Why the #$@! is the Samsung LNS3251D still so expensive????

Websites still have it for $1000+ and retail stores that still carry them are selling it for $1199-1399.  WTF, and on top of that they're used floor models!  My budget is $850 and I've waited a whole year for this lcd to reach that price limit and it's still being sold for over a grand.  The sad thing is I see the LNT3253H models being sold for $1050, only $50 more than the older models.  Well I guess I'll just wait another whole year for the T3253H's to reach my budget limit. :cry: 

P.S. I've heard rumors about lcd's having major price drops this summer, is this true?

Samsung is introducing (finally) the LED flat panel television in its 81 series coming out this fall.  The technology supposedly eliminates all of the problems with LCD i.e. Motion blur, clouding and uneven backlighting, flashlighting, mura, pillaring, dead pixels (yeah right, I'll wait and see), banding, etc. etc. all while introducing contrast ratios of 100,000:1.  Effectively making LCD a dead technology.  They will continue to support LCD because LED is a new tech and bound to have countless problems of its own, LCD is definitely on the way out though.  As for a price drop?  I'm not sure.  Samsung has an entry level market right now (yes, 2k for a 40" 1080p LCD is entry level.)  I expect the price of their current LCD's to drop maybe 2-300 in the 40" and above class once the 71 series comes along, the 71 should retail at about 3000 for the 40" and 4000 for the 46".  Then, the 81 series will hit, the prices of the 71 will drop 2-300 and the 81 will retail at 4k for the 40" and 5000 for the 46" due to the new tech.

What does that mean for you?  Probably nothing, the price drops people are talking about are home theater LCD's, as in those above 46".  The 32" sets really have no reason to change because there is no technology worth putting in to them.  If Samsung decides to release an LNT-3271 and LNT-3281, then you will see massive pricedrops, but I doubt they would waste the technology on a size that can't use it properly.  It just doesn't make good business sense.

My advice to you would be to stop reading about LCD's, that's my problem, I bought a KDL-46XBR2 from Sony awhile back, it had a cloudy screen so I returned it and began reading...and here I am, 4 months later...no LCD...

Save up the extra cash and buy the LNT-3253H and don't look back. 

Samsung is introducing (finally) the LED flat panel television in its 81 series coming out this fall.  The technology supposedly eliminates all of the problems with LCD i.e. Motion blur, clouding and uneven backlighting, flashlighting, mura, pillaring, dead pixels (yeah right, I'll wait and see), banding, etc. etc. all while introducing contrast ratios of 100,000:1.  Effectively making LCD a dead technology.  They will continue to support LCD because LED is a new tech and bound to have countless problems of its own, LCD is definitely on the way out though.  As for a price drop?  I'm not sure.  Samsung has an entry level market right now (yes, 2k for a 40" 1080p LCD is entry level.)  I expect the price of their current LCD's to drop maybe 2-300 in the 40" and above class once the 71 series comes along, the 71 should retail at about 3000 for the 40" and 4000 for the 46".  Then, the 81 series will hit, the prices of the 71 will drop 2-300 and the 81 will retail at 4k for the 40" and 5000 for the 46" due to the new tech.

What does that mean for you?  Probably nothing, the price drops people are talking about are home theater LCD's, as in those above 46".  The 32" sets really have no reason to change because there is no technology worth putting in to them.  If Samsung decides to release an LNT-3271 and LNT-3281, then you will see massive pricedrops, but I doubt they would waste the technology on a size that can't use it properly.  It just doesn't make good business sense.

My advice to you would be to stop reading about LCD's, that's my problem, I bought a KDL-46XBR2 from Sony awhile back, it had a cloudy screen so I returned it and began reading...and here I am, 4 months later...no LCD...

Save up the extra cash and buy the LNT-3253H and don't look back. 

