for. This has made the company that made them (Gerber) practically legendary and very loved in our industry, not hated like ms is.

Just my quick 2 cents worth (well, maybe not so quick) but I'll be the first to step up and be honest about it. I don't like ms telling me what to do. I only started using XP Pro about a year and change ago from Win98SE because I "had" to on my new comp that I build. My mobo and chip just did not come with drivers for Win98SE (or maybe I just couldn't find them, whatever).

I will not ever go to Vista unless I "have" to again. I like XP, it ain't broke, and if it ain't broke I don't wanna have to fix it.

Ms on the other hand has the opposite thinking. They like, "If it's finally smoothed out, let's break it." LOL.

Vista is overpriced and unnecessary IMO, it tries to make everything all "casual friendly" and gives a LOT of un-necessary thing with it (like those clocks and slideshows and different menus) and ends up sucking a lot of RAM, and it's just flat-out (IMO) not worth the price! Not to mention it's hardly compatable with any hardware except the latest.

Then Microsoft tries to fool us into buying it buy making games that were a hit on consoles a few years ago, exclusive for their OS (Halo 2). To make things worse, GFW Live also sucks for the 3 games it supports. Anyway, not only that, but "DX10" hardly makes any difference (I've only noticed a change in World in Conflict, even Crysis doesn't fully utilize it, this is what Crysis SHOULD have looked like with a monster PC using Vista.) and MS uses it to boast about vista and flaunt it in our faces.

It's also a pain in the ass to use sometimes, my moms laptop has vista and I'm way more use to XP since it's so simple, but, Vistas biggest flaw, is in it's attempts to make things simple, it made it 10 times more complicated, I mean, every time I open a program it a window pops up saying "allow this program?" - or if I empty the recycle bin, "Need permission to empty recycle bin" - I hate it, and I'll never get it unless windows XP becomes totally obsolete....but, why get vista when I could get Linux or Ubuntu or something.

ElArab

We have a Winner =D