Why PC and not Mac?

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#1 tank2tank
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Well, I'm sure lots of you will probably be annoyed at this thread as its almost certianly not the first thread like it, but I thought I'd just like to start another little ah... Mac/PC argument because erm... I really love Macs. OK, I'm not asking for you all to start complaining "Macs suck PCs rule" or yelling abuse at each other but what I'm just wondering is why shouldn't there be more games for Mac? Its certainly a very able platform for gaming, and there really isn't any reason why us Mac gamers should constantly be abandoned. Things are getting better for Mac gamers- Gears of War's been announced for it and COD4 and other big games are available Im pretty sure.....

Well... tell me what you think.

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#2 xsfseal
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pc users> mac users.
i think its because there isnt alot to be had in making every game for mac if enough people dont buy it.
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#3 RK-Mara
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Too small userbase and deals with Microsoft.
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#4 SaintJimmmy
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cause video games hate the mac.

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#5 Makemap
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Stuff cost more unless you upgrade a PC. Built in web Camera someone could hack it and watch you. Even though it looks nice you can't change the case, only colours. Don't really know how to upgrade a Mac. Not much Mac upgrade parts.
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#6 filmography
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because mac computers suck upgradability, price graphics etc. Macs are not good for games, although not so bad for video related stuff.
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#7 mike7677
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Get a Mac that can run PC apps.
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#8 Swiftstrike5
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Because apple is just as bad, if not worse, than M$. Look at how much they sell the Ipod for, the Iphone... it's a joke.
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#9 OoSuperMarioO
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Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.
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#10 Velocitas8
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Because:

-I don't like overpaying for my hardware.

-I like being able to customize every aspect of my machine and operating system.

-Mac OS X has support for far fewer applications than Windows does.

-Just to expand on that last one, Mac OS X supports very few games. Only a select few major titles ever get supported.

-I've used Windows all my life. I'm happy with it. No, I don't need a more "user-friendly" operating system. If anything, I'm going to be going in the opposite direction pretty soon, picking up and learning my way around Linux (I'm going to get my hands on and install a good "learning experience" distro like Arch Linux.)

-I know how to properly maintain my system. Using "there's virii and malware on Windows!" as an argument for switching to the Mac platform isn't very convincing when I never come across them in the first place. Not being a complete retard helps with this aspect.

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#11 dnuggs40
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Simple answer...

The PC user base is MUCH larger then the Mac user base.

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#12 Ps2stony
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Because with every PC you buy you save a child from turning into an emo. Haha!

But seriously, folks...

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#14 OoSuperMarioO
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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.General_X
On a PC...

Thx for the link. I believe the 8 core processor for Mac has been out since 2007. Curious to see a benchmark for this setup though.
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#15 Meu2k7
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Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.OoSuperMarioO

Most Graphic Design ( Which is not intense at all ) and Animation software is available on windows, theres a small list of niche industry products ( Granted some required by industry standards ) ... but for home use .... there more than enough on Windows.

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#16 mfsa
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Things are getting better for Mac gamers- Gears of War's been announced for it

tank2tank

Joke thread.

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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.Meu2k7

Most Graphic Design ( Which is not intense at all ) and Animation software is available on windows, theres a small list of niche industry products ( Granted some required by industry standards ) ... but for home use .... there more than enough on Windows.

True but Mac computers are pretty much the standard for these applications when you involve work. As for home use then yea Windows offer this. Please take into account that I mention "more" like 3d rendering ect. Nevertheless great points.
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#18 Ps2stony
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.OoSuperMarioO

Most Graphic Design ( Which is not intense at all ) and Animation software is available on windows, theres a small list of niche industry products ( Granted some required by industry standards ) ... but for home use .... there more than enough on Windows.

True but Mac computers are pretty much the standard for these applications when you involve work. As for home use then yea Windows offer this. Please take into account that I mention "more" like 3d rendering ect. Nevertheless great points.

Windows wins because the guy that made it is called "Gates". Do you know how cool that is??
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#19 MyopicCanadian
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I don't think there are any good reasons. Games being published for the Mac seem to be doing well since it was previously an untapped market...

It's good to see that id is doing a lot of stuff for the Mac. Their new game RAGE is being developed on PC/MAC/PS3/360 all at the same time.

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#20 OoSuperMarioO
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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.Ps2stony

Most Graphic Design ( Which is not intense at all ) and Animation software is available on windows, theres a small list of niche industry products ( Granted some required by industry standards ) ... but for home use .... there more than enough on Windows.

True but Mac computers are pretty much the standard for these applications when you involve work. As for home use then yea Windows offer this. Please take into account that I mention "more" like 3d rendering ect. Nevertheless great points.