TheSystemLord1

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

Samsung is introducing (finally) the LED flat panel television in its 81 series coming out this fall.  The technology supposedly eliminates all of the problems with LCD i.e. Motion blur, clouding and uneven backlighting, flashlighting, mura, pillaring, dead pixels (yeah right, I'll wait and see), banding, etc. etc. all while introducing contrast ratios of 100,000:1.  Effectively making LCD a dead technology.  They will continue to support LCD because LED is a new tech and bound to have countless problems of its own, LCD is definitely on the way out though.  As for a price drop?  I'm not sure.  Samsung has an entry level market right now (yes, 2k for a 40" 1080p LCD is entry level.)  I expect the price of their current LCD's to drop maybe 2-300 in the 40" and above class once the 71 series comes along, the 71 should retail at about 3000 for the 40" and 4000 for the 46".  Then, the 81 series will hit, the prices of the 71 will drop 2-300 and the 81 will retail at 4k for the 40" and 5000 for the 46" due to the new tech.

What does that mean for you?  Probably nothing, the price drops people are talking about are home theater LCD's, as in those above 46".  The 32" sets really have no reason to change because there is no technology worth putting in to them.  If Samsung decides to release an LNT-3271 and LNT-3281, then you will see massive pricedrops, but I doubt they would waste the technology on a size that can't use it properly.  It just doesn't make good business sense.

My advice to you would be to stop reading about LCD's, that's my problem, I bought a KDL-46XBR2 from Sony awhile back, it had a cloudy screen so I returned it and began reading...and here I am, 4 months later...no LCD...

Save up the extra cash and buy the LNT-3253H and don't look back. 

smurfah15

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

Samsung is introducing (finally) the LED flat panel television in its 81 series coming out this fall. The technology supposedly eliminates all of the problems with LCD i.e. Motion blur, clouding and uneven backlighting, flashlighting, mura, pillaring, dead pixels (yeah right, I'll wait and see), banding, etc. etc. all while introducing contrast ratios of 100,000:1. Effectively making LCD a dead technology. They will continue to support LCD because LED is a new tech and bound to have countless problems of its own, LCD is definitely on the way out though. As for a price drop? I'm not sure. Samsung has an entry level market right now (yes, 2k for a 40" 1080p LCD is entry level.) I expect the price of their current LCD's to drop maybe 2-300 in the 40" and above class once the 71 series comes along, the 71 should retail at about 3000 for the 40" and 4000 for the 46". Then, the 81 series will hit, the prices of the 71 will drop 2-300 and the 81 will retail at 4k for the 40" and 5000 for the 46" due to the new tech.

What does that mean for you? Probably nothing, the price drops people are talking about are home theater LCD's, as in those above 46". The 32" sets really have no reason to change because there is no technology worth putting in to them. If Samsung decides to release an LNT-3271 and LNT-3281, then you will see massive pricedrops, but I doubt they would waste the technology on a size that can't use it properly. It just doesn't make good business sense.

My advice to you would be to stop reading about LCD's, that's my problem, I bought a KDL-46XBR2 from Sony awhile back, it had a cloudy screen so I returned it and began reading...and here I am, 4 months later...no LCD...

Save up the extra cash and buy the LNT-3253H and don't look back.

smurfah15

OLED is what Sony is pushing for their new technology. Imagine a TV that you can more or less roll up like a poster and you have OLED. Word from Sony board meetings is that they have shown screens somewhere in the 40"-50" range that were brought in to the room in a poster case lol. It is made from organic compounds instead of mechanical parts so naturally, lifespan is the major issue there. OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode. As in these things do not need a backlight, therefore making them more energy efficient and cost efficient, sort of the "Enviromentalist's HDTV" if you will. The first OLED screen is coming out later this year, it is 11" and supposedly retailing at or around $10,000 (don't quote me on the price).

LED is a tiny semi-conducting device that emits light when powered on. It is more energy efficient than LCD, and capable of displaying colors without the use of filters. To make red/orange, an LCD has to mix colors and produce the best red/orange it possibly can, well, in theory, an LED would be able to just display red/orange without the use of filters and mixing. therefore making the color more vibrant.

Both are new display technologies. I wouldn't call LED an evolution of LCD because it is being created to counteract every problem present in LCD technology today, as well as offer a better picture.