Windows wins because the guy that made it is called "Gates". Do you know how cool that is??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpCMJ2xlLfo

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#21 Ps2stony
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[QUOTE="Ps2stony"][QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]Macs are great for intense stuff like Graphic Design, animations and more. Macs are also very expensive but they do come pack with some power. I believe the top of the line procesors have reach an overwhelimg 8 cores of brutal power, correct me if I'm wrong.OoSuperMarioO

Most Graphic Design ( Which is not intense at all ) and Animation software is available on windows, theres a small list of niche industry products ( Granted some required by industry standards ) ... but for home use .... there more than enough on Windows.

True but Mac computers are pretty much the standard for these applications when you involve work. As for home use then yea Windows offer this. Please take into account that I mention "more" like 3d rendering ect. Nevertheless great points.

Windows wins because the guy that made it is called "Gates". Do you know how cool that is??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpCMJ2xlLfo

Yeah, I think I saw that when Gates showed us Vista.
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#22 corruptionofmin
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Apple are communists forcing people to use what hardware they thing is best. How you going to get the best gaming experience when Mac says what's best to use? If you're on a Apple Mac Pro I'll give you props because doesn't that allow hardware upgrades?
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#23 osan0
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apple do make some very nice hardware (that 8 core behemoth they have is very nice). and with the ability to put XP on it, its quite nice.

however, a mac with just its own OS wouldnt be my thing. it lacks games support. its kinda improving but why suffer it when PCs have the whole 9 yards? i mean what, exactly, does a mac do that a PC cant (genuine question)?

for the same hardware, PCs also tend to be cheaper. they may not be as nice looking but i look at my monitor anyway so that doesent bother me. i also get to choose exactly what goes into my PC, apple dont seem to be as flexible in this regard.

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i would buy a new mac if i could afford it but unfortunately i cant, plus i enjoy building as much as anything
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#25 Bromz
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"Mac Gamer" is an oxymoron. If you're a gamer you don't game on a mac. You could maybe be a pc gamer who also has a mac...
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#26 gozalo
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-I've used Windows all my life. I'm happy with it. No, I don't need a more "user-friendly" operating system. If anything, I'm going to be going in the opposite direction pretty soon, picking up and learning my way around Linux (I'm going to get my hands on and install a good "learning experience" distro like Arch Linux.)

Velocitas8

Mac OSX is based on a linux kernel, learn to use the Mac console, you learn to use the linux console.

An I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most of you have never owned or used for a long period of time a Mac.

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#27 DJGOON
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Well most importantly DirectX belongs to Microsoft and is the industry stanadard. If OpenGL rises in favour again then there would be more mac titles.

Macs are to my understanding not easily upgradeable, nor can you build your own system. That makes a Mac more expensive and shortens its life span.

The Mac market is to appeal to users who need a PC but find a PC to complicated. Thats why graphic designers and the artsy type are the ones mainly attracted to the Mac (and because they look cool).

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#28 GodLovesDead
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Macs are simply bad for gaming. Extremely expensive macs will have a hard time running games even on the most modest of settings. If you spent that same money on a PC, you could max every game out there for a year or so.
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#29 RobertBowen
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Apple are directly responsible for the dire gaming opportunites on the Mac platform. For a long time they simply looked down their noses at the rest of the industry. They wouldn't use anything but their own locked in hardware for a long time, wouldn't port their OS to other platforms, and and never really supported game developers. They pretty much left the market wide open for Microsoft to gobble it up. Now Macs are unfortunately a niche market, and Mac gamers are an even smaller niche market, so it is not very attractive for publishers/developers to market their games on that platform.

Don't misunderstand me here...I know there are a lot of games that have been ported to the Mac over the years, and now with the introduction of Intel processors it is somewhat easier to port other games to the platform, or run Windows on a Mac and get them working that way.

But if the Mac is ever to become a large and viable gaming platform, it needs to be driven from above, and I don't think the will is really there to do so. Taking on the might of Microsoft is a headache for any company - it's like David taking on Goliath, unless you're smart you're going to feel a lot of pain.

I'd love to see both Macs and Linux platforms become viable alternatives to Windows for gaming needs, but that would require a massive groundswell movement within the gaming industry to embrace more open standards (like OpenGL) and a willingness to port games to other PC platforms, just as they would with different consoles. That has to be seen to be financially viable, and at the moment it just isn't. Maybe with the relatively poor response to Vista, more PC users will be looking for alternatives to Windows in the future. Personally I've been exploring Linux distros like Ubuntu and OpenSuse, which have matured a great deal from when I last tried them. There is still a way to go before they can pass the idiot test, ie, the everyday consumer being able to pick them up and use them on a day to day basis without having to worry about jumping through hoops to get hardware to run. Giving credit where it's due, Windows has been a very accessible and user-friendly platform (for the most part), and the same has not been true of Linux until recent years.

I think many developers will be watching Id Software to see if they can actually turn a profit on the Mac. Maybe then other developers will take a cautious step out of the Microsoft closet and explore new possibilities. It's good to see the likes of Nvidia and ATI taking Linux more seriously by providing more robust drivers. If only other hardware vendors would follow suit, I'm sure Linux distros would be more widely utilised, and thereby increase the potential gamer market on those platforms.

Apple could do much more to open up their own platform, and actively seek to support the gaming industry. One way to do that would be to increase support for a wider range of hardware, and free their OS from being tied to just Macs. Increasing OS market share would have a dramatic knock-on effect and make it a more viable platform for game development in the long term.

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Because apple is just as bad, if not worse, than M$. Look at how much they sell the Ipod for, the Iphone... it's a joke. Swiftstrike5
Yep...
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#31 Velocitas8
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Mac OSX is based on a linux kernel, learn to use the Mac console, you learn to use the linux console.gozalo

And just why would I want to do that? Consiering Mac OS X is (mostly) closed-source and you need proprietary hardware to simply install it (legally, according to the licensing agreement) what motivation is there for me to use Mac OS X?

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#32 WDT-BlackKat
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Amiga ownz u all.

Seriously though... why isn't this Mac drivel in system wars or something?

I'd rather try pooing out broken glass than buy any prebuilt desktop computer, be it a Mac, Dell, HP...

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#33 Lehman
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pc users> mac users.
i think its because there isnt alot to be had in making every game for mac if enough people dont buy it.
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#34 Herrick
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I know how to properly maintain my system. Using "there's virii and malware on Windows!" as an argument for switching to the Mac platform isn't very convincing when I never come across them in the first place. Not being a complete retard helps with this aspect.

Velocitas8

Yeah, pretty much. I haven't had a serious computer problem with viruses since 2001 & back then I didn't know how to properly take care of my PC. It takes a bit of research but once you learn how to take care of a PC, then it's not that difficult. It also helps that I am genuinely interested in how the PC works and all of that good stuff.

Another reason I've heard for switching to a Mac is because of how annoying Vista is. People have had problems with the constant "confirm you want to run this program" messages. Now, I haven't used Vista yet but I'm sure there's a relatively easy way to get around that problem.

Until Macs drastically drop in price and/or I get tired of PC gaming, I will probably never get a Mac. Hell, I think I'd even stick with the PC even if I get tired of gaming. I'm just too used to a PC.

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#35 gozalo
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[QUOTE="gozalo"]Mac OSX is based on a linux kernel, learn to use the Mac console, you learn to use the linux console.Velocitas8

And just why would I want to do that? Consiering Mac OS X is (mostly) closed-source and you need proprietary hardware to simply install it (legally, according to the licensing agreement) what motivation is there for me to use Mac OS X?

There is none, it was just a comment.

Written to you from a Macbook.

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#36 gozalo
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Hell, I think I'd even stick with the PC even if I get tired of gaming. I'm just too used to a PC.

Herrick

Imagine you have been eating poop your whole life, then suddenly you started eating chocolate, it looks alike but its really so much better, don't be scared to try something new.

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#37 Velocitas8
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[QUOTE="Herrick"]

Hell, I think I'd even stick with the PC even if I get tired of gaming. I'm just too used to a PC.

gozalo

Imagine you have been eating poop your whole life, then suddenly you started eating chocolate, it looks alike but its really so much better, don't be scared to try something new.

I'd love some examples of how this analogy even remotely applies, please.

There is none, it was just a comment.

Written to you from a Macbook.

gozalo

Oh, okay. Want a cookie? Understand that I never said I dislike Macs. Actually, I think Macbook Pros in particular are great machines (only Apple product I'd consider buying.) I simply said that I don't need nor want one. What's annoying about many in the Mac fanbase is that they're constantly acting like they need to convert people. It gets old after a while.

Another reason I've heard for switching to a Mac is because of how annoying Vista is. People have had problems with the constant "confirm you want to run this program" messages. Now, I haven't used Vista yet but I'm sure there's a relatively easy way to get around that problem. Herrick

Vista isn't without its issues, but most of the people who spout this crap have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Disabling impedances to power users like UAC takes about 60 seconds + reboot time.

In my experience, the biggest failure of Vista is the implementation of Superfetch. Not because of the memory consumption deal, that wasn't really a big issue (since it releases memory pretty effectively when a program demands it.) The issue is that it causes constant hard-drive grinding in my experience. It took me a while to figure out that's what was causing it; Superfetch is now disabled on my system and it has been smooth sailing since.

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#38 deactivated-61d84d87dcc8a
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Apple will probably address this issue by releasing their own little gaming console in the near future.

you just watch!!!