Correct me if you think I'm wrong on anything there, I love this stuff. 

Long story short

LED is a far more constant, non-fading source of light, that when combined with an iris produces excellent black levels.

It does not solve any of the inherent problems with LCD outside of that range, and all those LED TVs are still LCD for the actual screen.

Me, I was looking at the LCD, but the new LED DLP sets are mighty attractive to me right now.

Long story short

LED is a far more constant, non-fading source of light, that when combined with an iris produces excellent black levels.

It does not solve any of the inherent problems with LCD outside of that range, and all those LED TVs are still LCD for the actual screen.

Me, I was looking at the LCD, but the new LED DLP sets are mighty attractive to me right now.

Kodai_kun

Really? The way people talk about LED you'd think it was the second coming of Jesus Christ himself...

So you expect the same issues to be there?

And you're right about those DLP's, they do look great, not AS much image darkening off-angle, but its still there. 

Really? The way people talk about LED you'd think it was the second coming of Jesus Christ himself...

So you expect the same issues to be there?

It's still an LCD panel. You're seeing greatly improved and dynamic backlighting to greatly increase black levels. That's what the LEDs do. You see the precursor in this year's dynamic irises that tripled the contrast ratio. The LEDs will be able to be zoned and dimmed, further helping the contrast.

Cheapest I saw was $895 at B&H, but they do have a demo unit for $795:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/490301-DEMO/Samsung_LNS3251D_LN_S3251D_32_LCD_TV.html

They seem to be a top notch seller, just look at their ratings:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/B_H_Photo_Video_Pro_Audio

If you can afford $1,079 shipped no tax on the newer LNT3253H model, , you can get that here, another top notch seller:
http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=87207#

Long shot, but Vanns.com, a great seller too, has the S4051D refurbishied for $959 shipped no tax. Has full warranty, just happens to be sold as is, serviced, and a customer return. (They a chain of stores in Montana) http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/462999953

According to Wired Magazine, LCD prices have hit bottom.

I own a samsung lns3251d and have had absolutely no problems with it.  This was also the rare case where the price actually increased after I bought it. It was a pleasant surprise after years of purchasing other technology.

It's plateau'd for now, that's correct

But a few more plants are coming online, there's going to be some major Christmas discounts this year.

It's plateau'd for now, that's correct

But a few more plants are coming online, there's going to be some major Christmas discounts this year.

Kodai_kun

You talkin gen 7 plants?  Here's hoping they bypass Sharp's be-all/end-all Gen 8 plant's problems... 

According to Wired Magazine, LCD prices have hit bottom.

I own a samsung lns3251d and have had absolutely no problems with it. This was also the rare case where the price actually increased after I bought it. It was a pleasant surprise after years of purchasing other technology.

djphelps

I still remember to this day, looking on Amazon and seeing the LNT-4665F sitting there for $2010.95 Sold new from Amazon.  I thought I'd wait for it to hit 1900, the next day it was up to 2400. 

I'm just talking production capacity in general.

And any new technology has its problems on startup. Look at the blu-ray diodes, it took them about 6 months to get cranking on them, but now they're pouring out like water and the price on them has essentially halved

I've researched this stuff months ago I know what it's all about lol, its about time they get those crappy lcds off the market . as far as I know the blue diodes in these things burn out quick which is it's only draw back for now. and even though sony is pushing it , samsung will hopefully come out on top

I've researched this stuff months ago I know what it's all about lol, its about time they get those crappy lcds off the market . as far as I know the blue diodes in these things burn out quick which is it's only draw back for now. and even though sony is pushing it , samsung will hopefully come out on top

What blue diodes in LCDs? The ones they're using in the TVs are rated somewhere from 20,000 to 60,000 hours(depending on who you ask) The cold cathodes they're using right now are rated in the 40-60,000 hour range.

Sony and Samusng are allied with their LCD panel manufacturing....

I haven't seen a single report of any of the blu-ray or HD-DVD blue diodes burning out.

I think you need to do some more research......