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I think whats funny about Pro-Mac users when they bring up the whole "Macs are better for graphic design" is that they can never actually detail out why thats the case.
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#40 OoSuperMarioO
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I think whats funny about Pro-Mac users when they bring up the whole "Macs are better for graphic design" is that they can never actually detail out why thats the case.XaosII
Your Boss request for Bounty paper towel but instead you bring him Charmin, what's the outcome?
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#41 XaosII
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]I think whats funny about Pro-Mac users when they bring up the whole "Macs are better for graphic design" is that they can never actually detail out why thats the case.OoSuperMarioO
Your Boss request for Bounty paper towel but instead you bring him Charmin, what's the outcome?

The job gets done with an adequate replacement?

Im hoping you picked paper towels due to a lack of a better analogy. In either case it doesnt answer why Macs are better for graphic design.

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#42 blackacidevl
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always felt that Macs are just like any other console, little or no upgrade ( $400 for a 8800gt that only works with SELECT macs?) and overpriced with the performance of a mid range PC. i was considering a mac when i was going to buy a laptop last year for school... but i remembered i can make the better choice, and get a HP for $500 that does what i need (school work / **** and not spend my whole broke ass college bank account on a mac that will prolly piss me the hell off in 2 months.
I always felt sorry for people who truely felt that macs are the best because they tend to be people who are too lazy to learn anything and are the same people who pay $500 to do a system recovery.
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#43 AdrianWerner
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WHy do I orefer PCs over Mac?

I'm a gamer. Mac gaming just can't compare to PC one obviously.
Mac hardware is overpriced and you bassicaly pay for brand, since Apple's switch to Intel Macs has lost the "it's better quality" advantage. A good PC hardware is now every bit as reliable as Apple one. Not to mention you do have far bigger choice in PC hardware than Mac one.
Macs are limiting in both hardware and software. Say what you want, but Windows is the only universal OS. Almsot everything you will buy (hardware and software) will work on it, sometimes you will have to spend some time on it, but it always will work.
This isn't such a huge problem in US or UK, but everywhere else? Macs are virtually non-existant in the world, majority of local software simply doesn't work on OSX or at best works like crap compared to Windows version. I'm a law student and I work part time as law firm. And software I need (Lex- a huge law database) is Windows only. Heck...here even making Macs work with internet connection is hard compared to Windows
Also...Deskop macs are horribly ugly :)

Now laptops are more recomendable choice than their deskops, but I still have chosen Thinkpad instead. Why? Well... as I already explained I prefer WIndows, sure you can do bootcamp, but why buy Mac then? Plus it's still not perfect and Macbooks heat up like hell when running Windows.
Most of the work I do on laptop is writing and in this area Macbooks fail big time. The keyboard is decent, but it's just not anywhere near comparable to Thinkpad one (which is just..well... a pure bliss for writing), Macbooks even in OSX heat up much more than Thinkpads which makes writing with laptop on your lap much worse. And most of all..Macbooks have that horrible, ablolutely solutely horrible edge. It might look nice, but resting wrists on it is a torture for long writing sessions. Absolute torture. I was once using Macbook for 10 hours of writing and I literaly got bruises from it. The design of Macbooks (keyboard, shape, heat) screams "screw energonomics, it has to look sleek".
THis coupled with better manufacturing quality of Thinkpads made me choose them over Macbooks (and to lesser degree over other PC laptops)
Now... what about the looks? Well..ff I would be buying laptop solely for it's looks it would be neither Thinkpad nor MAcbook, because they both look...well... preety boring, both Thinkpads and Macbooks have the same design phylisophy: extreme simplicity. But some people like simplicy. I personaly don't have anything against it. The only diffrence is the focus, while Macbooks have the "artsy simplicity" Thinkpads offer "business simplicity". And as I carry my laptop to law firm well...Macbooks have that a bit teenage hip look, it might be nice for some... but for law firm and court? It would be a bit like going there with white sport shoes.


Now why are Macs enjoying such crappy game support? Simple

Macs aren't popular, they have less than 4% of worldwide market and that much only because US with their +7% boosts the overall number and we know that US mostly plays on consoles. Also those Macs are often laptops and older models, both not exacly ideal for gaming.
Plus...Mac users just don't like games, the buy very few of them.

Simply put gaming on Mac isn't all that profitable for companies
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#44 Herrick
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Imagine you have been eating poop your whole life, then suddenly you started eating chocolate, it looks alike but its really so much better, don't be scared to try something new.gozalo

Hmm...a failed analogy but I'll respond anyway. Just because something is new, does not mean it's better. Anyways, it's really a moot point because I'll probably be playing games for years to come. I've been using a PC for so long with no problems that it would probably be more difficult to switch over to a Mac and get used to its OS. Just out of curiosity though, what are some of the genuine advantages Macs have over PCs? No need to mention security or stability since I don't have problems with those.

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Because everybody is developing in DirectX and ignoring OpenGL, which I think sucks since we are stuck with windows for gaming.